"from Slime To Divine - Darwin's Repackaged Religion And The New Age"

[FOREVERLUCID]

"FROM SLIME TO DIVINE– DARWIN'S REPACKAGED RELIGION AND THE NEW AGE" March 6, 2008 Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt – March 6, 2008 (Exempting Music and Literary Quotes) WWW.CUTTINGTHROUGHTHEMATRIX.COM www.alanwattsentientsentinel.eu Hi folks. I'm Alan Watt and this is cuttingthroughthematrix.com. It's March 6th, 2008 and I thought I'd just put a blurb out to mention more things than you can really do on the air, because when you're on the air you have callers who can get off topic with so many different questions and whatever's interesting the individual at the time comes out and you can't stay on a particular topic. Tonight I think I would like to talk about this big massive juggernaut. It's called culture creation. We tend to see the effects of alterations within culture as they're happening, as we are living through the initial effects, the visible effects, yet we don't realize that no part of a change in culture happens spontaneously. It can take 40, 50, 100 years to implement the initial changes of perception within cultures so that it will manifest down the road. It's no secret there's been a war on the world for a long time, a very old war in fact. You can trace it back thousands of years if you go back into the various sects and fraternities that existed and proliferated from Egypt and no doubt from Babylon itself and Greece, because the philosophers who trained primarily in Egypt, the ones that we know of, I've no doubt there's ones before who were trained in Sumeria in fact before that, but no records left that we have access to. However, the Egyptian ones, at least the ones who went to Egypt did leave records and they became the great philosophers and they were aristocracy of Greece. They were the crème de la crème who were sent off for these educations and came back generally starting off their own schools and they would then start to implement very slowly, in their own time too, differences in thinking, of viewing things, perceptions changes, by either adding knowledge. Adding knowledge sounds very good until you think, wait a minute, to add knowledge you must have all the knowledge on a particular subject. The trick is to give selected knowledge and then your audience will come to preordained conclusions. It's still the same today. The perennial philosophy or religion, as it's sometimes called, is a form of nature worship. It's the central core of Hinduism. It's the central core of reincarnation and all of the various things that spawn from the idea of "we're all one," the universal consciousness, as it's been taught again openly since the '60's and it's been taught in selected classes prior to 1960's through various agencies which were masonically associated such as theosophy. Yet, if you go back to the neo-platonists in Alexandria, you'll find they took the ideas from Plato the idea of the Hegelian argument, because it preexisted Hegel, where you would have conversations, imaginary conversations with imaginary friends or students and put it in a book form with a question-answer type scenario and you would lead someone through a form of logic. The idea being to guide your audience as they read it, or have it read to them, you would guide them to a particular form of reasoning, which again you had preordained, and this was a very old technique which is used even today very successfully. However, the ancient Greeks talked profusely about matter; and I used to wonder why on earth would even a leisure class living high off the hog, off the public, and that's where you get leisure classes. In fact "school," the Greek word it comes from, really means leisure. You had to have leisure to go to school and schools back in Greece were not compulsory in ancient times, but those with nothing much to do and plenty of money, sons and daughters of the aristocracy, at least the daughters eventually with Pythagoras, were allowed to participate and listen. They talked about matter. Now why on earth would these characters who didn't have anything beyond the sailing ship, and the horse and cart, or the donkey, why would they be talking about matter and what matter was made up of? Because they knew back then that apart from perceptions itself and even how your senses perceive things and how your brain analyzes them, they knew a table from the end seems narrower the further away it goes but in reality we know it does not narrow. It's your perceptions. They understood how to distort perceptions as well when you use the analogy and put it into certain forms of speech. You could also shape the forms of conclusions that people would come to if you understand how logic works in people. They also talked this matter and they had atomists associations that literally talked about the atom, long before we're told there were atomic microscopes or anything else. They were talking about the atom and they knew that the hardest object was comprised of something spinning around something and that technically it really wasn't so solid in a different sphere or "dimension," if you like, and this was talked about and they had schools on it back in those days. They were not going ahead to give us aircraft or inventions you think that would be of necessity for them. No, they were talking about stuff to do with atoms and the basic forms of matter and life. However, when they married Plato's dialectic process with the mystery religions – the mystery religions are no different than they are today because back then there was a plethora of beliefs often called Gnostic beliefs and nothing to do with the new Gnostics that are out these days, but they married them with the mystery religions. The mystery religions always centering around special people, Special people who were evolved more than other people and this is not – you have to understand that Plato himself before that, before the neo-Platonist schools in Alexandria, Plato himself had discussed the fact that he believed that the reason that he and his own class of aristocracy ruled and why they knew so much and why they would understand mathematics and so on as it was given to them is because they'd lived before. Reincarnation is a very old idea. It appeals tremendously to vanity and it goes to absurdity of course because you meet thousands of Cleopatras and I always tell each one that tells me she was Cleopatra, it must have been awfully crowded in there. It appeals to the ego. You never find Cleopatra's chambermaid, the one that carries the potty, you don't hear anyone saying that. It's an egotistical thing but it was believed again thousands of years ago by those who ruled. When this is given to people in a modern age, the same philosophies, it's for a different purpose because that which was one time kept for the elite themselves to chat about over a fire as they were served their brandies has now been given to the public, because the public now must also be part of this hidden need contained within the religions to change. It's a changed which has already been planned for the whole world and humanity itself. The ancient boast of mystery religions was that they would perfect all that was left imperfect (meaning humanity itself) and through the understanding of nature, which simply now is science. We are living through the culmination of many, many years of this building up process towards "the great leap forward," as they also couched it some time ago. Everything you've taken for granted, from the jingles on television to the whole concept that change is good, to the blurring of all sexual distinctions and subcategories and there's new categories coming out all the time, and there's new ones to come