The Holographic Universe - Beyond Matter

[Sahaja]

A must watch for aspiring Lucid dreamers and Lucid Dreamers alike. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97377629019446 Anyone any thoughts on this documentary?

[ExoByte]

I'm at school so I'll watch it when I get home. Can I get some details on it?

[wendylove]

A must watch for aspiring Lucid dreamers and Lucid Dreamers alike.[/b] This has nothing to do with lucid dreaming, only religious people misinterpreting science to justify a belife in god. I'm at school so I'll watch it when I get home. Can I get some details on it?[/b] God create lucid dreams, and something about taking your brain out to touch it no joking. Seriously it was a big waste of time, if it wasen't for the inventive graphic I wouldn't have watched it. So god did it, surprise I thought they were going to say the christian instead of the muslim god. External reality is mean't to be a myth because we don't exprience it, you know the matrix. This is scientifically wrong on all levels, if you want a laugh watch it, however a big waste of time. Why would taking your brain out and touching it prove external reality is a myth. Man that film is retarded on many levels. Note: if you have a IQ less then 80 or are prone to brain washing the film might change your life, would be a better disclaimer at the beggining instead of the rubbish they wrote.

[pj]

*sigh* As Wendy said... it is an indoctrination video for Islam. No harm in watching it, but be aware of what the punchline ultimately is.

[Jess]

*sigh* As Wendy said... it is an indoctrination video for Islam. No harm in watching it, but be aware of what the punchline ultimately is.[/b] No shit, haha, now I want to watch it for myself.

[wendylove]

As Wendy said... it is an indoctrination video for Islam. No harm in watching it, but be aware of what the punchline ultimately is.[/b] It is sad as a person watching this will find out about lucid dreaming and get brainwashed into thinking lucid dreaming is caused by god. God induce lucid dreaming technique, make god give you a lucid dream.

[Sahaja]

*sigh* As Wendy said... it is an indoctrination video for Islam. No harm in watching it, but be aware of what the punchline ultimately is. Oh I´ve just noticed this is in the wrong section!,sorry folks this should have been in General discussion.[/b]

[Sahaja]

It is sad as a person watching this will find out about lucid dreaming and get brainwashed into thinking lucid dreaming is caused by god. God induce lucid dreaming technique, make god give you a lucid dream.[/b] yeah the end blew me away to!still it does have some interesting points I feel.

[OneRyt]

Are we scared of what we don't understand? I strongly want to talk about this issue here, but I do not want to oppress anybodies views. I strongly want to dis-agree though... with the notion that it is "Allah!" that's idiocy right there. Typical humans jumping t conclusions.

[pj]

Are we scared of what we don't understand? I strongly want to talk about this issue here, but I do not want to oppress anybodies views.[/b] Then take it to Religion and see if anybody else is interested. This is not appropriate for the Attaining Lucidity section. In My Humble Opinion.

[Sahaja]

Then take it to Religion and see if anybody else is interested. This is not appropriate for the Attaining Lucidity section. In My Humble Opinion.[/b] yeah your right it´s my fault.It should be in another section of the forum. Maybe a Mod could move it?

[Suby]

That was complete and utter bullshit. Consciousness could just be a simulation. Like a computer software running on hardware! This is probably the most common explanation accepted in the scientific community. Mind running on the physical brain. That video twisted everything possible. So what if our senses are limited? So what if all we receive is electrical signals? YES, I am a person who loves to tell other people that we can't prove that this is "reality". However, it doesn't matter on a practical level because what is the difference between perceiving all that coherent information from a source feeding it to us, or it actually existing and our senses doing their actual job. To us, in our current state of life, there is no difference. This is not proof for god. This is proof that there are people out there who can contrive of this utter crap. If you cut out a part of your brain, and the rest continues to work, you will realize that you are missing part of "you". This alone is the best reason that our "self", our mind, is located in our physical brain. Please, I hope nobody got persuaded into thinking any of the things this movie suggested. I can't believe I wasted 20 minutes watching that... I wish I had read the comments first! This should be moved to another section of the forum... NOT in "attaining Lucidity" but in something like "Beyond Dreaming" where the people might actually believe in some of it lol!

