The Solution to All of Lifes Problems

You know what movie cracked my mind right open? Gaspar Noe's Irreversible. I know there are lots of teens on here so please run it by your parents if you're interested. It's REALLY out there (centerpiece scenes are touted as the most violent scenes in movie history---probably true) but I found it to be profound. A true masterpiece.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

You guys are not quite grasping the full extent.

If your suicide is causing emotional harm to others, then what would solve those problems for them? Suicide.

The end result is that death solves all problems. Literally.

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Hard to argue with that logic. But with all of humanity now dead, do not problems still exist apart from human-kind? Forest fires, diseases, floods, survival of the fittest between all living organisms. Sure, you would not be around to face those problems, but they still exist, depending on how you view the "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it..." scenario.

Would not death be solution to "life's problems," rather than suicide? The act of suicide, in itself, creates a new problem: "I am dying."

Also, there's always the mystery behind what comes after death. I don't desire to argue whether or not there is life after death, but am presenting the possibility that death does not ultimately solve all problems.

While killing yourself does not technically solve any problems, it does remove them. If you're dead, nothing can affect you, everything you had a problem with, no longer applies to you. If you're dead, for you, none of the problems of life even exist.

It's basically the equivalent of turning off your computer to solve a software problem. Once your computer is off, the software isn't even running, so there's no more problem as long as your computer remains off.

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Originally Posted by suttsman

I always thought the solution to all life's problems was this:



And honestly, it may sound weird and laugh at me all you want, but I don't want to die.

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That is the best video I've ever seen. I've never laughed so hard by myself before. Just don't give a fuck. LMAO

Rofl, masturbate with stolen cheese. Gotta try that one.

Every "problem" is only ever a perceived one and not something inherently problematic with the system and one's flow in the now...

Death simply means a change or transition...

The Universe is in constant change...

Every change brings with it the death of some form or shape to bring into form something more complex and novel...

To commit suicide is just one's desire to expedite perceived change...

To have disdain and hatred enough for one's moment in the now is to show impatience and disrespect for who they truly are...

More likely than naught... things wouldn't be resolved from suicide... carrying around a perspective such as that...

Death is the apex of one curve of the snake Life...

One should look at all opposites as necessary complements...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...yclicsnake.jpg

Death is the process that gently warms the orphic egg of Life during it's most sensitive phase before birth. If we were to look into the cauldron of the Art card, we would see that process bubbling away as the egg grows stronger through death by taking the Life of others and making it it's own...

In truth... Death is the first creative god...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/.../Art-tarot.jpg

Death is something to be revered... not ever feared or rushed...

To fear or expedite death... is to misperceive or misunderstand life...

Look here as our vivacious and flexible version of death uses his scythe to stir up bubbles of new lives from out of the seemingly dead and decaying sediment.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...48/death13.jpg

Seriously though, I had to lol, if you are dead (in heaven or instantly vaporized from existence depending on your beliefs), will you really give a fuck? Honestly I don't think I will.

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Originally Posted by Mysteryhunter

Seriously though, I had to lol, if you are dead (in heaven or instantly vaporized from existence depending on your beliefs), will you really give a fuck? Honestly I don't think I will.

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I heard somewhere that people on average, give 60% too much of a fuck.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Suicide.

What do you think...?

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Ego-death. Not suicide. :D

Epic fail ftw?

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Originally Posted by really

Ego-death. Not suicide. :D

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Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Kill......

LoL

Meaningless meanings

Falling

Dropping

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Originally Posted by really

Ego-death. Not suicide. :D

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I think it is.

Ego=sense of self. Sui-cide= to kill one's self.

Yeah. If you commit suicide, you do not overcome karma. If your ego dies, you overcome karma.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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Don't be silly.

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Originally Posted by really

Yeah. If you commit suicide, you do not overcome karma. If your ego dies, you overcome karma.

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Are you sure? Have you done either? Don't believe everything you read in books. Enlightenment is most likely a path without a guide.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Are you sure? Have you done either? Don't believe everything you read in books. Enlightenment is most likely a path without a guide.

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I can tell the difference through abstraction. I can explain also, if you want. But words are limited.

