Thread: Is It Right To Kill Dc

Killing a DC is like killing a video-game-character. They are both just electric impulses, and can both be revived at command. Killing a DC is somewhat more real though, and it might hurt your feelings, to kill a DC, since it's so real. It also depends how you kill the DC. If you go to a particular DC, bring a knife, and start to stab him/her, the horrified face of the suffering DC will probably stay in your face for a while, but if you blow up 1000 DCs with a nuclear-bomb, it's just comedy-gold!

I killed about 6 last night with an automatic gun. I gained lucidity late in the dream and it's the only thing I could think of doing.. lol.. and a few of the DCs were good friends... LOL! Woops!

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Now reading the last post it got me thinking about moral rights in dream and is their any in reason. Well let deal with violance now if you kill or beat a DC is this ok. To me it like playing a video game if you kill a person on a video game he doesnt feel pain and is not alive so wouldnt that logic transfer into dreams as well.
Their is a point where it can get unreasonable like just doing lucid dreams to kill DC. To date i have only killed fiften DC and these were ninja and i had a sword e.t.c. You could argue like violent video that violance in lucid dream make you more violate but then their no evidence to support the video claim. I cant see anything bad coming from killing DC character. Thoughts anyone
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I think I read the post you were talking about. I don't see a problem with it - the video game reference is perfect. You know it isn't real.

If fact, having to fight was how I became lucid. I always had terrible nightmares as a kid. Eventually I stopped running and began turning and fighting. Then one day, I was able to shoot lighting from my fingers, make weapons appear in my hands, or whatever by will. I remember thinking "holy sh*t, I'm dreaming."

Some of my favorite LDs are nightmares that turn lucid. I realize I can't be hurt and start kicking some a$$

My favorite new trick the ability to fight like Neo from the Matrix movies. I'm moving as fast as him, flying around, kicking anybodies a$$. Its awesome.

To determine if killing a DC is morally incorrect, we must examine what it means to kill. Seems an obvious question, I know, but think about it for a moment. To kill someone is to rob them of their lives. Now we must ask ourselves, what makes a DC different from a real person?

Simple. A DC exists only as perceptions. I tend to think that real people are something more than the light that I see and sound that I hear. They have thoughts, feelings, hopes and families. When a DC is killed, nothing is lost.

However, I do understand why some chose not to kill. Dreams are the perfect proving grounds to test one's moral integrity. After all, if you can resist an impulse despite any conceivable repercussions, then you have demonstrated considerable self control. And if you screw up, hey, no harm done.

But to say that killing a DC is immoral just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Now reading the last post it got me thinking about moral rights in dream and is their any in reason. Well let deal with violance now if you kill or beat a DC is this ok. To me it like playing a video game if you kill a person on a video game he doesnt feel pain and is not alive so wouldnt that logic transfer into dreams as well.
Their is a point where it can get unreasonable like just doing lucid dreams to kill DC. To date i have only killed fiften DC and these were ninja and i had a sword e.t.c. You could argue like violent video that violance in lucid dream make you more violate but then their no evidence to support the video claim. I cant see anything bad coming from killing DC character. Thoughts anyone
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What I think is that, if one wants to live a spiritual life, one should not kill Dream Characters if possible. The short answer I can give you is : Karma (Cause and Effect).

Another way of looking at it is: dreams come from your subconscious/unconscious. If you perpetuate unskillful acts (or acts which are not good) in dreams, you are influencing your subconscious/unconscious in an undesirable direction.

In the long run, this won't be good for you. According to Tibetan Book of Dead, there is the Bardo or Intermediate State after death, when one has the ability to go to a better or worse rebirth (or even to become Enlightened). If your subconscious/unconscious is heavy with Karmic debts (or wrong-doings), it is more difficult to get a desirable outcome in the Bardo state.

One can take rebirth in a heavenly realm (god realm), human realm, Asura realm (jealous demi-god or titan realm), animal realm, hungry ghost realm or hell realm. (from Tibetan Buddhist wheel of life and death)

It has been said that concerning good and bad deeds, it is not so much about reward and punishment, but rather Cause and Effect.

All this is just what I think. I hope it helps.

Karuna (Compassion)

Hmm... I think it is ok, you are not hurting anyone. But I see your point of dreams feeling real and effecting your emotions. Videogames can be just... videogames. I belive they can make people more violent. I think that in dreams it is your motive for killing someone that counts... and will effect your emotions. If you are uncomfortable with killing you don't have to do it!

What is a DC??? I am new

WHAT IS DC

quick! Idiot is getting mad!

Perhaps learning to be more self-sufficient would be a better approach.

DC is a dream character.

HEHEHE!!!!

JUST WANTED TO KNOW

Don't worry, Scar. The list of acronyms has only been mentioned 2999 times. Now it's an even 3000!

