Gross, very TMI type question

[Zhaylin]

This topic is the last sort that anyone would want to read or reply to lol, but I'm seriously starting to wonder if I should finally see a doctor about a problem I've had all my life. It concerns bowel movements When I was a kid up until I had my first kid at the age of 18, I always squatted on the toilet seat to have a bowel movement. After one particularly harsh time try, in desperation, I placed my thumb just inside my vagina to press down on the wall to my bowels and it worked like a charm. Believe me, this is embarrassing to even type about let alone *speak* to someone about, so I've never mentioned it to anyone except two people. One was my bestfriend and the other my hubby. Hubby was concerned I'd puncture the wall and create all sorts of trouble and infection for myself. But it's not happened yet and I doubt it ever will. But it's about the only way I can have a BM. My keigel muscles are extraordinary. I can push my hubby out of me when we're making love, so I DO have muscle control. But are they separate muscles? And how can I have toned one set so well but have the other lacking to an extreme? I don't have this problem with just constipation, but with almost all BM's. Should I see a doctor about it or just be content that such is the way my body operates?

[Man of Steel]

You should see a doctor.

[Specialis Sapientia]

Hi, just did some reading about this. I found this guide and sympton checker, I checked it out and it seems to be a very good one! Try it out, and see what it comes up with. http://symptomchecker.about.com/od/w...oninadults.htm

[hellohihello]

This has happened to me once, I literally could not use my muscles I normally use. This went on for five days. I do think they are separate muscles though I am no expert. I would try to talk to a gynecologist.

[Catbus]

You should see a doctor. I agree with MoS, a visit to the doctor would couldn't hurt.

[Zhaylin]

Thanks everyone. And thank you, Specialis for the link. *blah* I guess I shall make an apointment on Monday. But if they want to do a colonospacy (sp!) I'm out of there lol. My hubby doesn't trust the local hospital and swears several people die every year from having that exam. He tends to exaggerate but I ain't taking no chances

[Mes Tarrant]

Yeah see a doc. About the separate muscles thing... I think they're the same as some of the muscles in your vagina, but not necessarily the keigel ones. Bah I'm talking out of my ass but what I do know is THIS: That very often when women give birth, they also take a dump, because the same muscles are used.

[magical mike]

See doctor... I don't really know what your talking about, seeing as I don't have a vaj. But I knew someone who had to do the same thing. Surprised there are no hand shaking jokes.

[Goldney]

That very often when women give birth, they also take a dump, because the same muscles are used. Not true. It's because when the baby is being born its head pushes against the colon, this is what causes women to poop themselves when giving birth, not muscle groups.

[Man of Steel]

Goldney is correct yet again. Also, Kiegel muscles are used in urination, not defecation.

[Zhaylin]

ROFL Mike! Handwashing should always be a MUST for everyone no matter the method Kiegels are used for more than peeing. In fact, a lot of women are unaware of the muscles unless they need to STOP peeing midstream, and some can't even do that. I was always unusually attuned to my body and I thought everyone used Kiegels all the time. I'd get bored or tense at school and tighten and release each of my muscles gradually, it was second nature. It wasn't until I got pregnant with my first kid that I realized kiegels for what they were and I was dumbfounded that it wasn't as widely known as I had believed. Kiegels are *supposed* to highten the pleasure of intercourse for both the woman and the man because the woman can tighten, relax, and push the vaginal wall at will. It does nothing for me but my hubby enjoys it. Urinary muscles might be connected or linked to kiegels but to me they're entirely separate things. Along with BM troubles, I've always had some slight peeing difficulties as well. Because my body is almost always in a partial state of dehydration and I live off of soda, I form what I call "kidney sand". It's not formed enough to be called a "kidney stone" nor is it as painful (I imagine). And then my urethra becomes slightly inflamed and *completely* emptying my bladder is difficult. By focusing on and contracting a muscle at the front/upper pubic area to lower stomach I can help the process along. Kiegels, in my mind, are entirely focused on the vaginal area itself but tightening them tightens the butt as well which is why I wondered if the muscles were one and the same. I don't know if the muscle is called something different for men, but they can control theirs as well and make their member "dance" when erect. I've only known one guy who could actually do that though And now I'm blushing and retiring to some PG gaming for a while.......

