Seeing through the filter of desire

[NonDualistic]

The following is a quote taken from Solskye that was in the topic on "The Law of attraction": LOL...I wholeheartedly agree. People are unknowingly jumping from one method of control to another. Choosing to become prey to simple rules of power. Allow me to share an apt quote from the book of power... Law 32- Play to People's Fantasies "The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses." "Remember: The key to fantasy is distance. The distant has allure and promise, seems simple and problem free. What you are offering, then, should be ungraspable. Never let it become oppressively familiar; it is the mirage in the distance, withdrawing as the sucker approaches. Never be too direct in describing the fantasy-- keep it vague. As a forger of fantasies, let your victim come close enough to see and be tempted, but keep him far away enough that he stays dreaming and desiring." See? Simple power plays done in order to control the lemmings... This is quite interesting and helpfull as I consider how I look at the things in this world from the perspective I am. I would venture that the power plays suggested above are something we each do to ourselves every day, though gone unrealized most of the time. We really end up cheating ourselves in trying to control what goes on around us to the degree we usually do in following our own desires. When one sits back and just observes ones own way of seeing things and how one handles ones own life, one can see that there are many cases where one lives the moment in desire of something else other than what is simply the truth of that moment. One becomes aware of just how often they put on the "filter of desire" and look through it, and just how readily that filter really taints their view of the world around them. When one wears such a filter one applies all their desires, and more importantly, the expectations from those desires to what is seen around them. Whether it is another person or an object, one starts to "muddy the water" in seeing what they see by making such an application. Truly such is most eveidenced in how one sees the people around themselves. A spouse is a great example of how the filter is gradually put on in a relationship and how that filter begins to bring changes to that relationsip. In many a case the contentment with what is, is replaced by the expectation of what could be. Its a viscious trap one can fall into. One is caught up in the desire, lost in it, looking at everything around them with expectations that are never seemingly met, thus fueling the desire all the more. Even if the expectations are met, then in many cases the individual has become so accustomed to living the desire that they just unconsciously ratchet said desire up a notch or two till the expectations are no longer met again and the individual delves back into the desire cycle again. One ends up living for the desire itself and not for the fulfillment of the desire. I beleive this is what is indicated in Solskyes quote above, but rather than having someone else controlling and conditioning us it is we who control and condition ourselves without ever being really consciously aware of it.. One should really try and look at the relationships and material and immaterial objects around that one is involved with and see what there is to see on this subject. I would like to see more discussion on this subject, thats why I pulled Solskyes quote from the other topic over to here.

[Stupified]

What you said makes me think of the "Law of Attraction". I don't know if it was covered in that thread, but it is all really based on gratitude. If you want abundance and you focus on that desire, you tend to attract lack of abundance. Tell the universe "I want money! I want money!" and the universe responds "You want money! You want money!" You said "instead of focusing on what is", I think it is what you focus on. You can focus on everything your partner did not do for you, showing he/she doesn't care, or focus on what they do that shows they love you. Express gratitude to the other and the universe and the response is "You have Love, You are Love." I also agree with the idea of others, dangling carrots on sticks, leading us around. All we have to do is ask....Who is leading Who and where are We going? If the answer is....I am leading Me, It doesn't really matter where you are going.

[really]

If the answer is....I am leading Me, It doesn't really matter where you are going. Wow, that's awesome. Everybody lives the way the want, and nobody is at fault or with differentiation.

[ClouD]

The minimal experiences i've had... have made 'life' seem like madness. How am i not different from doing as such every day? There is desire. For being 'alone' again. It sweeps this mind constantly, unless 'i' force it out, which happens for so little each day. If 'i' try to force it out whilst trying to reclimb that mountain all 'i' do, is confuse my mind further into the abyss. At times this mind claims ownership, that i fail to see past. 'I' feel trapped where 'i' am, as there are supports that founded such 'belief' to 'begin'. My mind has no proof that it can see. It fights me. 'I' become it many times. How is this any different from what is described above? It is stuck ND, and it is becoming the illusion of my self. It is at a milestone, it refuses to get past... and only because i let it... The doubt is creating fear in 'me'/it, and 'i' am failing this that is a game...

