Maybe I Can Aid You!

[really]

Hey all, I was wondering... I'd like to make some music for the community! We will design and make one music track (or more if you like it) to help you attain lucidity. Basically, you can help me design and make it, simply by posting here on: Whether you want the following in them: Brain waves Auto suggestion (formed by 'Text to Speech&#39 Beat/drums (no beat means smoother ambient music) Linear mix or progressivly scrambling. Meaning if you want a normal music compostion, or one which becomes distorted toward the end. (That idea was developed to induce the feeling of dream sounds and random HI that you feel before sleep.) It might sound bad, but it sounds quite nice. I will make this on the design what most members post, meaning, majority rules. Basically, you will end up with low tempo track, which might induce trance and intense relaxation. You might hear autosuggestion and lucid inducing words. It will be made to be listened to before sleep, i.e. in bed (or after WBTB). Headphones will be more effective, as always. Please let me know what you think.

[Gabi]

I like the idea, it's great. I play bass and I've compossed something, I could help you a little. The track should be so long enough that let you get asleep. How long takes you to get asleep? And we can share different samples (relaxing and soft ones) to make a relaxing and dream atmosfere. About the brain waves, the BrainWave generator could be used. I think is the best free program for this, I really haven't tried to create some personal preset, but I took a look at the menus and seems easy and complete. Oh! And do you know any good soft of "Text-to-speech"? The ones I've seen sounds a little... robotic, I think some people may find it a bit "uncomfortable". If not, even Microsoft Sam could be used, hehe. The tempo should be slow to relax. Maybe 60 bpm or less? And if some beat/drums are going to be used, I would choose to make them similar to slow heart-beats. Which program are you going to use? Maybe we can share files while they are being done. If samples are going to be used I'd suggest Fruity Loops (but just an idea )

[really]

Thank you so much for posting, I'm glad you're interested! The track should be so long enough that let you get asleep. How long takes you to get asleep? And we can share different samples (relaxing and soft ones) to make a relaxing and dream atmosfere. [/b] It depends on what I have done during the day, but most of the time when I try to go to sleep it takes me 10-15 minutes. I have thousands of loops and samples within several genres; high quality too, including many relaxing pads. About the brain waves, the BrainWave generator could be used. I think is the best free program for this, I really haven't tried to create some personal preset, but I took a look at the menus and seems easy and complete.[/b] I have this program. I can use the pure tones from that, or I can try making the entire song a brainwave, meaning that I can try to make the whole song regardless of the sound texture, have a difference between left and right channels of 4hz for example. Oh! And do you know any good soft of "Text-to-speech"? The ones I've seen sounds a little... robotic, I think some people may find it a bit "uncomfortable". If not, even Microsoft Sam could be used, hehe. [/b] I have a built-in text to speech in my music program, with quality settings and three different voices (including MS Sam). It sounds a little robotic, but it becomes easy to get used to, and is clever in many ways of speech. The tempo should be slow to relax. Maybe 60 bpm or less? And if some beat/drums are going to be used, I would choose to make them similar to slow heart-beats. [/b] The Ambient tempo I use is 80bpm (as the loops/samples are), but I can make it lower, or make it gradually slow down with the music (unnoticably). I can do the heartbeats, but maybe not to be exactly like them. Which program are you going to use? Maybe we can share files while they are being done. If samples are going to be used I'd suggest Fruity Loops (but just an idea ) [/b] I use MAGIX Music Maker, it's a great multimedia program, and it's what I use my loops/sounds and 'Text To Speech' for. It also has a few good synthesizers that I can use for further creativity, such as custom notation and rhythms, but I may be able to implement that into the pre-made sounds/loops. We might be able to share files if we need to. Also, about the scrambling idea-if you want to fall asleep listening to this, do you think I should use it? Please let me know what you think! One problem: I need somewhere/ a site to quickly upload the(se) file(s), otherwise I may have to email it to anyone who wants it! Thanks for your time Gabi.

[Roryflyguy]

Maybe Photobucket for the files... Nice idea.. what instruments would you have in it tho? :/ hmmm.....

