hey this is an interesting subject. you both seem to be saying that lucidity is flowing state, so the question being, where does our normal waking consciousness end and the dream consciousness begin? then there is the lucid state which is a combination of waking consciousness and normal dreams. its the third state that seems to flow most easily, eve against our greatest efforts.

one of the most interesting things involved in this is that we lose our temporal identities in lucid dreams. we are never thinking about what we are going to do tomorrow, what we did yesterday, and so on. i think this is a good thing, but it also seems to be the reason we dont recognize ourselves in dreams too often and wake up in them. i think this is because waking life is sorta ruled by a form of consciousness that is focused on praticality, language, and our senses. this doesnt mean that non-conceptual states arent also opertaing (like emotions,moods, and cares) and attaching themselves to our waking states through unconscious processes. this may be why dreams in general are so powerful since they are exploiting the emotional core of our self and our self-representations.

just a theory in progress, but do either of you notice in non-lucid dreams anything peculiar about that moment when you realize that you are in a dream? i cant figure how there can such a phenomenal shift in our consciousness but only seem like a simple perspective being transposed onto the rest of our dream world.

anyways, enough rambling