[NonDualistic]

All we have to do is ask....Who is leading Who and where are We going? If the answer is....I am leading Me, It doesn't really matter where you are going. ...and if one quits leading oneSelf ..... then what? Ahhhhhh yes, what then? Would everything that distracts oneSelf just begin to fall away? Would all that clouds ones view of the reality of the moment begin to clear? Can one really break that grip, that one has themselves, upon those very things that distract them? Can one through any effort at all free themselves? Or .... is it the effortlessness of being freedom itself that is the key?

[NonDualistic]

The minimal experiences i've had... have made 'life' seem like madness. How am i not different from doing as such every day? There is desire. For being 'alone' again. It sweeps this mind constantly, unless 'i' force it out, which happens for so little each day. If 'i' try to force it out whilst trying to reclimb that mountain all 'i' do, is confuse my mind further into the abyss. At times this mind claims ownership, that i fail to see past. 'I' feel trapped where 'i' am, as there are supports that founded such 'belief' to 'begin'. My mind has no proof that it can see. It fights me. 'I' become it many times. How is this any different from what is described above? It is stuck ND, and it is becoming the illusion of my self. It is at a milestone, it refuses to get past... and only because i let it... The doubt is creating fear in 'me'/it, and 'i' am failing this that is a game... Take the next step beyond the milestone "my mind"?..... see past the duality... You are mind "I" or "i"? "self" or "Self?"........see past the duality....You are both the Source and Its manifestation The Illusion lies in ones own perception of ones own Self. Just as in the above, the illusion is the desire itself, not the object of the desire. Go and see.... just who is it that is judging failure or success? Go and see... just who is it that is filling with fear? It is only the "idea" of yourself that you percieve as you that is judging and fearfull. It is not that which is truly You. Though You are there, witnessing this created "idea" and its life and lifes experiences, You cannot be tainted or "stained" by anything that happens with or to that "idea" of who you are. Masters teach that the essence of Self, or the "witness", is likened to the properties a crystal ball has. You can place a clear crystal ball on a colored base and the ball will take on the color of the base, yet when the ball is moved from that particular colored base, the clearness of the crystal again returns. Take one more step and reach beyond this to see that the clarity of the crystal ball is always there regardless of what colors are reflected in it, even in the moments that the colors arise to be seen. The crystal itself never changes, just the "illuisiary" images that are seen in it change. Read the latest entry in my dream journal. It may also help somewhat. I am on the same roadway as you are, looking at the same things. We are the many, we are the One. I am just as You are. Lonilness is an Illusion..........

[ClouD]

Thankyou...

[really]

Take the next step beyond the milestone "my mind"?..... see past the duality... You are mind "I" or "i"? "self" or "Self?"........see past the duality....You are both the Source and Its manifestation The Illusion lies in ones own perception of ones own Self. Just as in the above, the illusion is the desire itself, not the object of the desire. Go and see.... just who is it that is judging failure or success? Go and see... just who is it that is filling with fear? It is only the "idea" of yourself that you percieve as you that is judging and fearfull. It is not that which is truly You. Though You are there, witnessing this created "idea" and its life and lifes experiences, You cannot be tainted or "stained" by anything that happens with or to that "idea" of who you are. Masters teach that the essence of Self, or the "witness", is likened to the properties a crystal ball has. You can place a clear crystal ball on a colored base and the ball will take on the color of the base, yet when the ball is moved from that particular colored base, the clearness of the crystal again returns. Take one more step and reach beyond this to see that the clarity of the crystal ball is always there regardless of what colors are reflected in it, even in the moments that the colors arise to be seen. The crystal itself never changes, just the "illuisiary" images that are seen in it change. Read the latest entry in my dream journal. It may also help somewhat. HOWEVER I am on the same roadway as you are, looking at the same things. We are the many, we are the One. I am just as You are. Lonilness is an Illusion.......... Did I interpret that right? It is infinite...

[NonDualistic]

Did I interpret that right? It is infinite... Such a interpetation is true, but such is only scratching at the surface of all that is implied...

[Carôusoul]

This thread is completely non-sensical drool.

