Observation:

[Awaken4e1]

Observation: I have observed over a period of time the response tenancies of the majority (that is not to say all) of the people within this forum (Philosophy). And I come to the following; Hypothesis: The overtly expressive members of this forum have corralled the others of weaker constitution to follow them (the self-appointed leaders) around reinforcing their insecure self-images, and thereby with the expression of these overt tenancies do in fact incite a mob mentality over those who will not (by response) follow in lock-step behind them, (ana I might add they are the majority of this forum.) Or, to bow down to their typical labeling, and categorizing of those who do not agree with them. This quandary which incisively pushes their ideology upon on the necks of those who can think for themselves, and who can draw their own conclusions, and do further quantified their opinions to the point of mental redundancy; it is as if they are fixed within a mental loop-back. Prediction: As a marry-go-round, they will continue to induce the same emotional upheaval within this forum until those who are truly seeking answers, observe the same type of behavior for themselves, and as a result, this forum becomes just as has many thousands of other forums before it have become, Truly Useless! Further Observations: This has been confirmed over, and again, to establish the previously stated hypotheses, along with the resulting prediction, leading to the prescribed resolution. Resolution: This is not, how ever an irreparable state of being; there is hope, for those who truly seek oral-intercourse among its members, without the egotistical superfluous interjections by every other parasitic entity. So, those who truly have a value to add to this form would be as they are, valuable, and would want others to be to them as well.

[AirRick101]

Well, people here do have tendency to gang up on certain irregular people, like the overly religious....or a few select noobies (I think we all know who they were) I wanted to take the first reply before another predictable shoot down would happen! It's hard to stay your own individual self in a forum that invites the many possible arguments. This is a type of forum that doesn't have any strict dogmatic rules about manners and such, it's rather open and freeflow, except for individually selected topics that were intentionally removed. So you're saying that the people with weaker self images like to flock toward the leader personalities in going against whoever they think is in a losing battle, at least when it comes to verbal jabbing. Wellll, I can think of so many examples, but I won't state any for now.....

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by AirRick101 So you're saying that the people with weaker self images like to flock toward the leader personalities in going against whoever they think is in a losing battle, at least when it comes to verbal jabbing. *Wellll, I can think of so many examples, but I won't state any for now..... I 'm saying those who are always dominating the forum are having the weaker ones follow after them to reinforce the leader’s insecurities. To prop them up. Thanks for the honesty!

[AirRick101]

What's there not to be honest about? Well, (I guess I'll start examples), it's like when that rather robotic dattaswami posted, after one person started bashing him for that, more and more people did. It's usually whoever's the first to spark a daring response in other people. Though I wasn't particularly annoyed by his posts I think they had much wisdom in them. I'm somewhat of a victim of both, but I usually am in the middle, not trying to prove a point, but learn from all of them. (I also throw crude jokes and sarcasm from time to time). But usually, the "leaders" are people who enjoy the spiteful remarks they make for spite's sake, not entirely intellectual (you should know after people judge your posts), although it's obvious they intend them as subtle jokes (right, bradybaker?) Hey, we are all seeking harmony with the rest, it's obvious when people argue. They may not want to agree with the opponent's mindset, but they are nevertheless in seek of some sort of harmony. And if somebody is not fighting, they're already in harmony. It's pretty evident when you just give it a lil thought.

[Awaken4e1]

I’ve noticed your posts, and have made a mental note to pay attention to them. Most of them are insightful, though cutting too; it’s a good blend of both. Like, Goldie Locks and the Three Bears. There are many who pay attention the content of the post, and try to respond according. Thanks very helpful, and I know there are many who appreciate it.

[kimpossible]

AirRick, My take is that there's a preacher here who is used to not having someone stand up and calling bullshit when he's preaching. So he is stymied as to how to handle discussion and debate. He accuses people of not answering his posts (the ones not written in any language known to mankind) - but Spoon and ITM and BradyBaker have been trying to get one simple response from him for, what, ten requests? The upshot is, he can only handle spewing, not responding. He just doesn't have the intelligence (or self-awareness) for it, unfortunately. [shrug] At the end of the day, it's his problem. And as long as he's in-your-face-preachy about it, I'm going to continue to counter it. If he wants to preach religion, he can go do it on a religious forum.