out yet as they go through genetic alterations and tampering with the Transhumanist Agenda. The Transhumanist Agenda is a society basically of a conglomeration of societies that came out of Oxford of course and Yale University and they're heavily funded by the big boys who fund the world's projects. The big institutions are behind them 100 percent to do with not just life extension, as they hold this out as a carrot for the followers at the bottom who will all go for it, mind you, without thinking the whole thing through. Life extension and genetic enhancement and everyone has been brought up with this idea since Star Trek series and so on, that they've heard the little bits of it, genetic enhancement. They've seen it through fictional form and there's a lot of movies out now with it in it and people think that's going to be given to them; and yet power, as history shows, is never shared. It's never shared with the people. It's kept within the elite who rule people, as is happening right now. The illusion that it will be shared is simply to get everybody "onboard" as they say, to get everyone behind it, because everyone in every generation has one fear, one main fear and it's the fear of death. It's fear of not waking up one morning, which is an odd thing when you're quite happy to go to bed, but if you knew you were not going to come out of that slumber you would suddenly be terrified. Even if your world is pretty awful for you personally and your circumstances are nasty, you'd be terrified at the thought of no sentience or consciousness. Religions of all kind were used in the past to try and rationalize to the people that death was normal and acceptable, which of course it is at the moment for most of us, but yet the fear of death never leaves people. Each person regardless of their function in society, their "status" as it's called in the Eugenics Associations in society, their standing, which now the Bioethics Committees (which are just the Eugenics Committees) are discussing, it makes no difference. In other words, the person at the bottom has been taught that they have as much right because we're all equal now, you see, at least on that level, we're equal into the things which they've told us we're equal about. However, they haven't gone in and told you they've already decided that this new race of humans, this transgenic and transgender and trans-everything type of creature they're bringing in, all kinds of cross between animals and humans and so on, they're telling us that it's already been done. It's been chosen and they don't need the old types anymore, as we happily play ourselves and gorge ourselves with entertainment and all the games they give us and so on and finish off their agenda for the world for them, they have already decided that we are obsolete. We're obsolete. The ones who do it all for them as always are obsolete. They use us like tools that you simply throw away and discard when that which you work on is now obsolete. The tool becomes obsolete as well and the new society that they have designed to come into play will be a very high-tech society where supposedly, just like H.G. Wells "Shape of Things to Come," or in the old black and white movie version of "Things to Come," that was a version of it too, the elite themselves go on and on and on, the never-ending story. That's what that means, the never-ending story. Those who are fit to survive will go on and transmutate into who knows what forever and ever and ever to some ultimate goal. This was shown in the old Star Trek series as well, again because it comes from a very old philosophy-religion, where they land on a planet and there's these creatures or essences or energies within these balls they find in a cave underground and these people are pure mind. They're pure mind. That's what they consist of is mind. It's the same idea going on and on and on to become gods. Meanwhile, they've told the public through the New Age, this incessant New Age, again Isis with a thousand names and faces, all telling the general public that they're all gods. They have god potential within them. Just reach out and grab your godhood. It's yours for the taking and it's such a joke as these pathetic people all run towards course to course to course and then work at their jobs, never realizing that the elite have a very much different agenda planned for everyone who's not. You see, your jobs will not be necessary in the new society. We are all obsolete. If you work for a corporation or a store or something like that, or a business, you're obsolete. It's a complete transformation that's coming – an ordered transformation of society. The producer-consumer thing will only last a little while longer and then you're into the ordered society and then eventually down the road, 30 years or so, after all the riots and chaos that they predict at the Department of Defence, then they'll bring in their new type with a small population of better types. The intellectual types that have proven their worth and they're the psychopathic types because they're all pretty well psychopathic at the top. Old religion, old philosophy that's always been with us, as I say, it's called the "perennial philosophy." It pops its head up every so often down through history. However, it's very clever as I say because this whole concept of equality has been foisted on the public like a mantra, until they start to believe it, never dreaming that a different destiny by the same ones who gave you this equality mantra, the elite themselves, have already planned a different destiny for the people; but you must always keep them happy when you come through major changes when it's going to be detrimental to those people at the bottom, the majority in other words. It's a crash that people come to when they think they're waking up because some people will find it in stages, that which they can handle at a time. Others have been thinking around many, many topics in their lives and it comes with a crash because they've really gleaned little bits from all the different avenues of research, even quiet research within your own mind, and it hits them all at once. It implodes and comes together and they crash when they see the enormity of it all because we are living – if you're conscious at all, we're going through the transformations now. We have been for some time. We've watched eugenics come in to country after country. Manitoba has just introduced it under a different guise, where doctors have the right, not the patient's relatives or the patient's wishes or anything else. The doctors will have the right to terminate life support. They don't use the term "euthanasia" because we're clever in Canada. We like to have this pristine nice image with all the white snow. There's a lot of dirt underneath it and the New World Order runs every country on the planet today. We've watched ourselves being dehumanized. We’ve watched what was normal for a previous century being turned upside down through science. We've watched them tinkering with genetics to create the better types, the superior types, as they come on down the road and you will see the creation of different types including the new worker bee, which will be neither really male nor female. The hermaphrodite – the ancient symbol down through the ages of the mysteries, which people think is just left brain, right brain and so on, coming to one, logic and emotion. Yet if you go into ancient gospels of Gnostics, such as the Gospel of Thomas, it's in the Gnostic gospels, the part that you find in the New Testament where it says that "in heaven there's neither male nor female" if you're a soul or spirit. It's been altered because in the very end of the Gospel of Thomas they talk about