[ClouD]

This thread is completely non-sensical drool. Makes complete sense.

[Carôusoul]

Makes complete sense. Seriously, It's an orgy of unbacked up claims and circular reasoning. I was going to do a big "quote every little bit and say why it's wrong" but.. I really can't be bothered. I'm sure it's obvious.

[ClouD]

>:{ I'll just pm him next time. Though, if you mean the main thread post... I can't see anything rebuttable about it... Care to enlighten me?

[Carôusoul]

>:{ I'll just pm him next time. Though, if you mean the main thread post... I can't see anything rebuttable about it... Care to enlighten me? Actually the original post is fine.I have no issues with it. It's just how from there on we seem to have a slowly sinking tangental bunch of mysticism. I mean, the original post makes some good points.But how we end up reaching this: "my mind"?..... see past the duality... You are mind "I" or "i"? "self" or "Self?"........see past the duality....You are both the Source and Its manifestation The Illusion lies in ones own perception of ones own Self. Just as in the above, the illusion is the desire itself, not the object of the desire. Go and see.... just who is it that is judging failure or success? Go and see... just who is it that is filling with fear? It is only the "idea" of yourself that you percieve as you that is judging and fearfull. It is not that which is truly You. Though You are there, witnessing this created "idea" and its life and lifes experiences, You cannot be tainted or "stained" by anything that happens with or to that "idea" of who you are. We are the many, we are the One Is a whole other matter.

[NonDualistic]

Actually the original post is fine.I have no issues with it. ....... I mean, the original post makes some good points. Then we hope that discussion will continue along that avenue. It's just how from there on we seem to have a slowly sinking tangental bunch of mysticism. ........ Is a whole other matter. Then why not just calmly leave the said tangental mysticism to those who dwell in it ? You have acknowledged that you know where I stand.... You know I am not asking anyone else to believe anything... And, you also know I have no need to defend or prove what I say.... I encourage you to substantially contribute to the thread as Stupified and Really have. I do value your commentaries on subjects I direct to all..

[ClouD]

It's just how from there on we seem to have a slowly sinking tangental bunch of mysticism. This "mysticism" breaks the clouds of existance more than you won't comprehend. Yet, current reality seems harsh without such a fluffed pillow of ignorance to cry on.

[really]

Why do so many people think reality is harsh?

[ClouD]

I have had such fear of breaking my 'supports', and falling. I'm not sure anymore.

[Cyclic13]

One can only stay on cloud nine for so long until they need to become grounded again. It's only natural, definitely nothing to be feared. Remember: remaining at the top all the time would lead to stagnation, lack of perspective, and boredom. You have to fall in order to appreciate the ability to stand.

[Carôusoul]

This "mysticism" breaks the clouds of existance more than you won't comprehend. Yet, current reality seems harsh without such a fluffed pillow of ignorance to cry on. There's nothing harsh about anything; saying there is is showing the real ignorance. Anyway, explain how this "mysticism" breaks the clouds of existence? Pleasse.

[really]

Remember: remaining at the top all the time would lead to stagnation, lack of perspective, and boredom. You have to fall in order to appreciate the ability to stand. What about Nirvana - isn't that the true top?

[Cyclic13]

A pipe dream. Nothing lasts forever in infinity...That's why your here.

[really]

Nothing lasts forever in infinity... Ok, and so neither the statement itself. Infinity lasts forever.

[Cyclic13]

Now you're getting it...

[NonDualistic]

What about Nirvana - isn't that the true top? Seeing Nirvana and Samsara as seperate states one still remains tied to a dualistic perception. Originally Posted by SolSkye Remember: remaining at the top all the time would lead to stagnation, lack of perspective, and boredom. You have to fall in order to appreciate the ability to stand. Top/Bottom, movement/stagnation, perspective/lack thereof, boredom/stimulation, you/me, stand/fall, appreciate/aprehend, ......all yet bound in duality, bound in the finite. The infinite lies even higher... Originally Posted by SolSkye A pipe dream. Nothing lasts forever in infinity...That's why your here. Really, The peak of awareness is again yet even beyond this statement .