Different Realities

[MrGrEmLiN]

I know this may sound weird, but I've been thinking a lot about the possibility of there being other realities parallel to this one and what would separate them from one another was the different concepts that would exist in each of them. In this reality we have good, evil, love, hate, objectivity, subjectivity, and "all" of the concepts that exist to us. In one of these other realities we wouldn't have these concepts, but different ones. Of course, we wouldn't be able to think of these other concepts because they would only be possible to exist in the other realities. Through this theory I came up with (don't know if anyone ever came up with this before), we wouldn't be able to know about the existence of these other realities because no concept or "thing" in them would be perceivable to us. I'd like to know what you think about this. PS - I'm not talking about the existence of several spiritual planes, since these would share a lot of ideas and concepts with our plane.

[Merlin38]

Have you ever read a comic before? The theory of alternate reality has been around forever.

[MrGrEmLiN]

Actually I have never read one. But I don't think we're talking about the same thing. Could you tell me more about this alternate reality theory you know about?

[Merlin38]

The easiest alternate reality theory to describe is this: that for every possible choice, or outcome, there is a reality that contains that event. If you can imagine it, it probably exists in some reality.

[Chaos]

The easiest alternate reality theory to describe is this: that for every possible choice, or outcome, there is a reality that contains that event. If you can imagine it, it probably exists in some reality.[/b] Thats basically how I think of the alternate realities. Like if I was almost in a car crash in this reality, then the car crash actually happened in another, and in another I could have caused, not just a car crash, but a 50 car pile up! Yeah, I know, that's a little extreme, but that's basically the concept here. More than likely, I'm not even alive in half of the other alternate realities, or maybe I have some sort of disability from something that, while it didn't happen in this reality, may have happened in an alternate one. Through this theory I came up with (don't know if anyone ever came up with this before), we wouldn't be able to know about the existence of these other realities because no concept or "thing" in them would be perceivable to us.[/b] This really sounds like you're describing other dimensions. There is a difference between them and alternate realities. It seems to me that an alternate reality would be pretty much like our would, but w/ different events occuring. But w/ dimensions, it seems as if they would cause this perception distortion that you are talking about.

[MrGrEmLiN]

Yeah, I do believe in the alternate realities you described, it's confusing to think we're in the middle of that maze, but I actually find it fun! Other dimensions could be the word for it, but my idea is something more extreme. Like, these other realities being based on totally different concepts we can't even be aware of. For example, if our reality was based on fire, one of these other realities would be based on water and so nothing that was made of water could possibly exist or be perceived in the fire reality.

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

I see my own alternate reality as something like a car crash. I would die in this reality and continue on in another without conscious recollection of my previous self dying in that accident. Like if i was driving down the highway and all of a sudden a truck came head-on and totaled me and my car i would suddenly be in the alternate reality still driving my automobile, yet already programmed with all of the traits and perceptions that make that alternate reality an actual reality. Imagine the truck as the kind of power that the Twins from The Matrix Reloaded and Revoltions had, passing through you in the alternate reality but hitting you as a solid in this reality.

[MrGrEmLiN]

I see my own alternate reality as something like a car crash. I would die in this reality and continue on in another without conscious recollection of my previous self dying in that accident. Like if i was driving down the highway and all of a sudden a truck came head-on and totaled me and my car i would suddenly be in the alternate reality still driving my automobile, yet already programmed with all of the traits and perceptions that make that alternate reality an actual reality.[/b] That's cool... But... When would it end?

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

Perhaps it never does. Even in death there is a continuance

[MrGrEmLiN]

Ok, but what would be the point or logic or even mechanincs of such a universe so filled with alternate realities?!

[funky_chicken182]

I believe in two different "other realities or dimensions". 1. The multiverse. If you've ever read Michael Crichton's Timeline or have studied quantum physics you know what I'm talking about. The multiverse is an infinite amount of universes that are constantly splitting. There's one where Hitler won the war, one where he lost, one where you brushed your teeth this morning, one where you didn't. In this way there can be an infinite number, because there are so many little details that could be different. These universes are constantly splitting. 2. Other dimensions. Well actually maybe just one. I am a Christian. I believe that angels and demons work in another universe parallel to ours, with concepts we cannot not understand (like you said Gremlin). Say this parallel universe has 5 dimensions. Our universe has 3d Height, Length, Depth. 5d could be something like Heigh, Length, Depth, Time, and being able to sense where exactly in the universe another being is. Time could be viewed like an object you could say hey lets look at Fred. He has red hair, he's tall, a little chubby, he dies in 2015, was born in 1958, and right now he's alive and well in France in the year 2007. These are very interesting concepts. And I love to look at theories on them. But, I do not think there is anyway we can be sure, much less understand them until Jesus comes back and we go to heaven. I also understand that you might not agree with me being a Christian, but please don't diss that here, just diss my views.

