Whats the point?

**cooter** · 11-15-2005 10:55 AM

Of living? Of anything? Anything at all... things you do during the day, things you aspire to and learn from. You are going to die anyway, arent you? And if you are a heathen, what becomes of you at death? Nothing pleasant, from what I hear. Therefore, due to my relative disbelief in god, I am going to do a whole lot of completely pointless shit that doesnt matter at all just to suffer eternally. Whats going to become of my great accomplishments? From what I hear, nothing. Nada. I'm going to suffer eternally for my upbringing and my life's work is waste. To trust science is horrifying - if you take it as faith then its worse than eteral suffering.

What am I to believe?

**irishcream** · 11-15-2005 04:29 PM

The point?
To have a bloody good time and then die knowing you haven't wasted your life worrying about what the point is.
I see where you're coming from, but for my part, i couldn't care less.
I'm just out to make the most of it.

**Krrish** · 11-15-2005 05:11 PM

What about life after death ?

**irishcream** · 11-15-2005 05:53 PM

Hmm, i don't believe in life after death. Korothism, i see you are from Kerala. I've met some nice people from there!

**Awaken4e1** · 11-15-2005 10:32 PM

Originally posted by cooter
Of living? Of anything? Anything at all... things you do during the day, things you aspire to and learn from. You are going to die anyway, arent you? And if you are a heathen, what becomes of you at death? Nothing pleasant, from what I hear. Therefore, due to my relative disbelief in god, I am going to do a whole lot of completely pointless shit that doesnt matter at all just to suffer eternally. Whats going to become of my great accomplishments? From what I hear, nothing. Nada. I'm going to suffer eternally for my upbringing and my life's work is waste. To trust science is horrifying - if you take it as faith then its worse than eteral suffering.

What am I to believe?

The point is! That not all that you’ve heard is true, God does not judge for eternity. Judgment is only as long as is needed by the offender. And not one second longer, only man’s concept of judgment is that it is eternal, when the Word tells us it is only for a measured span of time (forever, and everlasting) are chronologically based measurements of time, they are not Eternity. If it where, it would have no need to state twice in various scriptures. Forever, and ever, from everlasting to everlasting it is a measurement of an age, not eternity. As well as the term everlasting it is the measurement of time, and not eternity.

Hab 1:4 Therefore doth law cease, And judgment doth not go forth for ever, For the wicked is compassing the righteous, Therefore wrong judgment goeth forth.

Mic 7:18 Who is a God like Thee? taking away iniquity, And passing by the transgression of the remnant of His inheritance, He hath not retained for ever His anger, Because He--He delighteth in kindness.
Rev 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night--to the ages of the ages.

God’s judgment is not, and has never been eternal, but to those upon whom it is passed it is as eternity in is experience.

The Rev.

**Raz** · 11-15-2005 11:22 PM

Originally posted by cooter
Of living? Of anything? Anything at all... things you do during the day, things you aspire to and learn from. You are going to die anyway, arent you? And if you are a heathen, what becomes of you at death? Nothing pleasant, from what I hear. Therefore, due to my relative disbelief in god, I am going to do a whole lot of completely pointless shit that doesnt matter at all just to suffer eternally. Whats going to become of my great accomplishments? From what I hear, nothing. Nada. I'm going to suffer eternally for my upbringing and my life's work is waste. To trust science is horrifying - if you take it as faith then its worse than eteral suffering.

What am I to believe?

I used to wonder that and not realy care... I had such a amazing life... After my near death exp I came to the following conclusion that I do not present to you as a fact but as something to consider and do with what you wish...

I belive that when we die we become our life experiance. All the feelings we have experianced. Life is about learning and questioning. In a world where logic is only limeted by fantesies it can become a scary nightmare if you are not in controle. I belive our bodys and our experiance enable us to grow. All things on earth is physicly conected as one. Why not spiritualy as well? When I nearly died I think I got to feel what it was like beeing part of that whole... If only for a moment. Earth is one... part of meny.. I have never been religious b4... But I belive earth is like a egg going through stages of development. With a god waiting to be born.

What came 1st? the hen or the egg? I now belive it must have been the egg...

So live and experiance! Feel... You are the center of your reality and you are in controle of this dream we all share and call life... But dont dream that you are living... Live your dreams...

Alot of people would lable this new age. I dont know what to lable it... This is what I have come to belive on my own acord trough things I have experianced...

What ever is the truth there is no point in not enjoying life...

**Krrish** · 11-16-2005 03:42 PM

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Hmm, i don't believe in life after death.[/b]

But I believe. Are you ready for a discussion ?

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Korothism, i see you are from Kerala. *I've met some nice people from there!

Thank you. Have you come to kerala or some Keralites came there ?

**R.Carter** · 11-16-2005 04:54 PM

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But I believe. quote]

After being brought up Roman Catholic and now having no faith in religion or belief in God (sorry Grandma ! ) I'd be curious to hear your ideas concearning the afterlife.

**Krrish** · 11-16-2005 05:12 PM

Instead of ctrl+c and ctrl+v . I just give you link to another page which will be the prerequisite for our discussion. Dont follow any further links in that page.

The Afterlife according to Swami Vivekananda

**InTheMoment** · 11-16-2005 07:18 PM

The Vedanta philosophy sounds like an intricate spin on reincarnation. Also the article describes this belief system as a philosophy and then later labels it a mythology; which I found a bit odd.

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This Jiva, according to the Vedanta philosophy, is eternal just as God is eternal.[/b]

In our mythology it is said there are demons who sometimes trouble the gods.[/b]

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I also disagree with the following statement...

Its organ of speech enters the mind. You cannot think without words. Wherever there is thought, there must be words.[/b]

So does this mean that a person born blind and deaf cannot think?

So after their reward is finished, they fall down again, come through the clouds, through the rains, and thus get into some grain or plant and find their way into the human body, when the grain or plant is eaten by men.[/b]

Wouldn't it be more simple to just enter the human body through the air/lungs and just bypass the whole grain/plant ingesting step? Or maybe demons have trouble entering the body through the Respiratory System?

**dreamdancer** · 11-16-2005 07:33 PM

Hey--

Do you have to "believe" in re-cycling in order to accept that it happens?

If everything else on this planet is made of the same stuff as we are--carbon mostly, and lots of other things like minerals and amino acids--and we accept that all of THAT stuff goes around and around again, combining and recombining itself in an infinite variety of forms--why the heck are we so primed to believe that, conciousness--possibly the one thing that makes us human and self-aware--just fades away into nothingness at the time of death or, (even sillier) goes to some lovely garden called "Heaven", or some equally silly awful and ugly place called, "Hell"?

We re-cycle. And that includes our so-called, "special" conciousness. And, human conciousness goes to make a human; pig conciousness makes pigs, etc. Why is that so hard to get? No God; no specialness. Let's face it--some people are pigs....guess who they get to be the next round? It's just physics, folks.

The good news is, you can make yourself better and you can be the best a human being can be--wise, compassionate, intelligent, creative, illuminated. You have total free choice in this--based in part of what you inherited from your parents and even from your past "self", but mostly, Free Choice. And that means this life is a gift--no matter how you look at it--and every moment is yours to either waste or utilize to the fullest, richest measurement of what it means to be alive.