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and what is the difference between faqntasy and nothing? If anything, isn't fantisy more then nothing?[/b]
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and what is the difference between faqntasy and nothing? If anything, isn't fantisy more then nothing?[/b]
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Mind melt ...:/
their both nothing
so, is there any real difference between killing a DC and a person?
I really dont know what your talking about.Quote:
so, is there any real difference between killing a DC and a person?[/b]
if people are nothing, and DC's are nothing, then is there a difference between killing one or the other
I really dont know what your talking about.Quote:
if people are nothing, and DC's are nothing, then is there a difference between killing one or the other[/b]
the topic
As a passionate lover of psychology and philosophy, I would say that killing a dream character could represent a few things: (Keep in mind I am assessing this from a psychological standpoint, not spiritual, etc.)
If you killed a dream character, this most likely means one of the following:
1) You have come to emotional closure about the loss of a person in your life. Or you have come to closure to a part of your personality which you detested (ie. the part of you that is perverted like your uncle Ned.. whom you killed in your dream).
2) You feel that there is no possible way of negotiating with this certain person or part of your personality. It feels that talking with, let's say Ned, is impossible and you just wish he was out of your life - so you kill him. Or, you are conscious of your perverted ways that are similar to Ned's but you have no idea how to solve or deal with and you just wish it would go away - so you kill it.
Those two are the most likely of cases. The following would be more abstract and rare interpretations:
3) You are a sadistic freak and have mental problems. Chances are this is not you reading my text because if this applied to yourself, you would most likely be in jail or dead because you killed yourself or got killed by the police in a sadistic shoot-out. A rare case which I assume is about .2% prominent in the entire Earth's population. (No, you are not sadistic.. you probably just think it is cool to be sadistic.. which brings me to the next case..)
4) You wish you were a different person of different characteristics. You find it difficult to deal with the people in your surroundings and tend to simply avoid or accomodate conflicts with these people. You wish you had the courage to "just kill them!" This case can often become exaggerated and becomes the person's projected shadow.. we can see this in the case of Hitler (assuming he is not an "insane and evil person" like in case 3 but more of a hurt individual who projects his pain to the world) or you can see it manifest in emo-like teenagers who typically have difficulties adapting with their families or society.
5) This may be characteristic of a certain ritual you have read or believe in. You may wish to attain the characterstics gained from such a ritual (killing a person). The common characteristics would be power or manhood. If anyone thinks this applies to them, please elaborate for me.
I think these may cover the essentials. I hope I have been enlightening.
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indeed
thank you for insight
Behaviorism what aload of crap. http://www.uvm.edu/~chmartin/lecter_freud.html
fraud vs hannibal who will win.
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Relevance..?Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
I liked the page though - hillarious. :D
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Well you cant give people motives i.e. will never trully know someone would kill a DC. Also your assuming their more then a video game character now i kill them does that give me one of the profiles.Quote:
Relevance..?
I liked the page though - hillarious. [/b]
W00T!!! O'nus Im glad you still hang around here! Its nice to have some one add a bit of psychology to us loonies.
Well.. first.
I ask you to please not call my views stupid. I have not insulted you nor anyone else here, as my post said. They are my views Im just here to add my input to hopefully make you ask more questions.
In all honesty I could simply respond to you "Well your a doodie face" Attack my views I encourage it, but explain how and why you got to that conclusion the more input I get the more I can analyze my thoughts ;)
As for the arrogance... I think you missed the point.
Sience is the continuing persuit for knowledge, to understand the world around us a true scientist must always ask.
Is it possible?
Unfortunatly there are many that have stopped asking questions. They beleive their thories or the theories of others to be fact and they no longer question them or continue to try to prove it... If it dosen exist you have to be able to prove that it dosent.
I made no attack in my statement only mentinoning a simple truth, if you do however beleive that we have learned all we can learn and that all of the current theories and stances on the very nature of the universe, including how it was created is FACT... Then you sir... are arrogant. If not, =D no worries. Seriously discuss the topic dont try to antagonise me into a personal flame war ;P
The Voice.
I did not say voices... I said Voice...
You dont hear it?
As you read, or as you think?
Am I the only one?
If you dont hear your own thoughts then perhaps you really are just a dream character.
As you read this you dont hear a voice saying all of the words I have written?
When you read a friends IM you dont hear their voice in stead of your own as you read?
In order for you to be real, you have to be able to hear your thoughts. =D Im sure you can hear it, you just havent payed attention to it. Its there trust me, just listen as you think
You said that DC's dont exist to you. Yet you seem to be able to go on a rampage and kill things you dont beleive exists... To kill something it must exist I think...