[Gabi]

I like the scrambling idea, it could be so useful. It's great cause if you sometime have tried to sleep while listening to some music, you find that happens something similar, the sound begins to sound "distorted" or something similar and could be so suggesting. I'm gonna have a look at the Magix Audio Studio and see if I can get it, I'd like to share the developing of the file. I will try to find out some kind of Fruity Loops and Magix converter, I have some interesting pads I'd like to use too Oh! and I would like to hear the whole song as a brainwave, is really unnoticably? For the files... what about rapidshare.com? You can upload all the files you want (each one inferior or equal to 100 Mb) They aren't removed from the server unless they aren't downloaded for 45 days or similar (easy to keep there, hehe) Roryflyguy, all the instruments one can find if they fit in There are lots of syntethyzers with relaxing and strange sounds that could help to create the ambience.

[Roryflyguy]

Cool... www.rapidshare.com, is that it? hmmm, what about some plain generared tones aswell? they do sound nice... ooh, also, White noise maybe? what did you have in mind for relaxing sounds?

[really]

Hey Roryflyguy, I'd/we'd use any instrument that would best benefit relaxation and dreamy/mystic feel. Most of these sounds may not be produced by real instruments, but if so, may be distorted a little. And I don't need photobucket thanks, I think that's image/video hosting only. I can put white noise and pure tones in there if you like. I will actually, especially bass. Sine waves are the smoothest so I will use some of them. I'm gonna have a look at the Magix Audio Studio and see if I can get it, I'd like to share the developing of the file. I will try to find out some kind of Fruity Loops and Magix converter, I have some interesting pads I'd like to use too Oh! and I would like to hear the whole song as a brainwave, is really unnoticably? [/b] I have that program (Magix Audio Studio ) too! I can tell you about it - PM me about it first if you want! But we will not be able to share the project file because I am using Magix Music Maker 2005 (newer up-to-date version is Magix Music Maker 11), not Audio Studio. And because the project file needs all the resources to load (I.e. samples, synth, sounds, etc.), you will need to have them all too! However, if you mean otherwise that you use Audio Studio/etc for synthesizing a sound(s) from the song, I can send you the sound(s), and then you can do what you like with it, and send it back. Is that what you had in mind? What's Fruity Loops? Why the Magix conversion? The brainwave idea for the whole song/sound - I haven't tried yet, but I have some very good pitch editing programs that I believe can achieve this. For the files... what about rapidshare.com? You can upload all the files you want (each one inferior or equal to 100 Mb) They aren't removed from the server unless they aren't downloaded for 45 days or similar (easy to keep there, hehe) [/b] Alright cool thanks!! By the way, most of the loops/samples are from Magix-royalty free loops and sounds. I can still make some of my own from scratch though.

[Roryflyguy]

Meh Id just used photobucket at the time... Imn working on a smooth strings thing now

[Gabi]

Well, so we will keep on touch I like the idea. When you begin to upload first versions just tell me so I can download it and listen and, even, add something too. Maybe I'll begin "my own" track too, I'll tell as soon as I have something. Maybe I'll ask you something about the Magix tools, I like music and I have never heard about them before Specially by the text-to-speech, hehe

[SKA]

Hey all, I was wondering... I'd like to make some music for the community! We will design and make one music track (or more if you like it) to help you attain lucidity. Basically, you can help me design and make it, simply by posting here on: Whether you want the following in them: Brain waves Auto suggestion (formed by 'Text to Speech&#39 Beat/drums (no beat means smoother ambient music) Linear mix or progressivly scrambling. Meaning if you want a normal music compostion, or one which becomes distorted toward the end. (That idea was developed to induce the feeling of dream sounds and random HI that you feel before sleep.) It might sound bad, but it sounds quite nice. I will make this on the design what most members post, meaning, majority rules. Basically, you will end up with low tempo track, which might induce trance and intense relaxation. You might hear autosuggestion and lucid inducing words. It will be made to be listened to before sleep, i.e. in bed (or after WBTB). Headphones will be more effective, as always. Please let me know what you think. [/b] Well actually I remember posting a Topic just like this one some 4 months ago if not longer. However I couldn't find it using the search Option of this forum. It was named ''Calling all Musicians'' I'm sure some of the older members here will remember. And that Topic was more based around ''How can we make Music Together each adding their own sounds to the piece of Ambient music, with Binearal Beats mixed in..etc Well anyhow, untill it's found, I can offer you: -Piano( Synthesizer ) -Guitar(In-plugable Accoustic with a Mic inside) -Vocals So how about that? And can someone find my ancient Topic named ''Calling All musicians''? Where'd it go?