[spoon]

[disclaimer]This is only my opinion, I don't presume to speak for anyone else. I'm sure they want to respond to this too [/disclaimer] No-one likes an amateur psychoanalyst. The overtly expressive members of this forum have corralled the others of weaker constitution to follow them (the self-appointed leaders) around reinforcing their insecure self-images, and thereby with the expression of these overt tenancies do in fact incite a mob mentality over those who will not (by response) follow in lock-step behind them, (are I might add they are the majority of this forum.)[/b] No-one has ever stopped someone from expressing their opinion. The \"overtly expressive\" people are just those who take an interest in philosophical thought and have probably spent countless hours of their life developing their philosophy (I know I have). As a result we like to talk about it (I know I do). No-one is coralled here, anyone can express their opinion - we've never stopped you expressing yourself. What we have done is to call things we disagree with into question. Since just about every post of yours is overtly evangelical, you've drawn out the people who object your viewpoint(strongly I might add). This is not because of an \"insecure self-image\" (people really don't like an ameteur psychoanalyst) this is merely because we believe you are wrong, and don't like your attitude of \"this is the one truth, the only truth, accept jesus!\". People are not blindly following the people who post their opinions, they probably just don't care enough to contribute. This quandary which incisively pushes their ideology upon on the necks of those who can think for themselves, and who can draw their own conclusions, and do further quantified their opinions to the point of mental redundancy; it is as if they are fixed within a mental loop-back. [/b] People don't have to read/listen or believe our posts unless they want to. No-one is pushing an ideology here. As a marry-go-round, they will continue to induce the same emotional upheaval within this forum until those who are truly seeking answers, observe the same type of behavior for themselves, and as a result, this forum becomes just as has many thousands of other forums before it have become, Truly Useless! [/b] People expressing their opinion will not make a discussion board useless. And as for \"truly seeking answers\": Myself and many others have responded to every point in your obscure posts. Your general response it to either: ignore the response, or restate your original opinion like a mantra. So far you've been asked, in two seperate threads a total of 9 times, why is faith a proof of you god and not the myriad of others. Each time you've just ignored it. I don't want you to answer it here, but if you are \"truly seeking answers\" you'd think you'd reply to peoples point. ...those who truly seek oral-intercourse among its members...[/b] hahahahahaahaha So, those who truly have a value to add to this form would be as they are, valuable, and would want others to be to them as well. [/b] To sum up, if you truly want this forum to be valuable: - Cut the psychoanalytic bullshit - Start discussing in the discussion board, not merely preaching or not responding to points. - hahahaha oral-intercourse among members - Apologies to brady who, as far as I can remember, is at the moment an amateur psychoanalyst -spoon

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Spoon, you pwn!

[Ynot]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 these overt tenancies do in fact incite a mob mentality over those who will not (by response) follow in lock-step behind them. nought like a big angry mob to get an opinion across it's worked so well in the past just don't be the guy defending the rear when the good guys parachute in and infiltrate the mob, they always kill the guy in the rear and replace him with a spy

[YourTheManNowDog]

why do you give a shit what someone on a webforum thinks or what their philosophy is.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by spoon *No-one is pushing an ideology here. I would differ on this point. Awaken with his flunky dreamtamer and faithful yapping mutt Nirvanastarseed are _absolutely_ "pushing an ideology"

[AirRick101]

If you don't try to express a heartfelt opinion over time, including questioning of "sacred" thoughts, it will screw with one's beliefs over time. I used to have a sort of preachy overtone way back, but I couldn't relate with people as well. I didn't find Nirvana very preachy, thoug he complements Awaken in a different shade of light. Now, I already said dreamtamer annoys me, trying to convert first, and threaten with hellfire or a second coming when cornered or inquire if you had a damaged childhood when you respond cynically. Don't worry, it's a normal Christian arsenal for apologetics. Kimpossible, you would have realllly hated Evangel, then, he was the more hardcore bible thumper in this forum, but he doesn't post anymore. You can look him up if not yet. Well, I agree with shitting on someone if they go overboard, I don't think Awaken has gotten enough of a chance, but he doesn't seem bothered either.

[Howie]

There are leaders and there are followers. There always has and always will be. It is a natural tendency to look up to a mentor. If someone is admired by an individual member they will most likey be that person you speak of. We can only hope there is not a lot of bullshit floating around. There are enough smart people in this forum to weed out the crap. The "self appointed leaders" do not listen to a response. They are unlikely to debate and go about there marry way believing they are the one who knows the TRUTH. To rebute them usually is what causes these little conflicts. A lot of them bring out suprisingly great discussion, but in the end nobodies mind is lilkely changed.