[Tornado Joe]

I strongly want to talk about this issue here, but I do not want to oppress anybodies views.[/b] Due to the nature of the "punchline" of this video (as well as the scientific and philosophical points therein), this topic will need to be moved into another section of the site. There you will be free to express your views and debate (in a friendly manner) your points. It's a combo of religion and philosophy - I'll try philosophy first (since the religious part only comes in at the very end).

[OneRyt]

Unfortunately, if I do so, it will only stress me out. People need to find truth for themselves. Some links I'll provide for the help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_Age http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian_Order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_%28ph...ophy_of_mind%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_Children There is plenty more I could share about these particular topics, but I feel as though it is the domain of the individual to pursue knowledge for themselves.

[Tornado Joe]

Some links I'll provide for the help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_Age http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian_Order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism...phy_of_mind%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_Children There is plenty more I could share about these particular topics, but I feel as though it is the domain of the individual to pursue knowledge for themselves.[/b] Ok, One - I'm all for using the internet as a great resource for gathering information and correlating it all to come up with a somewhat educated assumption - but Wikipedia??! Really, not the place I would start to seek the all mighty Knowledge of our existance (and certainly not the ONLY place I would look). But the topics you seem to have linked are valid. I would add some other stuff, such as quantum and string theory as well. Why not throw as much into the mix as we can. Good luck to all on your quest.

[OneRyt]

If you found the information relevant and informative, why knock it? Also, Wikipedia provides all sources of its information at the bottom of every article. + I'm not a fan of String Theory. P.S. I used it as a culminating site to bring together everything I've studied, don't assume I've only used Wikipedia for my information. Much of my information comes from my own brain, and is later affirmed by Wiki, or other sites etc.

[Neruo]

Jesus Christ, is this video made for 5-year-olds? The first 5 minutes are very, VERY basic. And lame. Is this a fucking joke? "WE SEE A CANDLE, BUT OUR BRAIN IS DARK!!". OMG! If this is new to anyone, that person never used his brain. Also, the 'the bird is in your brain, because light of the bird reaches your eyes.' ... lol. No shit sherlock. That doesn't mean the bird is fake, or anything. And suuuuurreee, dreams and this reality are just totally the same thing, yeah, totally. I don't actually have to disprove anything, any smart person can see this video states a bunch of common-knowledge, mixed with religious bullshit and pseudo-science. Anyone any thoughts on this documentary?[/b] Seriously, without disrespect towards you: It. Is. CRAP. ^____^

[ExoByte]

So the idea is that everything we see is in our brain... What if you removed your eyes and looked at your brain? Universe explode?

[Cyclic13]

Why in the world did that video have to try and indoctrinate people into islam at the end? The narrator had to say 'allah' at least 50 times really slow and annunciated towards the end. Almost as if he's trying to reprogram you. what a tool. If they took such an agnostic and nihilist stance on everything, why would they all of a sudden twist back on religion at the end. It makes absolutely no sense at all... I mean, I agree about perceptions being a lie and everything but why would 'allah' have anything to do with it. Damn people screwed up a decent explanation with some lame religious hooey at the end.

[Sahaja]

Why in the world did that video have to try and indoctrinate people into islam at the end? The narrator had to say 'allah' at least 50 times really slow and annunciated towards the end. Almost as if he's trying to reprogram you. what a tool. If they took such an agnostic and nihilist stance on everything, why would they all of a sudden twist back on religion at the end. It makes absolutely no sense at all... I mean, I agree about perceptions being a lie and everything but why would 'allah' have anything to do with it. Damn people screwed up a decent explanation with some lame religious hooey at the end.[/b] Any Lucid dreamer worth his or her salt could not fail to notice that there were indeed many valid and interesting points in the video.By the way no scientist to date can explain how brain creates perspective,ie how the world is projected "out there",,it´s the age old problem of which comes first the thing or the thought? As for Allah,well Allah is God and to infantile minds this conjures up some big guy with a beard,in a petulant frenzy they rebel and resist with all their might the very notion that just maybe there is something beyond their tiny transient insignificant selves!