[really]

Imn working on a smooth strings thing now [/b] What? Thanks, but how? I haven't even started yet - we don't have an agreed pitch, tempo, chords yet! Gabi, good stuff! And SKA, I found it! http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...=35399&st=0 If you had trouble searching for it you should have clicked "View Your Posts" because you are in it . Hey thanks for the offers, I like your ideas, though if you want to do vocals I wanted to post a script or somthing/lyrics first. But I wanted to discuss that too - I think it should be more than just autosuggestion, it should be a little hypnotic, maybe a short passage on convincing the listener on what lucid dreaming is and how you can achieve it. Well, I'll see what you guys think first.

[Gabi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SKA &#064; Dec 31 2006, 11&#58;30 PM)</div> And that Topic was more based around &#39;&#39;How can we make Music Together each adding their own sounds to the piece of Ambient music, with Binearal Beats mixed in..etc[/b] The only way I know how to do that is sharing the files using the same soft or uploading every version of the file so anyone could add or modify it anyway and then uploading again (as a new version) Could sound hard but it works Tested in some music collaboration webs. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(really &#064; Dec 23 2006, 11&#58;30 AM)</div> Gabi, good stuff&#33; [/b] Thanks <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(really &#064; Dec 23 2006, 11&#58;30 AM)</div> Hey thanks for the offers, I like your ideas, though if you want to do vocals I wanted to post a script or somthing/lyrics first. But I wanted to discuss that too - I think it should be more than just autosuggestion, it should be a little hypnotic, maybe a short passage on convincing the listener on what lucid dreaming is and how you can achieve it. [/b] Well, you know, autosuggestion is a kind of hypnosis But yes, I think we need first a script, hehe. Maybe when this get started we could make a web outside here for the ones that could be collaborating controlling versions and sharing all the stuff and not flaming too much here, only when something is useful so people can download and test it, what about this? I&#39;ll begin soon with the script (at least the main idea)

[really]

Ok, cool. Everyone, thanks for your help. Well I'm going to get started on the main sequences, I'll post the chords and basslines soon to get started. And, wouldn't emailing the mixes be easier? Or is that slower, I'm not sure... I guess not, websites might offer different download qualities on the spot.

[Roryflyguy]

Bleh, i like strings... Maybe they can go in the background anyway... Hmm So, whats the tempo going to be? and the beat? Someone do a beat, and well base it on that hey?

[really]

Bleh, i like strings... Maybe they can go in the background anyway... [/b] Well I like strings too, but there's no point putting them in regardless of their tune. It would sound horrible. So that's why I need to tell you (all of you) the main tune/chord(s) I am using. Or, bass lines. Here: The main (bass) notes are E, A, and B (So far. I will update it as I go.). Try experimenting and get some good tunes out of those three notes, no matter what octave. So, whats the tempo going to be? and the beat? Someone do a beat, and well base it on that hey? [/b] I have decided the tempo should be 80bpm. But I will slow it down toward the end of the piece for better effect. So, what do you guys have in mind? This is just a start.

[Gabi]

Well, better than three notes it would be better to tell the scale or the chords of the main notes. As I can see it looks like an Am scale. I find 80 bpm a good tempo (and good idea slowing it at the end) I would suggest to use echo and reverb. Fist delay and then expanding the reverb time until getting a good echo, and every time deeper. I think it would be better (using a scale, of course) to decide the measures the chords should be.

[really]

Well, better than three notes it would be better to tell the scale or the chords of the main notes. As I can see it looks like an Am scale. I find 80 bpm a good tempo (and good idea slowing it at the end) I would suggest to use echo and reverb. Fist delay and then expanding the reverb time until getting a good echo, and every time deeper. I think it would be better (using a scale, of course) to decide the measures the chords should be. [/b] Yeah sorry I don't know much about chords/scales and what they are named. That's my weakness, I need to learn about them. But I think your'e right anyhow, yes - Am. And what do you mean by: "I think it would be better (using a scale, of course) to decide the measures the chords should be."? Are you talking about something related to tempo (and chords)? I might have a few more chords, but most of the time I mix music with the one scale/chord, and it sounds fine (probably because of the instruments and harmonies). I like the reverb idea, but I'd narrow it down, I mean, I wouldn't apply reverb to the whole song/all sounds. Just a few or more, where nessessary. Thanks, another thing, are you deciding on a script or do you want me to do that? And SKA and Roryflyguy, what do you think?