no male nor female will be created in this life – in the physical life. This is not a new idea. It's not a new idea at all, then you're into a whole different realm of questioning with limited access to knowledge including ancient religions, ancient mythologies and so on. It's the stuff that science fiction writers make hay with because you can go in any direction you want with that. We know that there has been a great movement on to muddy the waters and confuse everything with the creation of Sumerian legends which did not exist because of one man's interpretation and every other expert in Hebrew, Aramaic, Akkadian and so on don't even take it seriously. They don't even talk about it because it's a joke, but to the general public the stuff this man wrote was fascinating. Part sci-fi, part mythology and an awful lot of fiction, but others have made their careers on this one man's stuff because the fascinating appeals to us. It appeals to our fancy as they say and it all ties in with the New Age of course to special types, special beings, special ones and so on; and I've noticed even ones who have come out in the past, which doesn't surprise me, in what was called the patriot movement some years ago exposing some of this stuff. Now we're talking about the hidden masters and hinting that they themselves might be included in that, that special people have special gifts given to them. It's a matter of timing and these guys can sit like sleepers – we used to call spies "sleepers." They'd be in a country and sit there for 20 years and then show themselves or go into action, and it's the same thing with all these characters that are put out deliberately amongst the public. The whole New Age movement, there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gurus and leaders and so on, all financed by the same sources, all believing the same stuff, because that's how you alter the culture of people. That's how you create new religions, by an all out attack on the existing ones. You demolish as you're introducing the new and it has to be done from "a thousand points of light." What you are left with is a massive confusion. Remember what Bertrand Russell said, a man who understood the nature of humanity and mass movements perfectly. He said because the masses believe something doesn't mean they're right. A thousand or a million or millions of zeroes add up to zero and nothing has changed in that respect. No amount of human potential, hand waving, arm waving, and jumping up and down on stage changes reality any more than hypnosis will change it except for a temporary period, very short lived. What the whole supposed New Age movement has created is the expectation of massive change. We're talking massive change. Everything that was will be different. Everything that existed will be remade anew and perfected. Now that means everything that lives, all organic material. We know that for the worker bees, as they bring out Mart I, II, III, IV, V ad nauseam, will be incapable of thinking as an individual and technically they cannot be unhappy; and since the days of Freud and his libido, where everything was put down to the sexual drive, the whole object supposedly of living is to have perpetual everyday happiness, as though it's some kind of divine right. Something that was never ever thought about 100 years ago because we have all stages of being as a complete human being and you must have ups and downs and stages in between and contemplative stages which give you the complement of being a complete human. Without them, there's no progress called maturity; but, mind you, maturity in this day and age is a dirty word because everything is suppose to be young, young. Here's very, very old people planning a world where they can live forever, getting the whole population to back them on it out of their own selfish greed. That's what they can count on, while they don't intend that you come along with them. Quite fascinating to see. They give you a youth culture where everything and anybody who’s anybody is young. Everybody is young. In fact, there's no middle age people now unless they're simply stupid or street people. That's how they portray them on television in the cop dramas and the different dramas that they put on. The addiction to youth is also to make you unhappy with life, natural progression of life. People are terrified to get older. Mind you, I understand it because when you see euthanasia coming all around when they evaluate your medical treatment and the right to live according to your standing in society and your purpose and function in society, I don't blame them. We should all be very worried indeed, but we're going into a hell on earth. It's actually here. It's just opening up more as time goes on into this insensible anti-human, anti-humane road that we're on and most people go along like the followers of the pied pipers, quite happily, thinking just like all religions before that you'll be saved. That they personally will be saved because they're special. Part of the culture creation of this whole movement was to do with the concepts of right or wrong and good or evil because the whole New Age philosophy promulgated from universities and psychology classes and sociology classes and all the other 'ologies' and perpetually upon television is that there's no good or evil, there's no right or wrong, it's all a matter of human judgment and perception and choice. They've quite happily done away with right or wrong. It's moral relativity. Everybody's opinion is okay. Now supposedly we're fighting wars because other peoples' opinions are not okay. We've fought wars in the past supposedly because other tyrants' opinions were not okay, but suddenly everything is okay but we're still fighting wars. You see, there's your insanity because logic must only be logic when it's perpetual. When you add up the same figures you cannot get different answers from 5, 10, 15 year period intervals. They must always be the same. If it's not the same you're living in a fantasy or someone has played with your mind and that has happened. You've been brought up with people playing with your mind on a scientific basis, a perfected scientific basis. That which fascinates us the most, being human, with all the natural traits of being human, it can be used like an addiction. The drives, the instincts and so on can be used like an addiction to bring you all down into enslavement and program you for the next stages which you will not question. People are fascinated by watching people. That's why they give you television with lots of people on it, but along with watching people or identifying with someone in a particular drama, you're being led along a labyrinth of indoctrinations into ideas which really are outside the story because they're political ideas designed for social change, but you don't notice it as you follow your hero through. However, you will start to behave like the hero in those scenarios as you come up against those particular problems and you'll adapt the same politically correct answers and ways of behavior, your modes of behavior. There's a very good book out there which gives an idea of what the New Age is and all the different levels that work together – well-funded levels and organizations working together to bring it all about and they have been for a long time. This book was published in the 1980's and it's called "America, The Sorcerers New Apprentice: The Rise of New Age Shamanism" by Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon. It's quite interesting because they have a lot of facts in there and statements by the big players themselves. On page 227 they've written: CONTINUED: http://www.alanwattsentientsentinel....Mar062008.html

