Melatonin and b12

[alexosma]

Ok i have natrol melatonin 2mg with 10mg of B6 http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=3658 and cvs vitamin b12 2000mcg how much of each should i take, and when shouldi take it before bed or wbtb thanks

[MisterHyde]

I use something similar (5-HTP) and it contains the same amount of B6. I normally take 1 just before I go to bed. I find it works pretty well.

[moonshine]

Melatonin or B6 should be taken before bed. They stop REM early in in the night (not what you would want during a MILD/WILD)causing REM rebound later. I beleive B12 should be taken during WBTB, but I'm not 100% sure.

[alexosma]

im not trying to be a d1ck but i listed my products because i wanted answers related to my products, perhaps someone that uses my products can answer my questions, thanks

[O'nus]

Melatonin: Melatonin regulates the physiological changes related by light, the time of day, etc. in co-relation with the suprachiasmatic nucleus. Melatonin pills will immediately inhibit monoamine oxidizers (MAO) which inhibit the production of serotonin which produces melatonin from the pineal gland which is then secreted into the blood stream. Soo, by taking melatonin pills, you kind of skip the process of secretion from the pineal gland and the whole physiological change from serotonin (since melatonin is excreted from serotonin). The effects can sometimes take a while depending on the individuals serotonin levels within the digestive tract (there are strong levels of serotonin within the digestive tract to begin with too... alcoholics will be easy to adjust). Since during sleep the levels of melatonin increase dramatically during the waking stage with the arousal of the ascending reticular activation system (A/RAS), by taking melatonin pills, you keep a regular dosage of melatonin throughout sleep without arousal of the ARAS (and waking you up). The amount of acetylcholine is also dramatically reduced during sleep in order to regulate norepinephrine and other neurotransmitters involved with waking state. Melatonin can be bought throughout America for, usually, less than $20. It is recommended to take only 2-4mg. (See Proper Intake Times below) Melatonin cannot be purchased in Canada... legally. Vitamin B6: Vitamin B6 is a group of substances pyridoxine, pyridoxal, and pryidoxamine) that are widely distributed in animal and plant tissues. These substances are involved in the metabolism of amino acids (the building blocks of protein) and in the breakdown of glycogen (a stored sugar). Vitamin B6 is found in liver, pork, chicken, fish, and whole grains. A deficiency can result in functional disturbances of the nervous system. Pyridoxine is essential in the conversion of amino acids to carbohydrates or fats for storage or energy, the synthesis of new amino acids from carbohydrates, and the conversion of the amino acid tryptophan to niacin. Vitamin B6 provides a role in the development of most protein-related compounds including hormones, neurotransmitters such as serotonin, hemoglobin in red blood cells, and many enzymes. Quote: The dosage underneath is the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), but be aware that this dosage is the minimum that you require per day, to ward off serious deficiency of this particular nutrient. In the therapeutic use of this nutrient, the dosage is usually increased considerably, but the toxicity level must be kept in mind. Males 2 mg per day and females 2 mg per day. (www.anyvitamins.com) Dosages: For those who feel depressed, or any symptoms of depression (lack of self-confidence, loss of will to do anything, loss of desire to wake up, consistently sleeping, etc. etc.) I recommend taking Vitamin B6 or trying to incorporate more food that involve this vitamin before seeking professional help. It should be noted that these supplements initially, and primarily, only help REMEMBER sleep. These supplements are not "lucid dream pills". By taking one of these pills, you will NOT suddenly have lucid dreams, especially if you have not had one before. Primarily, all these supplements come to the essential production of melatonin, serotonin, and n-methyl-d-aspartate, in order to have the same biological and neurological stasis of the waking state (although complete and parallel balance is impossible). If you believe that these supplements are the reason for your lucidity, then your chances of having lucid dreams without (and even with them) dramatically decrease. To define it to the quintessential point, these supplements only help for these TWO factors: - Remembering dreams - Prolonging REM sleep That's all! Proper Intake Times: If you have read over the scriptions of these neurotransmitters and supplements, it should be relatively obvious what the order should be, although it depends on your mood (balance of these chemicals in the brain): Groggy Bored Mood: - Vitamin B6 (60-120min. before retiring) - Serotonin (40-60min. before retiring) - Melatonin (20-40min. before retiring) Excited Anxious Mood: - Glass of water, or milk (2-3 hours before retiring) - Melatonin (40-60min. before retiring) - Serotonin (not recommended, thus, I won't give a time) - Vitamin B6 (20-40min, before retiring) You can take vitamin b6 once more at the time of going to bed, especially if your diet for the day has been low in this vitamin complex. I, however, do not recommend taking any serotonin supplements. Simply eat the right foods regularly and do not incorporate them into any intake schedules. I hope this has been enlightening. ~