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Originally Posted by really

I can tell the difference through abstraction. I can explain also, if you want. But words are limited.

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No explanation needed, thank you. All you have to do is tell me, have you committed suicide? Have you escaped karma? Has your ego died? If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are no authority to speak so absolutely on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

No explanation needed, thank you. All you have to do is tell me, have you committed suicide?

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I don't think I need to tell you that. :D

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Have you escaped karma? Has your ego died?

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Not yet. How about: Has "the" ego died?

Slowly dying.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are no authority to speak so absolutely on the subject.

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I speak on behalf of those who have that "authority".

Edit: Also, Ego death could be called Enlightenment. Suicide is not Enlightenment.

Cloud!

More assumptions, really?

Zen is without addition or subtraction.
It exists in totality as everything and nothing at all.

Forget the wordplay.

Forget the effort of being something(,) you are not.

In fact, if everyone was to have their way, we'd all have to shut the fuck up.

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Originally Posted by ClouD

More assumptions, really?

Zen is without addition or subtraction.
It exists in totality as everything and nothing at all.

Forget the wordplay.

Forget the effort of being something(,) you are not.

In fact, if everyone was to have their way, we'd all have to shut the fuck up.

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If you're talking to really, he has no idea what you're referring to.

Totally agree with you, O'nus. And for all those people moaning about how death isn't a solution to the problem - your reasoning is just wrong. Life is the problem. Death means there is no more problem. Ultimately, what's the difference between the problem being gone, and solving the problem? Nothing.

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Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I disagree. It only "solves" the problems of the person who commits suicide (not including if they go to Hell, but that's a different argument), yet causes problems with those he/she left behind. Unless you've lived your whole life away from people, thus forming no relationships at all, someone will miss you. Also, there most likely will be hospital/funeral/burial/travel (for those attending the funeral/memorial service)/etc. costs.

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I'd have to disagree with you there. The only certainty in existence is that the individual exists. Individual perception is all we can be certain of. Therefore, once that individual perception is lost, it's pretty much as if existence in general has stopped. I'm not saying that if a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, it doesn't make a sound - no. I'm saying that if you're dead, existence ceases.

It's a matter of opinion, really. Most people think I'm just plain wrong.

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I find suicide to be a very selfish decision. It affects everyone and only shows that that person gave up. I understand how bad people have it and how dark and sad and lonely and painful their lives can be, but there is always a way out.

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And giving birth isn't a selfish decision? You have kids because you WANT to. It's a selfish thing. Most people don't consider whether or not the child will enjoy life.

We live in a selfish world. All actions are selfish. There is no such thing as a selfless action. Again, as I've said above, once YOU cease existing, it's as if everything else stops existing too.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

No explanation needed, thank you. All you have to do is tell me, have you committed suicide?

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We've all 'experienced' ( I know that's a contradiction, but how else do you say it? ) non-existence; i.e. prebirth, and all the scientific evidence (and logical reason) points towards the death of our brains meaning the death of our consciousness. So we're just going back to the same place as before we were born.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Kill your ego-self and spiritual self.

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KA-ZING.

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Suicide really has the image of being all terrible all-around. In some cases, if it's thought out well, some people might just be better off being dead.

It's really strange that in hardly any country you are 'given', by the state, the right to decide over your own body and your own life. (How could they really pretend to take away that right anyway..)

Thus. Suicide. I ain't doing it, but people should have the freedom to do it (with dignity), if it solves their problems.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Suicide.

What do you think...?

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sounds grim :(

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Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

We've all 'experienced' ( I know that's a contradiction, but how else do you say it? ) non-existence; i.e. prebirth, and all the scientific evidence (and logical reason) points towards the death of our brains meaning the death of our consciousness. So we're just going back to the same place as before we were born.

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It is a contradiction, and there is no way to say it. You cannot experience non-existence, no matter how you phrase yourself. It is not a place to go back to. Also, once something exists, it does not cease to exist. Dying is not ceasing to exist, it is a change of form (the same goes for birth).

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

once something exists, it does not cease to exist. Dying is not ceasing to exist, it is a change of form

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Well the point is that the last form ceases to exist. That form counts as a something, and it is ceasing to exist.