[Neruo]

lol @ that crappy website. Don't try to impersonate Chuck Norris, it is impossible. He's just too awesome.

[Xei]

tl;dr. also, lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl ^

[StonedApe]

Say, if you are Allan Watt cna you clear up why you are so similar to Allan Watts? I got confused as hell and thought that he was still alive when I found your website. You didn't steal his name or anything did you?

[Xaqaria]

lol @ that crappy website. Don't try to impersonate Chuck Norris, it is impossible. He's just too awesome. I want this picture to become the new elephant stomp. Can we make that happen?

[Serkat]

Don't confuse this moron for Alan Watts. Alan Watts made sense in some of what he said. This, however, is retarded. Also, Alan Watts was funny and entertaining. This is just a big log of shittext.

[FOREVERLUCID]

Don't confuse this moron for Alan Watts. Alan Watts made sense in some of what he said. This, however, is retarded. Also, Alan Watts was funny and entertaining. This is just a big log of shittext. The allegory of Plato's cave found in The Republic is about our own knowledge of the world and how we perceive it. In this cave there are prisoners chained so that they are facing a wall. Behind them, a great fire (the philosopher Heraclitus beloved that fire was the primary form of reality - see Stasis, Change and Atoms in Ancient Greek Philosophy for more on this subject). Between the prisoners and the fire a puppet show is happening. The prisoners see the shadows on the walls and this is their reality. A person freed from his chains and looking towards the light will be blinded and not even able to see what realities he did know before. Being told that what he just saw will confuse him, after all he has spent a lifetime watching shadows. Many of those people will choose instead to go back to the painless knowledge of the shadows rather than the light. Suppose that one of these prisoners is dragged up and held fast before the sun itself. He will be near blind until his eyes adjust, but when they do he will be dazzled and not able to see anything that resembled what he knew as reality before. In time, the prisoner will be able to see all the world around him. Through this knowledge he will become aware of his place in the world. Meanwhile, back in the cave, prisoners give honor to those among themselves who noticed the passing shadows first and their happenings. This prisoner, who now sees the light and once respected those who remarked on shadows would have lost much of that respect. In trying to explain what he has seen to those back in the cave, after his eyes have adjusted to the sun, he would seem foolish to those in the cave. However, the prisoner would know what is right, even if all those around him disbelieve it.

[Serkat]

The allegory of Plato's cave found in The Republic is about our own knowledge of the world and how we perceive it. In this cave there are prisoners chained so that they are facing a wall. Behind them, a great fire (the philosopher Heraclitus beloved that fire was the primary form of reality - see Stasis, Change and Atoms in Ancient Greek Philosophy for more on this subject). Between the prisoners and the fire a puppet show is happening. The prisoners see the shadows on the walls and this is their reality. A person freed from his chains and looking towards the light will be blinded and not even able to see what realities he did know before. Being told that what he just saw will confuse him, after all he has spent a lifetime watching shadows. Many of those people will choose instead to go back to the painless knowledge of the shadows rather than the light. Suppose that one of these prisoners is dragged up and held fast before the sun itself. He will be near blind until his eyes adjust, but when they do he will be dazzled and not able to see anything that resembled what he knew as reality before. In time, the prisoner will be able to see all the world around him. Through this knowledge he will become aware of his place in the world. Meanwhile, back in the cave, prisoners give honor to those among themselves who noticed the passing shadows first and their happenings. This prisoner, who now sees the light and once respected those who remarked on shadows would have lost much of that respect. In trying to explain what he has seen to those back in the cave, after his eyes have adjusted to the sun, he would seem foolish to those in the cave. However, the prisoner would know what is right, even if all those around him disbelieve it. You're not Newton or Darwin, get out of here with this "more-enlightened-than-thou"-crap.

[Carôusoul]

The allegory of Plato's cave found in The Republic is about our own knowledge of the world and how we perceive it. In this cave there are prisoners chained so that they are facing a wall. Behind them, a great fire (the philosopher Heraclitus beloved that fire was the primary form of reality - see Stasis, Change and Atoms in Ancient Greek Philosophy for more on this subject). Between the prisoners and the fire a puppet show is happening. The prisoners see the shadows on the walls and this is their reality. A person freed from his chains and looking towards the light will be blinded and not even able to see what realities he did know before. Being told that what he just saw will confuse him, after all he has spent a lifetime watching shadows. Many of those people will choose instead to go back to the painless knowledge of the shadows rather than the light. Suppose that one of these prisoners is dragged up and held fast before the sun itself. He will be near blind until his eyes adjust, but when they do he will be dazzled and not able to see anything that resembled what he knew as reality before. In time, the prisoner will be able to see all the world around him. Through this knowledge he will become aware of his place in the world. Meanwhile, back in the cave, prisoners give honor to those among themselves who noticed the passing shadows first and their happenings. This prisoner, who now sees the light and once respected those who remarked on shadows would have lost much of that respect. In trying to explain what he has seen to those back in the cave, after his eyes have adjusted to the sun, he would seem foolish to those in the cave. However, the prisoner would know what is right, even if all those around him disbelieve it. I already knew that. And.. relevance in future pls.

[FOREVERLUCID]

You're not Newton or Darwin, get out of here with this "more-enlightened-than-thou"-crap. Who would want to be Freemasonice Newton or Freemason Darwin, practicing eugenics, pedophillic interbreeding, do yoiu know how many of his children died? Puuleeeez, I'd rather be, Foreverlucid.

[FOREVERLUCID]