[Mes Tarrant]

Well. Goes to show what I remember from college. Spare change? Spare change, anyone?

[Specialis Sapientia]

Dehydration, that is one of the most common issues for constipation, and thus making you "do that thing". Do you drink enough water? In most cases the problem can be solved with a lot of water and a high-fiber diet.

[[SomeGuy]]

Or you could eat a hella bunch of raisin bran. Does wonders for me. I do it all the time.

[Zhaylin]

I'll try a switch in my diet for a week and see if there's any improvement. My diet totally sucks though and I don't see it ever improving, so maybe I'll try some fiber mix or pills. Does anyone know if fiber is bad for deuodenitis or gallstones/gallbladder? My diet sucks, in part, because there's little I can actually eat that agrees with me.

[[SomeGuy]]

Definatly drink a hella bunch of water and rasin bran. Be careful though...raisin bran for me is like the Manhattan Project for my ass. I can't even go into how much came out that one time...I had constapation. Raisin Bran helped. As for the fiber part, womenshealth.about.com said: People who may be at risk for developing gallstones may want to try modifying their diet to decrease their risk. The amount of dietary fiber consumed is an important therapy for gallstones that is often overlooked. Gallstones may be prevented by increasing consumption of both soluble and insoluble fiber which reduces the absorption of deoxycholic acid by producing a favorable shift in the triad of factors that control cholesterol's solubility in bile. Go for it. Buy a few boxes, put in a DVD, and chew. Take a day off from work.

[Zhaylin]

A million thanks for the info. Sounds like lots of fun I have Court tomorrow, so I'll start on Tuesday...

[[SomeGuy]]

Alright. What's the court for? Suing you for thinking pain helps you think ? (I didn't forget) And yes, the Raisin Bran treatment is fun when you have nothing else to do. Beware of the fumes.

[Zhaylin]

ROFL! I didn't get what you said until I read the parenthesis Court is about trying to get my kids back. Tomorrow SHOULD be the day things finally become more official (the start of parenting classes etc). But my kids lawyer better not start his passive agressiveness with me or I swear I'll go postal. The RV is not going to be a pleasant place in a couple days with the fumes and all I'll definitely be turning on the fans and taking care not to light any matches. On the good side... I love Raisin Bran. I don't know why I don't buy it.

[[SomeGuy]]

Well, I will never forget that, and I wont let you forget it either. Everytime I get a chance, I'ma bust that one out lol. Re: Raisin Bran I love it too...I don't love what comes out after, but I love what goes in. It's like that with most things. Unless what comes out goes in, then that won't do it for me. I'm not like that. I'm going to stop talking now.

[Zhaylin]

ROFL! I've felt like disappearing from this thread the moment I started it I'm a lazy eater. I hate taking the time and I'm horrible when it comes to dishes, so I'd rather not bother. I also have a small fridge that can't a gallon of milk and if my cereal's been open for a week I throw it away. *rolls eyes at self*

[[SomeGuy]]

Lulz Woah check this out: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot_adaptSpiral/index.html Oh, and I just jacked the thread. Topic...changed.

[Zhaylin]

I will not resist being jacked... in fact, I thank you most kindly That is a very cool illusion!

[[SomeGuy]]

I will not resist being jacked... in fact, I thank you most kindly That is a very cool illusion! Woah lulz

[Zhaylin]

errr.... what I wrote does sound strange in that context lol! I was merely thanking you, in my sleep deprived adleness, for changing the topic And as for the illusions, I looked through several pages and many of them were pretty neat. I added it to my bookmarks for future vegetative sessions