What Goes After You Die?

[skyS]

Maybe at death our souls undergo some change in which everything reverses- the self is based off of non-perception and is dream related- as opposed to while you're alive you are mostly based on reality perception. what i think is- that it's a sort of transition- something that you cant know until it happens= but of course i dont know- how does one's thoughts just leave the body and go somewhere else- and who gets to experience death?? there's no reasonable logical explanation...well of course there's so much that cant be explained- you'd think death would have some type of reasonable explanation in terms of the soul or spirit. but after you die- that is YOU- what is you? who are you anyways? just memories----what voice goes to the afterlife??? like say you've lived your whole life in a coma- and you dont have any self identity- because you dont dream or anything- just as an example- what would you be if you were the said person? who would go to the afterlife??

[Howie]

You live on through family members and friend's voices. Maybe something that you contributed to society. Then to fade of with time into

[Neruo]

Like I said in another topic: Souls and evolution don't match. Evolution is pretty much accepted by all intelligent people, at least if they were brought up without religious bias. And also, evolution seems very true to me. If evolution is true, the existence of souls would be silly, unlogical and improbable. So, I must conclude, there is no afterlife. Not like the 'soul' bullshit doesn't run into trouble. Awnser these questions if you believe in an afterlife (and therefor in souls, or something are surpasses the physical body): If people have brain-damage, they sometimes drastically change personality. Is the soul changed too, then? Same goes for eclectic simulation of the brain. Sometimes they use it to treath people with mental illnesses, like tourettes or neurotic stuff, and that can also really change a person. Is the soul changed? Same goes for people losing parts of their brain, but still surviving, never to be the same again. And what if you can split someones brain in half and implant the other half into another body. You would have 2 'people' that might be capable to have brain-activity of some sort. Then what? Are there 2 souls? If not, don't 'vegetables' already 'passed on' their soul?

[Ne-yo]

Finally we agree on something. You right the Soul is a bunch of Crock!

[skyS]

I dont know, because to me evolution is just adaption to our environment- we are evolved to survive the best we can in our habitat- so mabye our secret evolution is to survive death itself?

[Neruo]

Finally we agree on something. You right the Soul is a bunch of Crock! [/b] Ah, yes this is spectacular, we agree one something! However I do wonder, you do believe in heaven do you not? How do people 'get' there if there are no souls? Or do you like believe that the heaven-(and hell) realms are so different then ours that they can just 'take copies' of our minds, without there having to be souls? And then still, what if people drastically change? Is there a rule 'what you are before you die, you are for ever'? I wouldn't want to get a lobotomy then (or do I? Since I would go to hell). EDIT: I will just PM ne-yo so this doesn't turn into a dialogue. It's a forum, so it should be a multi-logue.

[Ne-yo]

Yes I do believe in Heaven. Do I believe that people go there when they die? No. And of course I do not believe in a Hell.

[Lord Toaster]

Ne-Yo - so what's the point of a heaven if people don't go there when they die? Is heaven empty? Or have I misinterpreted what you were saying? By the way, I agree with the other two - once you die, you're dead. No afterlife. Toaster

[888]

i think when you die you goes to a funeral

[The Blue Meanie]

Ne-Yo - so what's the point of a heaven if people don't go there when they die? Is heaven empty? Or have I misinterpreted what you were saying? By the way, I agree with the other two - once you die, you're dead. No afterlife. Toaster [/b] Agreeds. I don't believe in soul, spirit, or afterlife.

[Ne-yo]

Ne-Yo - so what's the point of a heaven if people don't go there when they die? Is heaven empty? Or have I misinterpreted what you were saying?[/b] There is a point to Heaven and I'm sure it's nowhere near empty considering God has an Infinite number of angels. Heaven is God's dwelling place and I'm quite sure it has been around eons before the Universe was brought into existence.

[becomingagodo]

Say if we build a conscious computer and by definition it is alive it go to heaven when it dies. The computer Deep Blue is the best example it is creative and can think like a human.

[blade5x]

What if the soul is evolving as well?

[Neruo]

What if the soul is evolving as well? [/b] Sigh... I see the chance as FREAKING small that we got souls trough evolution, since natural selection does not apply to it. Having a soul has no advantage over a soul-less some-one-else. Thus: kind of a silly question, aight?