[Gabi]

Yeah sorry I don't know much about chords/scales and what they are named. That's my weakness, I need to learn about them. But I think your'e right anyhow, yes - Am. [/b] No problem if we all work together And what do you mean by: "I think it would be better (using a scale, of course) to decide the measures the chords should be."? Are you talking about something related to tempo (and chords)? [/b] The score, indicating what chordas are in what measures (harmony score maybe?) Thanks, another thing, are you deciding on a script or do you want me to do that? [/b] Try it Working all together would be easy, but someone has to make something first, if you are volunteer... if not, I could give a try, but I'm not english native so my english... is good but I think I couldn't be hipnotic

[really]

Ok cool, I'll have a brief score in a few days, and some more ideas on lyrics to come!

[really]

Alright. We're going to be sticking with two chords/scales: F and Am. It's pretty simple, I hope I'm saying it right, Am - for two bars, then F for two bars. Experiment. The score won't be a huge problem, it only has two chords right? And at 4/4 at 80bpm. That's the notes: E A and B. And C F and A. The lyrics I was thinking could basically start with a couple of minutes introduction - talking about what and how lucid dreaming is. Then it can pan into autosuggestion, and tips for confidence, and possibly end unnoticably, hopefully with the idea left in mind. So members of this topic, please tell me what you think, and what you think you can do.

[really]

Oh, come on guys! Where did you all go? Please don't forget about this topic!

[Gabi]

The lyrics I was thinking could basically start with a couple of minutes introduction - talking about what and how lucid dreaming is. Then it can pan into autosuggestion, and tips for confidence, and possibly end unnoticably, hopefully with the idea left in mind. [/b] And what about without introduction? We know what we want if we are listening to the track I would start first with some guided relaxation and then some of the hypnotic technics. Of course I would add some extra "noises" for keep the listener "awake" and not fall asleep in the first moments, forgetting all. Alright. We're going to be sticking with two chords/scales: F and Am. It's pretty simple, I hope I'm saying it right, Am - for two bars, then F for two bars. Experiment. The score won't be a huge problem, it only has two chords right? And at 4/4 at 80bpm[/b] Well, chords are choosen from a scale, and every chord has a scale associated (don't know how to say in english, modal scale maybe) But this is not a music related topic so ok Maybe if we find it too repetitive we can change the scale in the middle of the song so it sound a little more chromatic and thus, less repetitive but this later, hehe PS: Sorry for being late answering, PC problems.

[really]

And what about without introduction? We know what we want if we are listening to the track I would start first with some guided relaxation and then some of the hypnotic technics. Of course I would add some extra "noises" for keep the listener "awake" and not fall asleep in the first moments, forgetting all. Well, chords are choosen from a scale, and every chord has a scale associated (don't know how to say in english, modal scale maybe) But this is not a music related topic so ok Maybe if we find it too repetitive we can change the scale in the middle of the song so it sound a little more chromatic and thus, less repetitive but this later, hehe [/b] Well what do you think about the introduciton if it tells you of the nature of lucid dreaming, to give you confidence. Like, "this is all it is" stuff,you know what I mean? And don't you think repetative music would be better because it is more successful to put you in trance? I find almost every hypnotic file is repetative. It's not supposed to be a masterpiece of a composition. But I will assure you, it will sound good. By the way, I am going to make the mix clever, like the sounds and brainwave techniques will back up the vocals to some extent.

[Gabi]

And don't you think repetative music would be better because it is more successful to put you in trance? I find almost every hypnotic file is repetative. It's not supposed to be a masterpiece of a composition. But I will assure you, it will sound good. [/b] Yes, repetative alwayas, but not too boring I mean random sounds, like buzzes, whistles or wind chimes, you know something that could give some relaxed and dream-like ambience. And yes, a little introduction wouldn't be a bad idea. I prefer a short one, but for me now it's your song

[really]

Okay, I guess I will be sending you a sample soon. I need your email though Gabi, could you please PM it to me, or do you think I should sign up for that website mentioned earlier?