I already knew that. And.. relevance in future pls. Here let's break it down for ya, note the reference to the MATRIX: Somewhere in the chaotic evolution of human civilization the conceptualized path towards enlightenment became a marketing tool. It is used to sell us idealized images of ourselves, post-journey. One can hardly tune in to any flavor of mass media without being pitched some program of self-improvement. The bestseller lists are clogged with self-help titles in genres hardly imagined a decade ago. Existential crisis seems to be the malady that plagues every American. We can hardly bear the ennui of our post-modern world: formless, godless, and with little indication where one should begin or end outside of the mortal inevitabilities. The quest for certainty or at least guiding principles has become an obsessive one for many people. We chant mantras, recite affirmations to our reflections in the mirror, wear magnetized jewelry, and practice pagan rituals while awaiting the big bang of mental clarity that is surely lurking around the next corner. We sit and wait for revelations to come to us in dreams or visions. This dilemma is not a new one. In Plato's Republic, Socrates discusses a paradigm for improvement over the life course commonly referred to as the Allegory of the Cave. The basic outline is very simple. Socrates envisions humans as endlessly trapped in a cycle of self-delusion. He uses a dark cave where unwitting humans are chained to the wall with no hope of escape or knowledge of their condition. Plato posits that the perceptive capabilities of humans are nearly absent naturally and can only be developed over time. Humans in their unenlightened beginnings are symbolized as imprisoned at the back of a dark cave. The prisoners face the cave wall and their only impressions of reality are shadows cast by passersby carrying models of the real world objects. The passersby carry toy versions of common objects (which can symbolize concepts in life less literal than their representations) over their heads while traveling a footbridge in front of a roaring fire. The captives see only the shadows cast on the cave wall and take them to be reality. The path towards enlightenment starts with one of the prisoners breaking free and beginning the journey out of the cave. He makes his way to the outside world where a ship is waiting to take him out into the real world. The trip out of the cave is painful for the escapee. After an entire life spent in darkness and being deceived how can someone not be crushed by the sense of time wasted? The prisoner is assaulted by sunlight, deafened by the sounds of the outside world, and pained by the fulfillment of his never developed senses. Socrates attaches significance to this uncomfortable process of becoming aware. He speaks of the process of leaving the cave as initially motivated by curiosity and continued out of need to leave the lie that he has been living. Socrates also believed that once the process began it was impossible to go back into the cave. The distinguishing factor between Socrates' conception of becoming enlightened and other systems' is that, ideally, one who is liberated will want to go back into the cave to rescue others. This allegorical journey from the bowels of the cave to the outside (real) world is representative, to Socrates, of the ultimate goal of a person's lifetime. Much like the Buddhist bodhisattva, an awakened person should feel compassion towards his former neighbors in the cave and postpone his own trip to "the promised land" or "nirvana" in the Buddhist canon to bring some of them into the light. In Socrates' view, this desire to save others from a dreary life full of illusion and self-deception correlates naturally with gaining wisdom although it stems more from a sense of love for humanity than a need for self-abnegation (holiness.) In much of their philosophy, both Plato and Socrates stressed internalized need as proper motivation for genuinely good deeds rather than fear of damnation or expectation of divine reward. Socrates characterized the reformed cave dweller as filled with compassion for his fellow humans and disgusted with the life of illusion that he once led. This, of course, follows a period of recovery. Once the first person escapes the cave, he experiences the painful epiphany that his life was a lie and his reality was mostly illusion. Recognizing his former lot as an existence bereft of truth, he realizes that he is morally obligated to rescue his fellow man from an empty existence. One of the most powerful truths alluded to in this allegory is the difficulty that the freed man will have convincing his fellows to leave the cave. Socrates talks of the former prisoner reentering the darkened cave to tell the people still chained up in the cave about the real world outside. Accustomed to the outside world full of natural light, the rescuer stumbles in the darkness of the cave and looks (actually sounds) foolish to those inside. The cave dwellers mock him for his crazy ideas (actually implying that by leaving the cave he has become insane) and insist that they are perfectly happy where they are. The would-be liberator is empathetic; his own trip into the light was unpleasant and disillusioning in the initial steps. He is convinced, however, that captivity in the cave is an evil he must reconcile. So, despite the mockery of those still chained to the wall, he begins the process anew. The Matrix is a contemporary take on a similar scenario. The human characters in this film are held captive in an artificial world by a tyrannical race of intelligent machines. A renegade group of humans have freed themselves from the illusory world and return to rescue others in the same manner that former captives of Plato's cave are compelled to return to rescue current captives. Although the symbolic cave they emerge from leads to a bleaker existence than the illusion they have been trapped in, only one opts to go back. Plato held that there was no returning to the familiar deception once the spell of belief in a false reality had been broken. In The Matrix, however, there is no nirvana, no promised land to be journeyed to. The reality that the cave dwellers (literally in this sense - captives held in dormitory cocoons) enter is less pleasing to the senses but is real. The awakened sleepers find the concrete world a harsher one but preferable to the artificial one that they inhabited. This preference concurs with Plato's assertion that once something has been proved false to both the sensorimotor and cognitive mind it is impossible for thinking people to revert to falsity. So, after the initial culture shock of being reborn into reality and taking the first bracing breath of cold air outside of the cave (or in this case, cocoon) the journey out of the cave is irreversible. Plato asserts that the human mind cannot not truly deceive itself despite the relative comfort the lie may have provided. Even children take this conceptual leap when the truth about Santa Claus is revealed to them. Plato finds this hunger for truth innate in human nature. Despite the fact that the Allegory of the Cave predates the birth of Christ, (or the beginning of the Common Era depending on your perspective) it is still a valid model for the sharpening of the mind. While the Buddhist methods of attaining an enlightened state of consciousness were popularized hundreds of years before the birth of Socrates his methodology differs radically in its proactive approach. Buddhists are supposed to wait with minds emptied until enlightenment reaches them. Socrates spoke of the quest for real knowledge of the world as a bitter battle with the inherent deceptions of human civilization. The Allegory of the Cave admits (and insists) that the process of awakening the mind is a life long process that requires one to sink his teeth into the jugular of reality and that this process is not necessarily a pleasant one.

[Serkat]

So you are basically seeking to bring enlightenment to the world by means of repeating the same ol' "OMG MATRIX" argument over and over again ad nauseam? Good luck with that.

[FOREVERLUCID]

So you are basically seeking to bring enlightenment to the world by means of repeating the same ol' "OMG MATRIX" argument over and over again ad nauseam? Good luck with that. Like I said to someone else: If you can't take the heat, stay outta the kitchen

[Serkat]

This is a lucid dreaming forum. You should assume that almost everyone here is accustomed to the fact that you can't take what you assume to be real at face value.