[Levi1057]

Let us examine what can be determined as the soul. The soul, as I gather, is what we deem as the conscious part of our being, the entity that lives inside the body and is responsible for the dictation of our lives. The soul then, if looked at in this manner, is worthless after death. For death itself is an ending of perception. The soul is an organ in which we view matters of spirituality while we are alive. The soul is also the thing that perceives matters of spirituality much in the way our bodies perceive the world around us. The soul views the energies that surround life as well as acts accordingly to spiritual stimulus created by these energies. But once we die we have no need to perceive anything spiritual or physical. So the soul, or conscious of our ended life, is useless to us after death. Let me give you my view of what happens when we die. Once our life ceases what is deemed as the consciousness enters what could be classified as a sort of dream state where in which they see what they believe is the afterlife. For example, if you believe there exists a heaven you will go there, if you believe there is a giant purple dinosaur that resembles Barney waiting to give you a big hug, you will be there. Your consciousness will then act out what would be considered by you the afterlife. But the energies that surrounded your body while it was alive will deteriorate and return to a sort of collective of what we could deem as spiritual energy, where it mixes with the rest of the energies from all living things. This collective of energy is then drawn upon every time new life is brought into being. But don’t take anything I say to heart. I’m mildly insane. *Huggles* :yumdumdoodledum:

[Ne-yo]

But don’t take anything I say to heart. I’m mildly insane. *Huggles* :yumdumdoodledum: [/b] Must be insane because how are you going to have a conscious if you're brain is no longer active?

[Levi1057]

I’m speaking of the last few moments of brain activity after death, though I have yet to see a study of the exact amount of activity and in what locations. But where there are loose facts and maybes there will be individuals like me who will exploit them to the utmost of creativity. *woot* :yumdumdoodledum:

[Ne-yo]

Then more than likely the individual is not pronounce dead becuase then there would be a good degree of electrical activity and some clinical evidence of brain function.

[Levi1057]

Life ends once the heart ceases to beat and the lungs take no air. At least that is the poetic death. *tear*

[3FLryan]

There is no way to answer this question. None. That we know of. Fun to talk about though, it might be anything.

[dagmar]

Maybe at death our souls undergo some change in which everything reverses- the self is based off of non-perception and is dream related- as opposed to while you're alive you are mostly based on reality perception. what i think is- that it's a sort of transition- something that you cant know until it happens= but of course i dont know- how does one's thoughts just leave the body and go somewhere else- and who gets to experience death?? there's no reasonable logical explanation...well of course there's so much that cant be explained- you'd think death would have some type of reasonable explanation in terms of the soul or spirit. but after you die- that is YOU- what is you? who are you anyways? just memories----what voice goes to the afterlife??? like say you've lived your whole life in a coma- and you dont have any self identity- because you dont dream or anything- just as an example- what would you be if you were the said person? who would go to the afterlife?? [/b] Have a read of this, some heavy stuff here: http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DimensionalNEWS.html

[Alric]

A soul is supposed to be more than just a collection of memories, so thinking of it in that way isn't going to work. Its possible that the vast majority of your memories will disappear when you die but that doesn't rule out having a soul. Its also possible that not every person who is alive has a soul. As for evolution, I don't see what one has to do with the other. Infact I could use evolution to come up with a theory that backs up souls. The goal of evolution is to keep the species alive by living long enough to have lots of kids. Well how does a soul reproduce after its body is dead? Well its entirely possible that a soul can not reproduce after death at all. So how do you create new souls? By having kids while alive, which grow up into nice human beings which have souls. Who knows, maybe the reason we live life is to have lots of kids because we are no longer able to reproduce after dying. In that way they both work for the same goal. I know it may sound silly but its entirely possible. Who knows, maybe thats the meaning of life after all.

[blade5x]

Sigh... I see the chance as FREAKING small that we got souls trough evolution, since natural selection does not apply to it. Having a soul has no advantage over a soul-less some-one-else. Thus: kind of a silly question, aight? [/b] No, I'm saying what if evolution of the soul effects evolution of the physical being? Our actions in the long run pretty much lead to how we evolve. What is they evolve with eachother? Maybe the most advanced souls 6000 years ago were about as smart as the cavemen that existed. Must be insane because how are you going to have a conscious if you're brain is no longer active?[/b] Science has not yet proven that conciousness is a product of the brain. And for people who are about to argue about brain damage - it's like saying why can't people inside of a car drive it when it's broken - maybe the conciousness cannot any longer operate a damaged brain, just like a human being can no longer operate a damaged car.

[Levi1057]

... it's like saying why can't people inside of a car drive it when it's broken - maybe the conciousness cannot any longer operate a damaged brain, just like a human being can no longer operate a damaged car. [/b] This makes me all warm and fuzzy :yumdumdoodledum: