Galantamine/Huperzine A/Donezepil questions

**Noeboe** · 08-13-2013 08:52 AM

Hi guys!

This is my first post here. I got a few questions regarding Galantamine, Donzepil and Huperzine a. I've been using Galantamine (4mg) with Choline (350mg) and Alpha GPC (1 Teaspoon)for a few nights now. Two times with 6 days in between, I was very pleased with the results. A nice warm buzz while falling back a sleep, nice hypnagogic images of doors opening and an OBE where I was in my room and tripped, and decided to hurry back to my body. It wasn't that conscious, but I do remember it happening. I didn't really make the decision of going back to my body myself, it just happened. I've also tried G+C+GPC, 48 hours after an earlier G+C+GPC attempt. I did use 2400 mg of Piracetam right after that attempt, but I'm not to pleased with the results. The dreams were very long and vivid, but no lucidity.
Yes, I do practice MILD, WBTB, WILD and meditation wich gave me 2 DILDS.

I would like to experiment with supplements on thursdays (Donezepil), fridays (G+C+GPC) and saterdays (Huperzin A) 'cause I'll be free the next day. My main questions are:

1. Is it possible to take Huperzine A the night after you took G+C+GPC? (Since you can't take G because of desensitization).
2. Is it possible to take Donezepil the night after you took Huperzine A? I know it's possible, but can you still take advantage of it's full effects?

Thanks in advance for any helpful responses! And please, I read so much about people telling other people on the forum to do it without supplements, please don't bother since I've been trying it without supplements for a few years now without good results.

**Aleen1** · 09-04-2014 12:28 PM

Hry,

unfortunately this thread is quite old, but I want to put it back to life. I'´m quite new in this forum and i would like to know if somebody has more experiences with huperzin a.

I'm from Germany -so please excuse my bad english.

As huperzin is legal in germany, I gave it a try and I had 3 lucid dreams on 5 days! That was a great experience for me but I wonder how to avoid building up a tolerance againt huperzin.

From Galantamin it is said that one shouldn't use it more often than once a week because of the building up a tolerance. Galantamin is illegal in germany without prescription- so I am focused on the use of huperzine.

In the book of Yushak he recommends piracetam to avoid tolerance. In germany you cannot get piracetam without prescirption either.

So- has anyone expericences with the frequent use of huperzin? Did anyone notice building up a tolerance? How did you avoid it? How many days between the use of huperzine did you take to avoid tolerance?

I 'm really looking forward to your answers!

**Voldmer** · 09-04-2014 12:53 PM

I use Huperzine (200 micrograms) once every five nights. The effects are rather consistent from time to time (probability of lucidity lies around 60-70%); tolerance does not seem to build up. I have not tried using it more often (it's one of my two "almost sure thing" means of attaining lucidity, the other being phenibut, and I don't want to risk loosing the effect).

**Aleen1** · 09-04-2014 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Voldmer

I use Huperzine (200 micrograms) once every five nights. The effects are rather consistent from time to time (probability of lucidity lies around 60-70%); tolerance does not seem to build up. I have not tried using it more often (it's one of my two "almost sure thing" means of attaining lucidity, the other being phenibut, and I don't want to risk loosing the effect).

Thank you for your answer. Greetings to Denmark

How does phenibut work? I have never heard of it before

**Voldmer** · 09-04-2014 09:20 PM

Phenibut is a pharmaceutically designed drug to lessen anxiety. It also works as a sleep aid (but rather slowly; I have to take it 90 minutes before bedtime). I got hold of it to lessen my perceived anxiety with respect to out-of-body expeditions. Well, that doesn't work! It puts me to sleep instead.

But this sleep is perfect for lucid dreaming - because it is very stable.

**snoop** · 09-09-2014 03:02 AM

Phenibut is related to GHB, and so it works on GABA receptors. That supports the idea behind your usage of it for sleep, Voldmer, and will likely help you the same assuming you use it Aleen1.

**Aleen1** · 09-09-2014 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Phenibut is related to GHB, and so it works on GABA receptors. That supports the idea behind your usage of it for sleep, Voldmer, and will likely help you the same assuming you use it Aleen1.

Hm. So phenibut is rather a sleeping aid? Actually I have a healthy sleep anyway but I'm looking for a triggering Supplement. Phenibut seems to be not a trigger than an aid to fall asleep...right?

In some forums it is said that phenibut is causing an addiction very likely. What are your experiences?

Another question: to avoid tolerance against huperzin/galantamin it is said that piracetam could avoid your Rezeptors getting to much tolerance against acetylcholine. Is there any possible alternative for piracetam?

**Voldmer** · 09-10-2014 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Aleen1

Hm. So phenibut is rather a sleeping aid? Actually I have a healthy sleep anyway but I'm looking for a triggering Supplement. Phenibut seems to be not a trigger than an aid to fall asleep...right?

In some forums it is said that phenibut is causing an addiction very likely. What are your experiences?

Phenibut does not act as a lucidity "trigger" for me, but it ensures a deep, long-lasting, restful sleep in which lucid dreams tend to be more stable than they otherwise are.

Apparently, phenibut causes tolerance to build up quite rapidly, and for this reason it is generally suggested not to use it daily. Personally, I use it once every five days, and tolerance has never built up over the 8 months or so, during which I have used it. Maybe twice a week will work also, but I wouldn't push it towards the limit.

Huperzine A is a "lucidity trigger" for me, and a combination of vitamin B6 and L-tyrosine has a similar effect, although not nearly as pronounced.

**Aleen1** · 09-12-2014 10:17 PM

Thanks Voldemer for your answers. I don't dare to use Phenibut but last night I tried a mixture of L-aspartic acid, theanine and glutamine. It worked, I had a short LD. I will give it another try in a few days.

PS: You seem to have a lot expericence in LD. May I ask how old you are?

**Voldmer** · 09-14-2014 03:52 PM

I'm 48 years old, and for the most part in my life I have not paid attention to my dreams. Compared to some of the "real pros" around here (look around DreamViews, there are quite a few with extensive lucid dreaming experience), I'm a relative newcomer. I started lucid dreaming a little less than two years ago, and most of my 121 LDs have been quite brief (although a few have been mindblowing). I aim to lucid dream on demand, but that target is still far away. Will get there though.

**Tornado Joe** · 11-18-2014 07:25 PM

Greetings, everyone- I've been away from Dreamviews for a few years but am hoping to regain some of my LD abilities I've been missing.

Aleen1, I am curious: do you know why Galantamine is not legal in Germany? I find it strange that something that is over-the-counter here in the US can be banned over in Europe (usually it's the other way around!)

thanks!

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