[FOREVERLUCID]

This is a lucid dreaming forum. You should assume that almost everyone here is accustomed to the fact that you can't take what you assume to be real at face value. No one should ever take anything at face value. There also is a section for this topic of discussion. Don't be frightened, it's just information, potentially another piece for this amazing puzzle called life!!

[Carôusoul]

No one should ever take anything at face value. There also is a section for this topic of discussion. Don't be frightened, it's just information, potentially another piece for this amazing puzzle called life!! He is not being frightened. I mean fuck, he's German. What he is being is pissed off at you assuming you're awesome or revolutionary or a fucking enigma or some shit for saying the same shit as every other person here says every week, each time like they are the true mystic enlightment.

[FOREVERLUCID]

He is not being frightened. I mean fuck, he's German. What he is being is pissed off at you assuming you're awesome or revolutionary or a fucking enigma or some shit for saying the same shit as every other person here says every week, each time like they are the true mystic enlightment. Things that make you go hmmmmm! Germany Behind the Mask: Monster or Marshmallow? Konrad Adenauer said the West was "taking a calculated risk" when they started rebuilding Germany after the Holocaust. Before that President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill agreed: "It is our inflexible purpose to destroy German militarism and Nazism and to ensure Germany will never again be able to disturb the peace of the world." Nevertheless, Helmut Schmidt reported Germany was again putting on "imperial airs," and author Bernard Conally wrote that France was struggling to "hold the old demons of Germany's character in check." Margaret Thatcher warned her deaf audience that "Germany is very powerful now - her national character is to dominate." Are they all just crying wolf? Or is the German beast about to devour again? Robert Locke is opposed to the increasingly fascist Europe (but doesn't believe Germany dominates it) stated: "I can't agree with you about Germany. It is a castrated PC marshmallow of a country, not a lion preparing to rule the world." Consider Luigi Barzini's reference to “The mutable Germans” in The Europeans where he questions: “Which is the shape of the German Proteus this morning? Which will be its shape tomorrow? Johannes Gross thinks his countrymen wear a mask. 'But the day may come when someone lifts the mask,” he wrote. “The face that appears may be less full-cheeked and rosy than today's... So long as we wear the mask, we remain hidden and continue to conceal the situation from ourselves.'” Ron Fraser (Is a World Dictator About to Appear?) exposes: “Although Germany is the prime mover in all these [European unification] efforts, in order to dispel any idea that the country may have expansionist intentions, these initiatives have generally been made under the cloak of being for the common good of the European Union.” This sentiment concurs with Bismarck, who wrote in his diary (Nov. 1876): “I have always heard politicians use the word “Europe” when they were making requests to other powers which they did not dare formulate in the name of their own country.” What is Germany hiding? Nuclear weapons? Who would be so foolish to imagine Germany without their own nuclear weapons when they were ahead of us in developing them? Certainly the grand design Franz Josef Strauss had in mind (with much at his disposal as Federal Minister of Nuclear Energy, and later Defense Minister) demanded independence from the United States. And Germany's Dolphin submarines delivered to Israel, equipped to handle nuclear weapons, underscore German military capabilities, yet the United States continues to blindly promote their control of the European continent, oblivious to The Dangers in US-German European Policy. How many German plants in America are serving the interests of Germany's budding Fourth Reich? It's not only German factories and German businesses in America proving “that basic thoroughness of the orderly German” (Johannes Gross), since the secret Nazis had predetermined such a strategy, but bought and paid for American prostitutes in diverse and perverse positions of power aid and abet them! They expose our country to danger and will leave us infected as a nuclear wasteland! What is Germany hiding behind the mask? Even if skeptics dismiss the mystic relationship between Germany and the Vatican (both forging Europe into their image believing “the German spirit will heal the world” -Emanuel Geibel), and doubt the Bavarian pope is soon going to promote a particular strong man and platform to save Europe and the world from the threat of Islam, shouldn't those responsible for our national security seriously consider the scenario of a United States of Europe betraying us? Shouldn't the intelligence experts consider that possibility and prepare for it? Why suffer the element of surprise that Germany is infamous for? “The German is acquainted with the hidden paths to chaos...” (Nietzche). “...it is once again important to keep an eye on the German Proteus in an attempt to fathom the probable shape of things to come. What form will he assume next? After all, Germany is still le coeur de l'Europe” (Barzini). Is the German marshmallow about to mutate into the German monster? Will the EU mask come off and expose the beast? Will the heart be healthy for Europe or dark and dangerous?

[Carôusoul]

