My Girlfriend and I's bondage/torture debate

[Tavasion]

Somehow, we got onto this topic, and it turned into a long, loud philosophical debate. One side of the argument was that if a girl consents to all the acts that will be performed (such as being tied up, bound, gagged, spanked, whipped, and even the more hardcore stuff that i wont mention here), and the model is the legal age, and the acts themselves are not illegal, then it is allowable. If a person likes pain, and they are turned on by it, then it's okay. The other side is that this form of torture, even if consent is given, is wrong, and that's it. This side also states that violence against women, or even men, in any form, is un-allowable, even if consent is given. Also, that people who enjoy this, as in enjoy being hit, erotic asphyxiation, and all other forms of sexual or non sexual abuse, have some serious psychological problems. It was an intriguing argument, and i wanted to know what you thought on this issue. And i want both men and woman's thoughts on this.

[grasshoppa]

I don't like bondage porn personally. It's kind of fucked up to beat off to a girl crying and moaning at the same time while getting smacked in the face and choked... That's not to say I never have...

[Invader]

This side also states that violence against women, or even men, in any form, is un-allowable, even if consent is given. That's where the line is drawn. If someone gives consent, then all is done with. To say that people should not have the freedom to choose what can and cannot be done to them is ludicrous. Everyone, everyone, should be free to do with themselves what they wish.

[Universal Mind]

Yeah, if it's consentual, then it's okay, as long as you are not causing severe injuries and stuff. If she seriously wants you to cut off her arms, for example, talk to her family about committing her to a psychiatric hospital. Also, make sure she knows what she is doing and that you call it off if she decides into the action that she wants to quit.

[ninja9578]

Bondage is fun, I'll admit I have a few pairs of handcuffs and whips. Of course the handcuffs have safety releases and the business end of the whip is rubber, but it's still fun to handcuff her to the bed, blindfold her, and lick whipped creme off of her.

[Universal Mind]

Bondage is fun, I'll admit I have a few pairs of handcuffs and whips. Of course the handcuffs have safety releases and the business end of the whip is rubber, but it's still fun to handcuff her to the bed, blindfold her, and lick whipped creme off of her. I like doing it to her too.

[theyearthreethousand]

what happens in porn and a couples bedroom conflict slightly; because there is money involved in porn - so the person may give consent for certain acts to take place, but more than likely they suffer a great deal and do not enjoy it. I do think that's wrong.