How can you know that a dream character dies when you do?
It proves nothing. If your friend dies, and you still exist then you are obviously the dreamer and he was a dream character.
If you are a dream character and the dreamer dies, you would cease to exist as you say. That means you wont be aware of you ever existing when it happens.
Ok, just put yourself in these shoes, try.
Imagine coming home from school or work, whatever it is you do that takes you away from your loved ones.
Whn you get home a person that you have been friends with for as long as you can remember is in the livingroom, and they look disturbed. You feel it instantly deep inside when you look at them.
You ask whats wrong and they only respond with a worried look. You go to them and sit beside her/him.
This isint some one you just met, or some one you have fuzzy memoreis of, you know them.
They ask. "What is going to happen to me when you wake up."
Something clenches in your gut and your mind races. This is the only reality you know, you have dreams you sleep, you wake up.
The two of you embrace one another for a long time, and you can feel how afraid that person is, not just the slight shake to their frame, or the irregularity of their breath its something you feel in your heart.
Then you wake up here... And youve never gone back to that place but its stuck in your head.
What then?
Thats one of the things thats happened to me. So I hope that helps you understand why I think the way I do and dont just think me some stupid ass...
I dont quite understand why your brought up the double slit test, all that proved was that light currently defined as photons expresses a duality in its nature, it acts as a wave form and it also behaves like a particle.
Your knowledge of quantum behavior is comendable, but your example only give strength to my view.
Duality.
What it really does come down to though... Is that if you are slaughtering innocent people, those that would have no chance in defending themselves you really are weak. So what you ended their lives, it meant nothing to you so what have you accomlished, you feel better bcause you have simply "killed"
Please, seriously think about this, there is no honor in smiting those that do not deserve your wrath.
I may not be a moderator now or anything... Im just a wanderer, but I have a lucid task for you.
Create an opponent that will serve as a challenge to you and defeat it.
Or
Open your mind, lower your defenses pretend to be the vunerable whelp. Face a nightmare, one of those faceless monsters that inhabits the dream wolrd.
Thats your Task...
Serinanth, the part where you talked about your personal experience with a DC really makes me quite sad. I've had quite a few of these moments, so I can understand fully where you're coming from. :(
Its ok Eminence, just as long as you remember those moments, thats whats importatnt, its really all we can do for the loved ones that we loose.
becomingagodo & Serinanth:
First, becomingagodo:
I honestly have no idea what you are saying here. Can you re-phrase this..?Quote:
"Well you cant give people motives i.e. will never trully know someone would kill a DC. Also your assuming their more then a video game character now i kill them does that give me one of the profiles."[/b]
Serinanth:
I am confused as to wether or not your post was to me. If it is - where did I call your opinion stupid..? I do not understand..?
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what gets me is the fact he says that both are nothing, so what makes killing one worse then killing the other?
nope not directed at you O'nus, I was just glad to see your still about ;)
I kill people in video games, I don't believe they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serinanth
Well to me only as a lot of 1's and 0's programmers, artists, and producers/designers put together, I wouldn't say they exist or have consciousness although they can look real. LDing is a fulse reality some a reflection on true reality but fake like an emulated hologram in your mind created by your mind. There is no underlining fabric no true stable laws and there for no stable rules or consequences for your actions, if you kill someone you can bring them back or that thought created by your mind that you killed, just as a cheat on a video game. Infact video games have more stable laws to it than dreams do for the average person not a programmer. Everything you dream about is really not a true reality, kill a magical talking computer will not mean you killed one in a true reality but a fulse one, yes it looks and feels very real some of the times, but that does not make it a true reality. If it was true that killing a DC was really killing someone in a true reality somewhere, then every reality you dream about is true, everything you see is true in a dream is true, everything you do in a dream is true within some reality, and wich I would say that is a fulse statement wouldn't you. Thats just my view on the things you guys are talking about.
Dream Characters are nothing, merely elements of your subconcious
I wouldnt do it myslef
but if you do it, oh well
dont over analyse this simple action
its NOTHING.
Depends on the DC. If it's an anonymous DC with no face, or some kind of Orc or Vampire (I've had several dreams killing armies of fantasy beings) then I think it's OK. BUT... if you enjoy killing someone you know close up and seeing their face and being really violent.... well.... then I think it's a bit wrong. I hope it doesn't carry into the real world
Thankyou.Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
Nothing defines 'real', that is the problem. So we have to define it ourselves (that's why there are so many different opinions on this topic) - what do you think a reality check is?Quote:
Originally Posted by imran_p
Anyway, I'm not sure, I mean science can prove dreams are only in our minds can't it?
And I think we might be confusing 'real' with 'true'...