Things that make you go hmmmmm! Germany Behind the Mask: Monster or Marshmallow? Konrad Adenauer said the West was "taking a calculated risk" when they started rebuilding Germany after the Holocaust. Before that President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill agreed: "It is our inflexible purpose to destroy German militarism and Nazism and to ensure Germany will never again be able to disturb the peace of the world." Nevertheless, Helmut Schmidt reported Germany was again putting on "imperial airs," and author Bernard Conally wrote that France was struggling to "hold the old demons of Germany's character in check." Margaret Thatcher warned her deaf audience that "Germany is very powerful now - her national character is to dominate." Are they all just crying wolf? Or is the German beast about to devour again? Robert Locke is opposed to the increasingly fascist Europe (but doesn't believe Germany dominates it) stated: "I can't agree with you about Germany. It is a castrated PC marshmallow of a country, not a lion preparing to rule the world." Consider Luigi Barzini's reference to “The mutable Germans” in The Europeans where he questions: “Which is the shape of the German Proteus this morning? Which will be its shape tomorrow? Johannes Gross thinks his countrymen wear a mask. 'But the day may come when someone lifts the mask,” he wrote. “The face that appears may be less full-cheeked and rosy than today's... So long as we wear the mask, we remain hidden and continue to conceal the situation from ourselves.'” Ron Fraser (Is a World Dictator About to Appear?) exposes: “Although Germany is the prime mover in all these [European unification] efforts, in order to dispel any idea that the country may have expansionist intentions, these initiatives have generally been made under the cloak of being for the common good of the European Union.” This sentiment concurs with Bismarck, who wrote in his diary (Nov. 1876): “I have always heard politicians use the word “Europe” when they were making requests to other powers which they did not dare formulate in the name of their own country.” What is Germany hiding? Nuclear weapons? Who would be so foolish to imagine Germany without their own nuclear weapons when they were ahead of us in developing them? Certainly the grand design Franz Josef Strauss had in mind (with much at his disposal as Federal Minister of Nuclear Energy, and later Defense Minister) demanded independence from the United States. And Germany's Dolphin submarines delivered to Israel, equipped to handle nuclear weapons, underscore German military capabilities, yet the United States continues to blindly promote their control of the European continent, oblivious to The Dangers in US-German European Policy. How many German plants in America are serving the interests of Germany's budding Fourth Reich? It's not only German factories and German businesses in America proving “that basic thoroughness of the orderly German” (Johannes Gross), since the secret Nazis had predetermined such a strategy, but bought and paid for American prostitutes in diverse and perverse positions of power aid and abet them! They expose our country to danger and will leave us infected as a nuclear wasteland! What is Germany hiding behind the mask? Even if skeptics dismiss the mystic relationship between Germany and the Vatican (both forging Europe into their image believing “the German spirit will heal the world” -Emanuel Geibel), and doubt the Bavarian pope is soon going to promote a particular strong man and platform to save Europe and the world from the threat of Islam, shouldn't those responsible for our national security seriously consider the scenario of a United States of Europe betraying us? Shouldn't the intelligence experts consider that possibility and prepare for it? Why suffer the element of surprise that Germany is infamous for? “The German is acquainted with the hidden paths to chaos...” (Nietzche). “...it is once again important to keep an eye on the German Proteus in an attempt to fathom the probable shape of things to come. What form will he assume next? After all, Germany is still le coeur de l'Europe” (Barzini). Is the German marshmallow about to mutate into the German monster? Will the EU mask come off and expose the beast? Will the heart be healthy for Europe or dark and dangerous? dude.

[FOREVERLUCID]

dude. I know. Thanks.

[Serkat]

Can someone banhammer this guy? I found his rather unlettered scribblings about the German people bigoted and racist and I feel very much offended by it. (Actually I don't, but it would still be good to see him gone.) And when I say racist I am referring to the fact that generally genetic overlaps with national borders are pretty notable. Also insulting my culture. (Although the one guy was right in saying that Germany is a castrated PC marshmallow country. - Basically free speech ends where a group of people would be so offended that they will get violent. So essentially even before any extremists have done anything, we already suck their cocks by trying to create a society that is exactly as they want it to be. This is especially true for religion. So I can make fun of Jesus in a newspaper because Christians don't care, but I can't make fun of Muhammad because a bunch of Muslims would get so angry that they would get violent and shit. So instead of just letting me exercise free speech and banhammering anybody who can't live with democracy, they'd rather not let me exercise free speech and give special privileges to a select group of extremists and nutjobs. Which is why I hope that the USA don't eventually end up as a PC piece of shit country like half of Europe so I can go there some time and get the US constitution tattooed on my back (the German one is pretty shit in comparison, probably because the allies didn't want the Germans to go HADOUKEN on the world again by giving them freedom and shit like that.)).

[FOREVERLUCID]

Can someone banhammer this guy? I found his rather unlettered scribblings about the German people bigoted and racist and I feel very much offended by it. (Actually I don't, but it would still be good to see him gone.) And when I say racist I am referring to the fact that generally genetic overlaps with national borders are pretty notable. Also insulting my culture. (Although the one guy was right in saying that Germany is a castrated PC marshmallow country. - Basically free speech ends where a group of people would be so offended that they will get violent. So essentially even before any extremists have done anything, we already suck their cocks by trying to create a society that is exactly as they want it to be. This is especially true for religion. So I can make fun of Jesus in a newspaper because Christians don't care, but I can't make fun of Muhammad because a bunch of Muslims would get so angry that they would get violent and shit. So instead of just letting me exercise free speech and banhammering anybody who can't live with democracy, they'd rather not let me exercise free speech and give special privileges to a select group of extremists and nutjobs. Which is why I hope that the USA don't eventually end up as a PC piece of shit country like half of Europe so I can go there some time and get the US constitution tattooed on my back (the German one is pretty shit in comparison, probably because the allies didn't want the Germans to go HADOUKEN on the world again by giving them freedom and shit like that.)). Ahhheeeewwww, me sense a nerve a jiggling. Teee Heee Heee. You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it. Don't even try to test me guy!!Me

[FOREVERLUCID]

Can someone banhammer this guy? I found his rather unlettered scribblings about the German people bigoted and racist and I feel very much offended by it. (Actually I don't, but it would still be good to see him gone.) And when I say racist I am referring to the fact that generally genetic overlaps with national borders are pretty notable. Also insulting my culture. (Although the one guy was right in saying that Germany is a castrated PC marshmallow country. - Basically free speech ends where a group of people would be so offended that they will get violent. So essentially even before any extremists have done anything, we already suck their cocks by trying to create a society that is exactly as they want it to be. This is especially true for religion. So I can make fun of Jesus in a newspaper because Christians don't care, but I can't make fun of Muhammad because a bunch of Muslims would get so angry that they would get violent and shit. So instead of just letting me exercise free speech and banhammering anybody who can't live with democracy, they'd rather not let me exercise free speech and give special privileges to a select group of extremists and nutjobs. Which is why I hope that the USA don't eventually end up as a PC piece of shit country like half of Europe so I can go there some time and get the US constitution tattooed on my back (the German one is pretty shit in comparison, probably because the allies didn't want the Germans to go HADOUKEN on the world again by giving them freedom and shit like that.)). Oh by the way, it was your own countryman being so called racist and bigoted. Take it up with him!!! Hellooooo Johannes Gross thinks his countrymen wear a mask. 'But the day may come when someone lifts the mask,” he wrote. “The face that appears may be less full-cheeked and rosy than today's... So long as we wear the mask, we remain hidden and continue to conceal the situation from ourselves.'”

