EXTREME Lucid Experiments

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Originally Posted by schematics

course I know dreams aren't created through stimuli taken in through our eyes, as our eyes are closed when we sleep :D . The stimuli comes from internal input, I know that (not the mind though, the mind is more of an abstract thing, it's probably better to say that dreams are combination from internal input in the brain).

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Yep, you are right...the mind is abstract. Therefore your whole argument kind of makes no sense because you're trying to put physical boundaries on something abstract and boundless. Nothing is unimaginable within the imagination. :D

no that's the thing, I'm saying the mind fools you into thinking you perceived the imperceivable. but w/e. who knows, I could be wrong for all I know.

All that your perceivable is in your mind. Nothing is "imperceivable".

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Originally Posted by schematics

no that's the thing, I'm saying the mind fools you into thinking you perceived the imperceivable. but w/e. who knows, I could be wrong for all I know.

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That's exactly it, no one can ever possibly know for sure either way. When you've experienced it yourself, this explanation just doesn't measure always up. So I understand, I just personally disagree. ;)

I'm not asking anyone to believe me, just that they don't try to rewrite my own experience. It's kind of like when you're in love with someone and a person you don't even know goes "Oh it's just a phase/infatuation." In some cases they are 100% right, but you have to admit, it's more than a little obnoxious for people to say that to someone's face, and you better be prepared for the person to defend what they believe they have experienced. :undecided:

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Originally Posted by seeker28

I've attempted 360 degree vision, but rather than a continuous spherical view, I get jerking, overlapping views. Almost like if your computer monitor is dying and you smack it and the picture jumps and overlaps. Like that.

I suspect that by "Dream Libraries" you are refering to the metaphysical location where all material ever written is said to be kept. Nah, never even tried to go there.

I'm not sure what you mean by "raising" DCs. As in a parent raising a child? As in a necromancer raising the dead? As in causing DCs to float? Or teaching a DC something? I've raised a dead DC. I've levitated DCs. I've also taught DCs stuff.

I have never "created" a new color, but I did have one dream in which I saw a new color. By that I mean a color that was not black, white, red, blue, yellow, or a mixture thereof. I remember that it was beautiful. But I do not remember what it looked like.

I've controlled by dream body, and the bodies of other DCs.

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i see a bright future in the crayola company if you can remember it.

360 degree vision - it rocked and i've only been able to do it once. REALLY hard to explain. Think panoramic 360 photograph like you see online, but all views at once. At the same time. Blew my mind.

Dream libraries - I've been to a place where they claimed everything evil written was stored. I was in a messed up place where everything was evil.

Raising a DC - done, I resurrected my dead dream guide, who promptly stopped visiting me consistently and now only appears every so often. Tried to kill me last time...

Seeing a new colour - I got into a huge argument on another thread about this. To be honest, I am not sure whether it is possible. Try imagining a new colour, right now. Can you see it? And is it really a new colour or a shade of an existing one. I can't imagine a new colour, and I think in images, so I am not sure whether you could do it in a lucid. Might be possible.

Controlling more than one body - I've done this a couple of times. I loved Multiple Man in X3, and pretty soon afterwards copied it in a dream. Also, the second time I flew, there were two of me. I kind of had an overview of each body and could control them independently or together.

Ummm...and as a really experienced lucid dreamer, this isn't really an EXTREME list of stuff. Sorry.

so I wonder if you could give yourself another sense. That would be sort of taking it to the next level I think.

Oh, great idea :)

I'd love manual control over processes that take place in our body-cells :D Imagine - to be able to drive around in your own mitochondrions :) Although that wouldn't really be a new sense, I guess. It would be pretty cool, though. Hmm... that reminds me of stories about Indian healers who have supposedly gone inside their cells in dreams to rearrange faulty DNA or something like that.

Maybe sensing time in a different way would be a new sense. Sort of like the Tralfamadorians in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Tralfamadorians have seen every instant of their lives already; they believe that they can't choose to change anything about their fate, but can choose to focus on any moment in their lives that they wish.

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Originally Posted by SourCherryBoy

Oh, great idea :)

I'd love manual control over processes that take place in our body-cells :D Imagine - to be able to drive around in your own mitochondrions :) Although that wouldn't really be a new sense, I guess. It would be pretty cool, though. Hmm... that reminds me of stories about Indian healers who have supposedly gone inside their cells in dreams to rearrange faulty DNA or something like that.

Maybe sensing time in a different way would be a new sense. Sort of like the Tralfamadorians in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five:

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so it goes

im reading that now and i actually thought about trying something like that in a dream. but wouldn't it just be like time travel through your own life? still it would be pretty cool. it could get pretty freaky if you believe in precognition and stuff.

so it goes
hahaha
great book

To create is heavily contingent upon pre-existing knowledge. How does one create anything completely novel? It would be like asking someone with a sensory deficit, e.g. blindness, to create something that relates to said sense. For without the person having any prior experience to visual stimuli, I cannot fathom such happening (almost).

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Originally Posted by Quark

To create is heavily contingent upon pre-existing knowledge. How does one create anything completely novel? It would be like asking someone with a sensory deficit, e.g. blindness, to create something that relates to said sense. For without the person having any prior experience to visual stimuli, I cannot fathom such happening (almost).

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dats deep, joe

I think this discussion dead-ended awhle ago

until somebody tries this, succeeds or fails, there isn't much else to say about the color thing.

Seconded.

On the subject of creating a new colour I may have come a little closer to solving this little challenge. I myself am incapable of Lucid Dreaming, I only ever did it once and the only lucid thing about it was forcing myself awake because i got scared. I have never had a real lucid dream and, although I imagine it would be a fantastic skill to have, I doubt I ever will.

My 'solution' is something much, much simpler. When you close your eyes you never see complete blackness do you? I don't. What I see, everytime, almost without exception is a swirling mist of dark colours all disolving into one another and regenerating shortly after and this, my friends, is where I found my answer.

The one that stands out the most is what looks to have the darkness of black but the striking brightness and 'blood', so to speak, of green. Now try to imagine that then set it on fire. That is what I believe is a colour created by my mind.

Does anyone see what I mean?

P.S. What is a DC?

DC = Dream Character

Acronym List.

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Originally Posted by mightymind

On the subject of creating a new colour I may have come a little closer to solving this little challenge. I myself am incapable of Lucid Dreaming, I only ever did it once and the only lucid thing about it was forcing myself awake because i got scared. I have never had a real lucid dream and, although I imagine it would be a fantastic skill to have, I doubt I ever will.

My 'solution' is something much, much simpler. When you close your eyes you never see complete blackness do you? I don't. What I see, everytime, almost without exception is a swirling mist of dark colours all disolving into one another and regenerating shortly after and this, my friends, is where I found my answer.

The one that stands out the most is what looks to have the darkness of black but the striking brightness and 'blood', so to speak, of green. Now try to imagine that then set it on fire. That is what I believe is a colour created by my mind.

Does anyone see what I mean?

P.S. What is a DC?

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dude, what?
hahaha I don't think that really makes any sense

Yeah I guess it doesn't. Ah well. But then again I never have seen that colour on anything physical.

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Originally Posted by mightymind

Yeah I guess it doesn't. Ah well. But then again I never have seen that colour on anything physical.

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well the thing is, the way you described it... you used other colors to describe it, and that shouldn't be possible. You can't descibe yellow like "well it's kind of a light red, with a little green mixed in," you dig?

hmm.

yeah you're right good point.