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knight31
ok lets look at google scholar. You search google scholar for evolutionist, and it comes up around 30,000. So that's about the same. Intelligent design and evolutionary design actually have an equal amount of results. The term evolutionist is way different to the term 'evolution' which often discusses different topics that are completely different to the evolutionist debate. There is like 1,970,000 for the search term 'intelligent design' and 30,000 for creationism. That's jst in google scholar, but you should actually be looking in peer reviewed journals about it all.
That is because no one uses the term evolutionist. As for intelligent design, it come up with only 35,000 results. You have bad searching habits. If you search intelligent and design you get all results with those two separate words in them. If you put it in quotes "intelligent design" as one subject you only get 35,000 results.
So "intelligent design" and creationism has a total of 65,000 results and evolution has a several millions. It is pretty clear that intelligent design is way under represented because it isn't real science. If you check even more strict peer review libraries and stuff you will find creationism has even fewer compared to evolution.
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So this is a good example how you distort things to make out that your view is more prominent than it really is. Your view is also more specific than the evolutionary perspective, because you are claiming something that goes a beyond it, for example saying that we have evolved from monkeys, rather than just speaking in an evolutionary perspective or context, which is completely different. I could write about the evolutionary perspective but that's not to say I am claiming how we evolved. you have to make distinctions.
No you manipulated your results, through perhaps by accident, through poor searching techniques.
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Do you realize how many christian's have degree's that are contributing to the scientific literature? Tones. Knowledge about Biology is not the same as evolutionist beliefs and many are quite skeptical because they have nothing to go on that says we evolved from monkeys.
Even christian biologist pretty much all agree with evolution. There is almost no scientific literature on creationism, since creationism isn't real science. You are pretty much pulling that out of your ass, since everyone knows we evolved and it has been proven fact. In fact we know what we evolved from in great detail and there are fossil records to prove it.
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we are monkeys. To be more specific we are hominid or in the classification of the great apes. Though we actually know things in great detail. We evolved from Homo heidelbergensis 600,000 years ago, who evolved from Homo antecessor 800,000 to 1.2 million years ago, who evolved from Homo erectus 1.8 million years ago, who evolved from Homo habilis 2.3 million years ago. All of them were similar looking to modern humans.
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Dna is specific genetic patterns but it's the nature of the genetics I'm talking about, it's design. A extra chromosome it's a mistaken repetition not more complex detail. It's not just chemicals that you need to be concerned about. The structure of a cell. Like the actual working of a cell in a body, go look it up. DNA just gives some information on the pattern of the genetics, it doesn't tell us biologically what everything does, we haven't even figured that out about that but they are getting more detailed in their analysis which is allowing them to genetically engineer more. We don't even fully know the details of what dna structure does. It's not as simple as things repeating.
It is funny that you point the structure of cells because the structure of the cells within the bacteria changed in the experiment I posted earlier. So I actually already proved that the structure of the cells can change. I also proved that extra sequences can be added to the length of dna. So basically I already proved that you can change things in several ways, yet you keep insisting that things can not change? Why is that? I proved they can change.
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But like computer code, it can't write itself. Computers don't write their own code do they? Someone has to code it. There needs to be intelligence enough in the genetics to modify more complexity, mutations or genetic errors don't achieve that anymore than computer errors can write coding. A computer doesn't have the ability to re-program itself without assistance. A computer can't come up with a HTML code for a website without a programmer knowing what they are doing. Likewise bacteria doesn't understand how to become more complex into a human, and it will never understand it in a trillion years because it can't do it. The structure of our cells that makes us a living being enough to be able to write and discuss this, is so complex that it couldn't arrange itself on it's own. Some other intelligence has to code it just like you have to code your software program before it will run. Once the software is designed, then yes it can perform the functions it was designed to perform, but it can't go beyond what it was created to do without a designer that can assist with that. The entire universe is so specifically tuned to life, that it makes your argument look ridiculous!
You are just making assumptions that are not based on facts or logic. You assume that changes can't occur randomly yet all the evidence seems to suggest that they can and do happen random. I already proved that with the bacteria that changed on it's own. You claim that the environment changed it but the environment isn't an intelligent designer is it? Your position is inconsistent.
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I mean just because a computer reads in 1's and 0's, doesn't mean that it's coding is simple or repeating because there is infinite number of ways 1's and 0's can be applied. The same goes for DNA programming.
Yea but you are not programming complex things. You are programming extremely simple things, then making minor changes over time. You seem to think humans jump into existence but that is your theory which is driven by magic. In evolution, an actual scientific theory, life started as simple single cell organisms. These microscopic organisms are extremely simple and over time they changed. You are not starting from scratch you are building up on what you already have.
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The raging debate between evolutionist theory and common sense has now spawned something called the multiple words theory. And this is where it gets funny, because it leads back to what creationist are saying all along anyway. This multiple words theory is something evolutionist have thought up to try and increase their odds that their theory could possibly have some probability to it. The only problem is the introduction of multiple worlds apart from proving their existence, is that it include's a world where god exists as ruler. So it's just leading back to intelligent design like it always does.
Umm no, that isn't true at all. You basically just pulled that out of your ass. There are some theories about other worlds and stuff but it has nothing at all to do with evolution or god, or intelligent design. Also there is no real debate in the scientific world, everyone knows evolution is true.