[Oneironaut Zero]

Some people never cease to amaze me. Now, without taking the time to ask exactly Who you were addressing in your (generalized to the point of unecessary) first post, allow me to add my own opinion, which we are obviously allowed to do (as confirmed by the existence of this thread.) Awaken4e1 wrote: The overtly expressive members of this forum have corralled the others of weaker constitution to follow them (the self-appointed leaders) around reinforcing their insecure self-images, and thereby with the expression of these overt tenancies do in fact incite a mob mentality over those who will not (by response) follow in lock-step behind them, (are I might add they are the majority of this forum.) \"Overly-Expressive\" is a demonstration of taking your own opinion (as you've done in every post I've seen from you) as truth, or Factual. \"Weaker constitutions\" is implying that anyone that reaches a logical agreement with whomever it is this post of yours was trying to call out, is of a lesser constitution than the person before them, and much more specifically, Yourself. Spoken like a true Self-Appointed Leader. (By the way, this is the point on which my response is truely based. If you'd taken the time to state who you were referring to, specifically, I wouldn't have felt compelled to reply. But you didn't, so let the good times roll...) Awaken4e1 wrote: Or, to bow down to their typical labeling, and categorizing of those who do not agree with them. I'm not a violent man, but to see you even Dare to type a statment like this after hearing you drone on about how those who don't share your belief in \"the Truth\" about God and his legacy are of such lesser worth than yourself makes me want to slap the hypocritically ignorant Hell out of you. (Pun intended) Awaken4e1 wrote: As a marry-go-round, they will continue to induce the same emotional upheaval within this forum until those who are truly seeking answers, observe the same type of behavior for themselves, and as a result, this forum becomes just as has many thousands of other forums before it have become, Truly Useless! The philosophy section in General, I would think would be a place to discuss your views, scientific, or religious, in the manner of mature Discussion. And I agree that many of the opinions are taken overboard, but this is nothing you are innocent of. Yet, you are determined to call foul and throw \"well then you're just unworthy\" rhetoric when people state why the disagree, or ask for you to back up your reasons for believing in what you do. I'm sorry that some of the one-sided insultingly biased and holier-than-thou posts you slap up on the boards with the nerve to label them as \"Topics\" when they are merely billboards that scream to agnostics and atheists that \"I'm right, You're wrong! You don't see the truth so you have no worth!\" don't sit well with people who (like you) don't like being insulted for their beliefs. You quote countless scriptures which (while annoying, to say the least) is, I guess, your perogative. (sp) However, you need to realize (as you obviously haven't) that many of the things you have said, and many of the things you will continue to say in the future (amateur psychoanalysis IS kinda fun, ain't it? ) are biased, quite insulting, and as self-righteous as are the posts that you're speaking about from those who don't share your point of view. I don't think anyone should depend on name-calling and condescension to provide logic behind their belief system. If you believe in whatever it is you believe in Enough, you should have more than enough ammunition to express your point of view. Awaken4e1 wrote: Or, to bow down to their typical labeling, and categorizing of those who do not agree with them. [/quote] This quote deserves an encore. However, this time, turn it inward and begin to assess how many of your posts are guilty of the Exact Same Thing. That said: "Peace. Love..and....who wants Cake?!"

[kimpossible]

Well written, Oneironaut! And, yes, I'm well aware that your response applies to me as well. And that is, on my part, intentional and intended. Yourself, Bradybaker, Spoon, ExNine, and couple others do a bang-up job taking the highroad. My intent is to carpet-bomb the bullshit to clear the highroad. It is, shall we say, a calculated response.

[Howie]

In hindsight to remark as you did Awaken4e1 will ultamatly offend other members and in return creates more segregation.I would respect other members, moreover when it comes to philosophy. Everyone is entitled to their own ideas. Originally posted by Awaken4e1 The overtly expressive members of this forum have corralled the others of weaker constitution to follow them (the self-appointed leaders) around reinforcing their insecure self-images And I do understand, as you can see by my above post, that I do understand where you are coming from.

[Awaken4e1]

No-one has ever stopped someone from expressing their opinion. No one as stated that anyone has stopped me, but they have insulted my intelligence, which is really no big deal, but it is the opposite of what the member tries to convince the forum. Amateur psychoanalyst. Again the observation is the whole reason of this conversation, but an assumption is made to demean my interaction within the forum. As for being an amateur I would not even have to respond. If the post applies to you then by all means reply, I recall the lesson of like many times before. To those who are not ruffled by this, and who can see it as it is I say ‘Bravo!’ The first instinctive reply is to justify the acts of these few, when I would rather have the individuals themselves reply. And not just regurgitated stand-bys by those who feel the need to justify the leaders’ opinions, which they have at their beckon call, for the asking, but truly to reply to the observations. These are statements supported by numerous observations of select members, to name them would be to give them even more reasons to rebuttal with labels, and categorizations, and vulgarities of those whom they dislike or disagree with, so that would be fruitless. As most of you know, I am relatively new, so I have not yet been swayed by those who take the forefront, and who would rather spew obscenities rather than give a reason for their disagreements. These have reoccurred over and over again, by the same few members, and who will continue to do so because of self-enforcing supports within the forum. They spew a vulgarity which seems to be a cover for a lack of vocabulary, or esteem whish is the opposite of what they are trying to convince all the others is the fact. People are not blindly following the people who post their opinions; they probably just don't care enough to contribute. No, they do contribute with a systematic spontaneity which is only there to reinforce with blinding obedience. No-one is pushing an ideology here. Maybe not per say, but defiantly obvious in their dismissal of the disagreed opinion.