[Cyclic13]

I'm sure there is something more to my pathetic little ego but to use an existing religions terminology to define it, just doesn't do it for me... You should be spending your entire lifetime trying to wrap your head around that question of 'self', not stopping after some simple lettering which most of these supposed truthseekers do.

[Sahaja]

I'm sure there is something more to my pathetic little ego but to use an existing religions terminology to define it just doesn't do it for me... You should be spending your entire lifetime trying to wrap your head around that definition not stopping after some simple lettering which most of these supposed truthseekers do.[/b] Well if I had to choose a religion it would be along the Zen Buddhist line.You could say however that I´m the religiousless type. Mark Twain take it away! THE MYSTERIOUS STRANGER CHAPTER XI For as much as a year Satan continued these visits, but at last he came less often, and then for a long time he did not come at all. This always made me lonely and melancholy. I felt that he was losing interest in our tiny world and might at any time abandon his visits entirely. When one day he finally came to me I was overjoyed, but only for a little while. He had come to say good-by, he told me, and for the last time. He had investigations and undertakings in other corners of the universe, he said, that would keep him busy for a longer period than I could wait for his return. "And you are going away, and will not come back any more?" "Yes," he said. "We have comraded long together, and it has been pleasant--pleasant for both; but I must go now, and we shall not see each other any more." "In this life, Satan, but in another? We shall meet in another, surely?" Then, all tranquilly and soberly, he made the strange answer, "There is no other." A subtle influence blew upon my spirit from his, bringing with it a vague, dim, but blessed and hopeful feeling that the incredible words might be true--even must be true. "Have you never suspected this, Theodor?" "No. How could I? But if it can only be true--" "It is true." A gust of thankfulness rose in my breast, but a doubt checked it before it could issue in words, and I said, "But--but--we have seen that future life--seen it in its actuality, and so--" "It was a vision--it had no existence." I could hardly breathe for the great hope that was struggling in me. "A vision? --a vi--" "Life itself is only a vision, a dream." It was electrical. By God! I had had that very thought a thousand times in my musings! "Nothing exists; all is a dream. God--man--the world--the sun, the moon, the wilderness of stars--a dream, all a dream; they have no existence. Nothing exists save empty space--and you!" "I!" "And you are not you--you have no body, no blood, no bones, you are but a thought. I myself have no existence; I am but a dream--your dream, creature of your imagination. In a moment you will have realized this, then you will banish me from your visions and I shall dissolve into the nothingness out of which you made me.... "I am perishing already--I am failing--I am passing away. In a little while you will be alone in shoreless space, to wander its limitless solitudes without friend or comrade forever--for you will remain a thought, the only existent thought, and by your nature inextinguishable, indestructible. But I, your poor servant, have revealed you to yourself and set you free. Dream other dreams, and better! "Strange! that you should not have suspected years ago--centuries, ages, eons, ago! --for you have existed, companionless, through all the eternities. Strange, indeed, that you should not have suspected that your universe and its contents were only dreams, visions, fiction! Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane--like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell--mouths mercy and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!... "You perceive, now, that these things are all impossible except in a dream. You perceive that they are pure and puerile insanities, the silly creations of an imagination that is not conscious of its freaks--in a word, that they are a dream, and you the maker of it. The dream-marks are all present; you should have recognized them earlier. "It is true, that which I have revealed to you; there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream--a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought--a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!" He vanished, and left me appalled; for I knew, and realized, that all he had said was true.

[blade5x]

Was good until they decided to bring Allah into the picture.

[petersonad]

The "Allah" part threw me off as well. But I think the philosophy behind the video comes from the idea that everything is thought. Thought that is made from consciousness. Which would ultimately translate to reality is dream.

[TalkingHead]

I smelled a rat right from the start when he said that there is no material world. It seems to me that this is a similar sentiment that the new-agers and self-helpers have. That if we change our subjectivity, we change reality. I will admit that there is much overlap, but I can't help but get the feeling that they think they can avoid certain realities like death just by changing their perspective...