[MrGrEmLiN]

1. The multiverse. If you've ever read Michael Crichton's Timeline or have studied quantum physics you know what I'm talking about. The multiverse is an infinite amount of universes that are constantly splitting. There's one where Hitler won the war, one where he lost, one where you brushed your teeth this morning, one where you didn't. In this way there can be an infinite number, because there are so many little details that could be different. These universes are constantly splitting.[/b] If this is true, we probably aren't in the same universe we were a minute ago, just based on our choices, right? I am a Christian. I believe that angels and demons work in another universe parallel to ours, with concepts we cannot not understand (like you said Gremlin).[/b] I'm sort of a christian as well, I do believe in this too, and I also believe there are even higher universes than those of angels and demons. About time being a 4th spacial dimension... I can't believe that, just 'cause I don't think time actually exists. Your 5th dimension, though, is kind of curious. I believe the 4th dimension is sensing the energies around us that come from the plane of the angels and demons you mentioned.

[13redfan]

If this is true, we probably aren't in the same universe we were a minute ago, just based on our choices, right?[/b] Not necessarily, we may have been in this universe all along, making all the choices, with everything else making the same choices, that lead to this. An alternate reality may have been created when you turned left instead of right at the intersection this morning, and there may be a new you in another universe newly created because of that choice. Or you could be the new you. You never know. I believe the 4th dimension is sensing the energies around us that come from the plane of the angels and demons you mentioned.[/b] I agree somewhat with this, but I always imagine this "dimension" as being somewhat similar to what Frodo sees when he puts on the ring, or at least in a similar conceptual way. There, but like an undercurrent (or overcurrent, whatever)

[Conforming Non-Conformist]

Ok, but what would be the point or logic or even mechanincs of such a universe so filled with alternate realities?![/b] A'point' and 'logic' are human constructs that we primitavely use to perceive and give structure and meaning to what we believe to be life and existence. Assuming that alternate realities pave the way for many more avenues of thought and possibility i do not believe that we could at this level of humanity explain the mechanics of such a universe. Teh same way we are struggling to explain theory after theory of how this reality is composed, i doubt we would have much more progress into alternate ones before figuring out in entirety this one first.

[MarcJR]

There are some really interesting concepts & views here. I'm always open to the idea of different realities & dimensions, partly because I am an open minded person, but also because I can't dispute it. I can't prove that alternate realities & dimensions don't exist, & I can't prove they do either. We only use a certain amount of our brains, & until that changes I don't think anyone will be able to prove anything like this or even fully comprehend it. I'm trying to expand my mind, i think that if I can use more of it, I could be more aware of the things that go on around us. I believe it is possible to become one with the whole universe, because after all we are just a bundle of energy right? Just like anything with electricity flowing through it can connect to other things, I believe we can do the same. I hope i'm making sense here, as it makes sense to me. I mean, have you ever felt connected to someone or something before? You know, either through emotions or any other kind of energy. I think if we knew how to channel our brainwaves correctly, anything could be possible.

[MrGrEmLiN]

I'm trying to expand my mind, i think that if I can use more of it, I could be more aware of the things that go on around us. I believe it is possible to become one with the whole universe, because after all we are just a bundle of energy right? Just like anything with electricity flowing through it can connect to other things, I believe we can do the same. I hope i'm making sense here, as it makes sense to me. I mean, have you ever felt connected to someone or something before? You know, either through emotions or any other kind of energy. I think if we knew how to channel our brainwaves correctly, anything could be possible.[/b] Yeah, definitely! I also believe our goal is to experience uncondicional love which is the same as feeling connected to humankind as a whole. That probably comes from expanding our consciousness like you referred.

[MarcJR]

Yeah, definitely! I also believe our goal is to experience uncondicional love which is the same as feeling connected to humankind as a whole. That probably comes from expanding our consciousness like you referred.[/b] Oh yes I certainly believe it to be so. I've been thinking that we most likely are already connected to the whole universe, we just aren't aware of it.

[MrGrEmLiN]

Yeah, I think so too, because sometimes when my mind is in a different "tune" I sorta feel that connection...

[MarcJR]

Yeah, I think so too, because sometimes when my mind is in a different "tune" I sorta feel that connection...[/b] Yes, there are times when I feel more 'in touch' with things too. I really hope one day I will be able to be one with everything, even if it is in another life.

[Neruo]

Yeah, not that original. Also, how is there 'good' and 'evil' in this world? Aren't that just extremely subjective, man-made terms? Besides that, I am sure there might be some other universes outside of ours that are so fundamentally different we can never really understand them. However, that doesn't matter, you can't reach such a place, and such a place can not reach us.

[MrGrEmLiN]

However, that doesn't matter, you can't reach such a place, and such a place can not reach us.[/b] ~ Who knows...

[Dewitback]

I totally agree with you on that there could be alternate realities, and not only like a car crash could kill me in this life and not in another, but more like things unamaginable to us. like different senses to percieve the world or sound being different. its all so confusing and i wish so much that i could understand. but then again I'd be God if i could. take a look at this site and it proposes a theory that is close to yours. http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php its abit confusing but if you watch it about twice you may undersand it better. I get lost in the middle somewhere but the end makes total sense and is close to what you are saying.