Zeo Sleep Manager?

**randomthing** · 06-28-2012 02:50 PM

Has anyone used this to monitor your sleep patterns? I was surprised to see nothing at all show up when I searched these forums for "zeo".

Seems like it could be useful for timing a WBTB or some other technique, though maybe not for directly inducing a lucid.

I saw the clip on their website with Anderson Cooper giving it a test run, looks pretty interesting (though expensive!).

**Goldenspark** · 07-28-2012 01:31 PM

Hi randomthing, even though your post is now a month old I thought I'd answer it! I've been using the Zeo mobile for about 3 weeks now. I'm very impressed. It's certainly worth the money.

**randomthing** · 07-30-2012 07:52 PM

I got the mobile one and I find it pretty fascinating to track my sleep (unless the *!*$* headband falls off), and what affects it. I haven't tried to use it for any LD induction. I keep hoping someone will develop an app that wakes or triggers something when you are in REM.

**Goldenspark** · 07-31-2012 08:58 PM

I guess you've heard of the" Lucid Dreaming App" for Android by Alexander Stone? That's the reason I bought the Zeo in the first place. His app uses motion and sound sensors in your phone to track your sleep patterns. It also has some special wake alarm features that allow you to try WILD, wbtb etc.. He claims to have integrated the Zeo status into the app, but I'm not sure how well that works. I used his app without the Zeo for a while, then got the Zeo and tried using the two together. More lately I've been using just the Zeo. The problem with Alexander's app is that it's not finished, has a few bugs and he is no longer developping it - such a shame.

What I have learned is that becoming Lucid still needs skill and perseverence to work. I have only recently had my first Lucid experience. Although it was very brief and un-remarkable, it's give me an insight into what it means.

I don't think that simply being woken within REM will give you an LD - I suspect you will just wake out of it. You might get a brief glimpse, but stabilising seems to be something you have to learn as far as I can tell.

What the app and Zeo have done is make it easier for me to recall my dreams. I now tend to remember more than one dream a night.

I have tried this with Zeo. Set up a smartwake alarm for about 4-5 a.m. but set it to turn off if un-attended at 0 minutes. That way the alarm doesn't sound but the phone will vibrate briefly. The alrm and vibrate don't keep going if you do that. It means it can just bring you out without having to wake up completely and switch off the alarm. Should be better for a DEILD. I need to learn not to open my eyes when I wake, so no luck yet with a DEILD.