Where the f*** did we come from?

[AirRick101]

There are a whole bunch of potential explanation, none of which I will abide by completely. I just look at our bodies, symmetrically beautiful, and all creatures come in 2 types, male and female. I can't believe this was a random mindless selection from single-celled organisms. Not to say that's a bad theory. The sky declares majestic order and natural beauty that is completely loving, and does not give a damn about anything in the universe... If random evolution was so, how come all the "monkeys" and "apes" around the world evolved at exactly the same time? Surely there should have been diversity, such as men and women who are only partially evolved right now...I know that evolution is proposed to last for millions of years...but has there been a slightest change from the earliest man known to now?? Also, look at the huge gap of superiority between man and the rest of the world. Man is like several hundreds times more advatangous than other species, though just as more dangerous within his own societies. It's just so weird...man is one of the physically weakest creatures, nearly defenseless by instinct (at least that's how people are these days), but collective intelligence surpasses the rest of the world soooo much...something to ponder. But the inner perfection of everything just makes me think of an instrinsic or divine source. I'm not interested in asserting that it's Christian, Catholic, Islam, or whatever. Divinity does not make any religion true by default. Plus, they are interpreted beyond literal face value, so who knows what kind of bullshit may run off bad interpretation (no offense...well, maybe a little ) I believe that all options must be investigated, you never know what treasure you will find. There must be something core that precedes the universe....

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by AirRick101+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AirRick101)</div> all creatures come in 2 types, male and female.[/b] That's untrue. It's called asexual reproduction. <!--QuoteBegin-I Recent studies indicate the first single celled organisms could have arisen much more easily than previously thought. A very unique type of clay has been discovered deep underwater near thermal vents in the ocean. When free nucleic acid molecules (quite common in nature) are mixed with the clay, the spontaneous formation of a primitive type of ribonucleic acid (RNA, a key part of most living cells) occurs. Even more surprisingly, when fatty acids are added to this mixture, they spontaneously form hollow spheres with the primitive RNA locked inside. These are the first steps toward creating a living cell. This clay proves that the formation of extremely complex molecules (like RNA) is not only possible but, in fact, relatively probable. That information comes from a recent issue of Scientific American.

[Flowstill]

This is the greatest mystery. I think that where we came from, must be some type of consciousness. You can say everything is chaotic and we evolved completely randomly and the certain external circumstances, created an inner balanced cirmucstance amongst all this chaos. Like you said though, if we look at the history of evolution, there's lots of strange gaps and unexplainables. Some think the original species came from outer space. A fungus of some sort (there are some molecular sized fungi that have a outer shell, far stronger than any spaceship we have created, and the capacity to survive through very long intencities.) So perhaps we are a evolution from fungi. Fungi is the only species with the characteristics of both plant and animal life. Although, than where did the fungi come from??? Or where did anything come from? It's all relative, but relative to what, and how? If it is all relative, we see that humans have the capacity to create, imagine. So perhaps, we are a closer image to what is higher than anyhthing else we are aware of. We are on a journey to become our own creators, our own imaginations. There is no thing, we are a part of the imagination of nothingness, vastness, infinite potential. I guess we are a dream.

[Alric]

Humans have two things going for them. One having an opposable thumb, and the other is their brain. There are other animals who have learned to use tools but something in humans got us to the next level. Once we cross over we just kept going farther and farther, faster and faster. Which is why we are where we are now.

[AirRick101]

Sorry, I nearly forgot about asexual creatures or ones that are both genders... I admit to know partial knowledge on evolution based on conversations and light reading. I think what science reveals is laws that are collectively agreed on to have always existed. About the alien thing...the question that science can never answer is where does matter come from? I don't care if it was at one time in a small, very dense point...but that's where realists are stuck. But I respect the big bang theory. Growing up in a religious environment, I've been conditioned to have an aversion to exclusive science. I realize that's why people give a spiritual answer such as consciousness, which is not practical, but an entertaining thought. I think life itself is very perplexing...just the idea that we have minds and wills...I picture it's either incredible that matter can make up minds...or that irrefutably, there is a higher intelligence behind it all...

[Flowstill]

I suggest you check out the movie, "what the (bleep) do we know?!?" It talks a lot about this stuff. It's actually mostly quantum physicists, and the idea of cosciousness, isn't that irrational. You see, we are all made of the same stuff, all matter if you magnify far enough, is all the same... Even if you go deeper into atoms, you'll find that it's pretty much all space. A rock on the quantum level, isn't any different you or me. This is where the idea of consciousness, or some form of imagined law comes into play. IF it's all the same on the quantum level, how it structures itself on the physical level shouldn't matter, meaning the idea of something imagining it, or all of us imagining it having this form, isn't that implausable.