[dreamtamer007]

Originally posted by kimpossible I would differ on this point. Awaken with his flunky dreamtamer and faithful yapping mutt Nirvanastarseed are _absolutely_ \"pushing an ideology\" There we go again, putting words together but not saying anything. The only difference between you professional egos and us is that we have a life force in us that we would like to share. We can talk about the unknown properties that might exist in a scientific realm but you get sidetracked when a hint of this life that lives in us tries to share with your obviously dead souls. You conger a bug or chip on the shoulder defeated foe attitude with no excuse for your rebellion except you know we have something you don't.

[kimpossible]

Nothing more revolting than someone who stirs up a bunch of crap, deletes half the posts where they stirred up crap, then runs off screaming about how they're being repressed. Simply nothing but cowards, people like that. In the real world, they'd soil themselves if someone yelled "boo" halfway across town.

[Awaken4e1]

Observations proven in real time… One little question? When the proposed (color of a comet) post was made, you stated that you would have you're 24 Xeon Processor 3D imaging farm render the resolution of the image to produce the results of a true color image , of the comet. And if that is a true statement, and you have access to that high powered Imaging Farm, then why would you need some one else make a sig for you?

[dreamtamer007]

Originally posted by kimpossible Nothing more revolting than someone who stirs up a bunch of crap, deletes half the posts where they stirred up crap, then runs off screaming about how they're being repressed. Simply nothing but cowards, people like that. In the real world, they'd soil themselves if someone yelled \"boo\" halfway across town. Your the one that stick its nose in posts for attention and says,” I am God" In so many words. Get a life and try to stick to the topic. No one thinks your anything special.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by dreamtamer007 There we go again, putting words together but not saying anything.. :bravo:

[Oneironaut Zero]

Awaken4e1 wrote: The first instinctive reply is to justify the acts of these few, when I would rather have the individuals themselves reply. And not just regurgitated stand-bys by those who feel the need to justify the leaders’ opinions, which they have at their beckon call, for the asking, but truly to reply to the observations. [/b] What individuals? You specified no individuals, so who could know To reply? (or not to, for that matter) Let the record show that I replied because a post as vague as your first implies that you are calling out people who are "Overly Expressive" in your own mind. Taking into consideration the fact that there have been many that have disagreed with you, I'd consider it your responsibility to single out those who you've aimed your, quite degrading, first post toward. The above quote alone rouses me to reply once again, because your insulting those who you think are the "subordinates" of Whoever it was you called out, could very well imply that you think any and everyone who has agreed with Whoever it was you called out, on some level, is their lackey, and that their replying to your first post (as I have done) is for some subserviant purpose rather than characterizational self-defense. Your views on religion are no reason for me to insult you and/or your intelligence, any more than it gives me right to insult anyone elses. And on the level of your beliefs, I don't think I have done so. What rubs me the wrong way is the way you carry yourself, and the hypocrosy (sp) you show while nonchalantly (and probably subconsciously) degrading those who don't follow your beliefs. Long story short; to clear up any confusion that may be felt by those who disagree with you on purely philosophical levels, maybe you should try to clarify who exactly you are addressing when labelling "self appointed leaders" and their subordinates, so those who have had disagreements with you (namely myself) don't take it as an obscurred-beyond-recognition insult. However if you Are labelling me either "corralled," a subserviant or even a "self-appointed leader" by all means don't hide behind vagueries and let me know Personally so that I might have the chance to defend against your degradation. k? thanx.

[Awaken4e1]

Great responce, But I don't think naming those who are aware of their own actions would do any good, but to incite more flamboyant diatribes with which they could further reinforce their insecurities. I know that these individuals know who they are, and it is not any of you who have responded calmly, and intelligently

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 Observations proven in real time… One little question? When the proposed (color of a comet) post was made, you stated that you would have you're 24 Xeon Processor 3D imaging farm render the resolution of the image to produce the results of a true color image , of the comet. And if that is a true statement, and you have access to that high powered Imaging Farm, then why would you need some one else make a sig for you? I'll break my own rule for a moment: Go back and read the post - I was to use the horsepower of my renderfarm to provide the location of the object 72hrs into the future. Not that you're capable of even such rudimentary understanding of the English language. And I needed no one to make an avatar for me. It was offered to me as a gift, with no knowledge on my part that it was being made. Again - you simply don't have the intelligence to grasp even simple concepts. And yap yap yap go your little mutts.