I have never killed a DC in an LD (and probably never in a normal dream), but I don't see anything immoral about it if you treat your LDs like video games. However, some people might have religious/spiritual objections (as DarkMind points out), and that's perfectly understandable.

you can never be 100% sure you arn't hurting somone in WRL by killing a DC.

I think the only justifiable reason to kill a DC is because they wanted to kill you, and then, as your are the dreamer, you could find another way to overcome them other then killing.

I tend to avoid killing people in games if there is another way around it. that is why I like thief so much: you dont have to kill someone in most cases

I treat those I meet within the dream with the same respect to those I meet here. I cannot treat them as if they are nothing.

My take on the dream world is that it is as real as this place, its not something I can question either at this point. Because from my perspective of reality I have to question; is this real? What if I am just some ones Dream Char.

I had a dream character asks me. "Whats going to happen to me when you wake up?"
I've looked in their eyes and have seen there is something there an intelligence a consiousness I dont know... Whether it be a part of myself or perhaps something else I dont know.
But through my experiences I tend to be trying to help those I meet. I just cannot go on a wanton rampage gta style, its against who I am.

However, I have been in some crazy battles and yes I have killed but it was more a fight to survive than mowing down some random pedestrians.

But this is my take on the dreaming, do as you wish I just hope our paths do not cross in that place during one of your rampages

I gotta agree with dark mind here.
Try to look at the world whether it be this one the dream one with Compassion.

Originally Posted by Keeper

you can never be 100% sure you arn't hurting somone in WRL by killing a DC.
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Hey, thanks for the heads up, Keeper. I think it's also worth noting that you can never be 100% sure that a kitten doesn't die every time you post.

Please, Keeper, next time you go to post...

Think of the kittens. :'(

Only oneself can determine whether one's actions are right or wrong. If feeling good mentally after having commited an action, it was a good action, even if it was murder. If feeling bad mentally after having commited an action, it was a bad action, even if it was saving a baby.

I have killed in both lucids and non-lucids. I never kill people I care for, but the rest I kill with a pleasure. They have little to no worth to me anyway.

I take it you dont believe in shared dreaming then, Mark?

No. I don't believe that dreams affect the real world in any direct way any more than you believe that your posts will cause direct harm to kittens.

Are "really" posting and the harm to a kitten related or linked in some way whatsoever? Because I know dreams and RL are linked a hell of a lot more, also dreams not being entirely understood over our understanding of kittens and forum posts, so doesn't that rise the odds a little... lol.
But I think dreams are a form of virtual reality (effecting something without actually being that something.), just like a video game, it's really not that feasible to say that killing someone from within a virtual world would hurt anyone else in RL other than maybe yourself in some psychological way. It's just like the saying- "If you die in a dream you die in RL".
Maybe someone could try it out, bring someone you know into your dream kill them and see if you ever see them alive in RL again lol. I know what side I would put my money on and probably 100% of the population would also, excluding some retards of course. :yumdumdoodledum:

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

Now reading the last post it got me thinking about moral rights in dream and is their any in reason. Well let deal with violance now if you kill or beat a DC is this ok. To me it like playing a video game if you kill a person on a video game he doesnt feel pain and is not alive so wouldnt that logic transfer into dreams as well.
Their is a point where it can get unreasonable like just doing lucid dreams to kill DC. To date i have only killed fiften DC and these were ninja and i had a sword e.t.c. You could argue like violent video that violance in lucid dream make you more violate but then their no evidence to support the video claim. I cant see anything bad coming from killing DC character. Thoughts anyone
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Yes it is. O.o Dreams aren't reality. I don't get why people keep trying to drag their morals into their dream worlds. I never would! I do whatever I want to in my dreams!

well, in your dreams you can act without morals, but when I dream and I know I am me, and not some one else, I will choose to act within what I consider exeptable behavier.

You asked Mark if he believed in Shared Dreaming. So Im assuming by that you were saying that by killing a DC, you may be killing someone else?

Heres the think Keeps, its a dream. Have you ever died in your dreams? You wake up fine. Hell, you can even come back to life if you want.

Remember, in order to have a shared dream... both people must be dreaming. So if you kill a person's dream body, what harm comes to them?

That is of course if some DCs are other people. Wether they are, or not, I dont see anything wrong with killing a DC. If a DC is a real person, your only killing their dream self which they will harmlessly awake from. If they arent, well, they arent. Either way, your not taking a life nor hurting anyone.

if you keep dreaming some nut job comes up to you and kills you all the time, you probably are going to end up with issues

Well yeah, but its not like we're always going to Lucid Dream about killing, or have Shared Dreams with the same people all the time.

I have yet to have a controled LD, pittifull i know, but idc lol one main thing i want to do in a LD is kill/torture, its just like a game, but i want to know what it is like to take a life, really, who gets the chance? Only a select few, (btw i have a awsome social life and im not depressed, i just watched a few too many movies at a young age most likily), only way i can explain my violent mind.
Is it wrong? Physicly no, morally? hmm....Maybe but it only matters if you care.