[Taosaur]

My own view is that we make all this on a continuous basis, moment by moment. Every moment we create the world, lapse into void, and reagitate into apparent "being." By "we" I mean everything--all that we call existent, and all that we call non-existent. The Creator, the Beginning, the End, are all right here, now. Because that's all there is: now.

[Mystical_Journey]

[b][size=24]Mother Nature

[Joseph_Stalin]

brady's right in many ways. While the simple that we are talking through computers, through a complex mainframe of circuitry and wires, in a langauge is fucking incredible, we still cannot do many things better then animals. We cannot breathe underwater, we cannot see things a mile away, we cannot run 70 miles an hour, we cannot see in darkness, etc, etc. However, it can be safe to say that the human brain can create things to make up for these deficiences: oxygen tanks for underwater activites, binoculars and scopes for distance viewing, automobiles and trains for increased speed, nightvision, etc, etc. However, by creating an environment where we do not need to adapt and evolve to cope, like the one in progress now, we stunt evolution. By simply wearing glasses throughout generations, we eliminate the need for us to evolve with better vision. But glasses are not the entire factor. Take away the "perfect" environment we have, and put us in a natural state in the wild. Eventually, those without good vision will die, because they cannot hunt properly. It's darwinian evolution. We eliminate the defect, and are left with those without the defect. And in many, many generations, the defect is lost. In general, evolution is a very complicated manner. There are millions of billions of variables to account for in the process. Ice ages, continent shifts, droughts, etc. If I remember correctly, there were actually many more species of humans that we once thought. However, only the ready and adapting survive. This was a hypothesis to explain why there is only one species of human today (excluding the obvious extinction of the neantherthal and various cousins).

[jacobo]

we're just organized space dust.

[jacobo]

Originally posted by Joseph_Stalin brady's right in many ways. While the simple that we are talking through computers, through a complex mainframe of circuitry and wires, in a langauge is fucking incredible, we still cannot do many things better then animals. We cannot breathe underwater, we cannot see things a mile away, we cannot run 70 miles an hour, we cannot see in darkness, etc, etc. However, it can be safe to say that the human brain can create things to make up for these deficiences: oxygen tanks for underwater activites, binoculars and scopes for distance viewing, automobiles and trains for increased speed, nightvision, etc, etc. However, by creating an environment where we do not need to adapt and evolve to cope, like the one in progress now, we stunt evolution. By simply wearing glasses throughout generations, we eliminate the need for us to evolve with better vision. But glasses are not the entire factor. Take away the \"perfect\" environment we have, and put us in a natural state in the wild. Eventually, those without good vision will die, because they cannot hunt properly. It's darwinian evolution. We eliminate the defect, and are left with those without the defect. And in many, many generations, the defect is lost. In general, evolution is a very complicated manner. There are millions of billions of variables to account for in the process. Ice ages, continent shifts, droughts, etc. If I remember correctly, there were actually many more species of humans that we once thought. However, only the ready and adapting survive. This was a hypothesis to explain why there is only one species of human today (excluding the obvious extinction of the neantherthal and various cousins). you seem to think that we're evolving as a species. the glasses thing doesn't matter... people don't breed based on good vision. we're so intellectually past our counter parts that physical evolution has stopped.

[Haz]

Originally posted by adidas we're just organized space dust. stardust to be exact

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by adidas you seem to think that we're evolving as a species. the glasses thing doesn't matter... people don't breed based on good vision. we're so intellectually past our counter parts that physical evolution has stopped. Don't breed on vision? I guarantee that blind people "breed" less than people with perfect vision. Just as people without glasses "breed" more than people with glasses. Vision is a pretty weak example though, look at people with disabilities, people with disease (certain genes make people more suseptible to certain diseases). We may not conciously decide who our sexual partners should be based on these distinctions, but I assure you that this type of natural selection is still having an impact.

[nerve]

uranus

[sephiroth clock]

here's the story: monkey finds mushroom reaches new awareness learns to use tools and recognize patterns efficiently man evolves

[Joseph_Stalin]

What in the lord's name does a mushroom do to impact evolution?!

[AirRick101]

It does a helluva lot....a helluva lot.

[Joseph_Stalin]

Ahhh...caught that one

[freemind]

here's the story: * monkey finds mushroom * reaches new awareness * learns to use tools and recognize patterns efficiently * man evolves[/b] Isn't that in a movie called Altered states or somthing?

[Rakkantekimusouka]

The Source of All Life (TSOAL) -- hence the name.

[bradybaker]

That's a fancy name---keep on believing it. *pats Rakkkamannakeusky (sp?) on the back*

[Rakkantekimusouka]

Will do!

[freemind]

settle down now children 8)