[FOREVERLUCID]

He is not being frightened. I mean fuck, he's German. What he is being is pissed off at you assuming you're awesome or revolutionary or a fucking enigma or some shit for saying the same shit as every other person here says every week, each time like they are the true mystic enlightment. Another thing that makes you go HMMMMMM. Even though it is from a nutbar Christian point of view, neverthelss it is intriguing the point of view they provide!! THE EU IS A GERMAN RUSE Bill Cash, MP, questions "The German Question" [The European Journal, April 2007] "of what and where is Europe?" when "Germany has not even established her own national identity, which remains strikingly unstable even after reunification... let alone found a directing principle which can hold the ramshackle European Union together...". Mr. Cash proceeds to warn: "Without radical change, the evolution of the EU would lead to a German Europe." He then proposes, challenging German ambitions: "The institutions and treaties reasoned under the terms of the Franco–German partnership need to be unravelled and renegotiated to support a simpler and freer association of nation states with national referendums on all existing treaties. A democratic answer to the German Question at last." The Germans have created and tolerated the charade of the EU. They have never intended to share power with untermenschen nations but have planned to methodically impose Germany's will, however slowly but surely, upon the continent by stealth. Even as the irascible Nazi-Muslims, the "Palestinians" - German agents of genocide against the Jews by proxy - patiently pursue their phased destruction of Israel (with collaboration from its purchased oligarchy), Germany will dispense of democracy as soon as it has served its purpose, outlived its exploitation, even as Adolf Hitler did once he consolidated power to himself. The world is in for a rude awakening: The EU is a German ruse. What will enable Germany to reveal their true colors? To exercise complete dominance over Europe? To gain the consent of the continent to be placed under total German control? An unprecedented crisis of sorts. Will Iran offer Germany this opportunity? Will Germany find itself fulfilled in its mission from God to save Europe by restoring the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"? Will the Vatican offer Germany this meaning and purpose and direction it presently lacks - at least publicly? Will the pope strongly promote Germany to rescue the world from Islam, by any means necessary, and get the masses eating out of his hand? Will The Atlantic Times address the German threat or leave it to others to lead? The German question demands a German answer, and such an answer is destined to take the world by surprise. The United States as world leader is history. Providence has so decreed Germany rules. Will Germany get it right this time? Or will the German-Jesuits require humbling by Asian instruments? And will all mankind demand divine deliverance?

[Carôusoul]

Oh by the way, it was your own countryman being so called racist and bigoted. Take it up with him!!! Hellooooo Johannes Gross thinks his countrymen wear a mask. 'But the day may come when someone lifts the mask,” he wrote. “The face that appears may be less full-cheeked and rosy than today's... So long as we wear the mask, we remain hidden and continue to conceal the situation from ourselves.'” Another thing that makes you go HMMMMMM. Even though it is from a nutbar Christian point of view, neverthelss it is intriguing the point of view they provide!! THE EU IS A GERMAN RUSE Bill Cash, MP, questions "The German Question" [The European Journal, April 2007] "of what and where is Europe?" when "Germany has not even established her own national identity, which remains strikingly unstable even after reunification... let alone found a directing principle which can hold the ramshackle European Union together...". Mr. Cash proceeds to warn: "Without radical change, the evolution of the EU would lead to a German Europe." He then proposes, challenging German ambitions: "The institutions and treaties reasoned under the terms of the Franco–German partnership need to be unravelled and renegotiated to support a simpler and freer association of nation states with national referendums on all existing treaties. A democratic answer to the German Question at last." The Germans have created and tolerated the charade of the EU. They have never intended to share power with untermenschen nations but have planned to methodically impose Germany's will, however slowly but surely, upon the continent by stealth. Even as the irascible Nazi-Muslims, the "Palestinians" - German agents of genocide against the Jews by proxy - patiently pursue their phased destruction of Israel (with collaboration from its purchased oligarchy), Germany will dispense of democracy as soon as it has served its purpose, outlived its exploitation, even as Adolf Hitler did once he consolidated power to himself. The world is in for a rude awakening: The EU is a German ruse. What will enable Germany to reveal their true colors? To exercise complete dominance over Europe? To gain the consent of the continent to be placed under total German control? An unprecedented crisis of sorts. Will Iran offer Germany this opportunity? Will Germany find itself fulfilled in its mission from God to save Europe by restoring the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"? Will the Vatican offer Germany this meaning and purpose and direction it presently lacks - at least publicly? Will the pope strongly promote Germany to rescue the world from Islam, by any means necessary, and get the masses eating out of his hand? Will The Atlantic Times address the German threat or leave it to others to lead? The German question demands a German answer, and such an answer is destined to take the world by surprise. The United States as world leader is history. Providence has so decreed Germany rules. Will Germany get it right this time? Or will the German-Jesuits require humbling by Asian instruments? And will all mankind demand divine deliverance? Ahhheeeewwww, me sense a nerve a jiggling. Teee Heee Heee. You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it. Don't even try to test me guy!!Me Seriously now shut the fuck up and leave. Don't reply to this in some smug fucking way. Just go.

[FOREVERLUCID]

Seriously now shut the fuck up and leave. Don't reply to this in some smug fucking way. Just go. I hit you with pretty good ones eh? E A O ba wa ba? That's all you can say? Don't like what I'm saying, then shut the fk up and move on. Like I said before, "Don't even try to test me".