Will the state of man ever change to a higher level of being

[Awaken4e1]

If so what will He be like?

[R.Carter]

A logical atheist , if there's to be any hope for the human race.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by R.Carter A logical atheist , if there's to be any hope for the human race. Hope is not an act of an Atheist, so how can there be any? Hope is an act of a Christian, or more important a act of faith. Where is all that evolutional jargon you guys are always talking about? Come on use that massive brain 'nobody' gave you...

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 Hope is not an act of an Atheist, so how can there be any? Hope is an act of a Christian, or more important a act of faith. Where is all that evolutional jargon you guys are always talking about? Come on use that massive brain 'nobody' gave you... I'm a hopeful, optimistic person.

[Ex Nine]

Definitely not a theist. But, hopefully he (or she, try including gender neutral terms Awaken to be more inclusive and less pompous) will have no need for atheism either. Because one only needs atheism around a mass of theists. So, the higher level of being for humankind (use that word more often, Awaken, humankind) will be a level where it will not be necessary to suffer the presence of theists by calling one's self an atheist. Without theists, one has no reason to be an atheist. Instead, one can simply be.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by Ex Nine Definitely not a theist. But, hopefully he (or she, try including gender neutral terms Awaken to be more inclusive and less pompous) will have no need for atheism either. Because one only needs atheism around a mass of theists. So, the higher level of being for humankind (use that word more often, Awaken, humankind) will be a level where it will not be necessary to suffer the presence of theists by calling one's self an atheist. Without theists, one has no reason to be an atheist. Instead, one can simply be. You guys may need to reevaluate your Atheistic beliefs if you continue to express 'Hope' Heb 11:1 And faith is of things hoped for a confidence, of matters not seen a conviction,

[bradybaker]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 You guys may need to reevaluate your Atheistic beliefs if you continue to express 'Hope' Heb 11:1 And faith is of things hoped for a confidence, of matters not seen a conviction, Regardless of what the Bible may have suggested, hope and faith have nothing to do with one another.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by bradybaker Regardless of what the Bible may have suggested, hope and faith have nothing to do with one another. And what would your collaborative evidence be, disproving the Bible's assertions?

[Awaken4e1]

This is Man's true nature! Heb 2:5 For not to messengers did He subject the coming world, concerning which we speak, Heb 2:6 and one in a certain place did testify fully, saying, `What is man, that Thou art mindful of him, or a son of man, that Thou dost look after him? Heb 2:7 Thou didst make him some little less than messengers, with glory and honour Thou didst crown him, and didst set him over the works of Thy hands, Heb 2:8 all things Thou didst put in subjection under his feet,' for in the subjecting to him the all things, nothing did He leave to him unsubjected, and now not yet do we see the all things subjected to him, Heb 2:9 and him who was made some little less than messengers we see--Jesus--because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.

[Ex Nine]

Well, Awaken, since you seem to love the dictionary as much as the Bible. From my OED hope noun 1 a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen faith noun 1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something As you can see, hope cannot be misplaced, since it's just a feeling. Faith, however, goes beyond feelings and can be misplaced. And, Awaken, I think you were making real progress before, quoting the dictionary and not the bible. It brings you closer to today's parlance and will help far more people understand you.

[ptahsokar]

Originally posted by The Rev Will the state of man ever change to a higher level of being? EVERY DAY, BAAAAY-BEEE! EVERY DAMNED DAY! I just keep getting better and better. Its just the sliver of an atom's diameter daily, but it adds up over time. Kind of like how a running toilet will drain an ocean if you give it long enought. Everybody else is doing it too. Slip ups here and there, but you've got to look at it from God's point of view, The Eternal Now. I am The Evolver.

[Nirvana Starseed]

A logical atheist[/b] Now theres an oxymoron. They don't include the word moron for nothing.

[Leo Volont]

We have a tradition of recognizing such beings in India, where they are called Avatars and Sadgurus. My favorite instance of such a Person is Sai Baba of Shirdi (not be be confused with Sai Baba of Puttaparti who is a fake who stole the name Sai Baba to steal of the prestige of that Name)... here is a website: http://www.saibaba.org/saisatc.html Then there is another favorite -- Ramakrishna -- something of a personal favorite because I once saw him in Dream in which he represented the Cosmic Christ Consciousness. Here is his website: http://www.ramakrishna.org/rmk.htm I had also seen old Shirdi Sai Baba in Dreams, but that was more in the line of dry instruction. I'm not entirely sure that the World is now without a single really decent Avataric Sadguru. But the lack can't be suffered for long. In the Bhagavad Gita it is said that an Avatar will appear whenever the World is collapsed into Evil. Certainly, with all of the Republicans and Tories now in charge of the World, we can't help but to suppose the qualification of the basest Evil is now quite met. Why, I should expect the next Avatar any minute now.

[Ex Nine]

And here I am!

[Nirvana Starseed]

Originally posted by Leo+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo)</div> Why, I should expect the next Avatar any minute now.[/b] <!--QuoteBegin-Exnine And here I am! You wish.

[Alex D]

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Ex Nine And here I am! Well, perhaps that 15 year old boy in Nepal who doesn't eat... he shows alittle promise.

[Awaken4e1]

Will some one be brave enough to truly answer my question? For those Atheists, let me ask it in your own language, Will man ever evolve? Please be specific...

[Citrusponge]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 For those Atheists, let me ask it in your own language, Will man ever evolve? Please be specific... Yes. I believe so. But I assume you'll want a meatier answer than that. I doubt humans will further progress by evolving the old-fashioned way (natural selection). But instead with crazy new technology like human genetic engineering, brain uploading, and allsorts of that good sci-fi-like stuff.

[Ex Nine]

Awaken, I already told you! I'm giving you the secrets of heaven, here, and you know I am. Heaven is when you've reached a state of communion with God which is so purifying and total that you no longer need Him and He no longer exists. That's because you no longer need what will forever be yours. Congratulations. You're an atheist. When you accept heaven totally, you cease to become a theist. You, like all theists, are afraid of God's love, and of being responsible for ultimate power. You think you have accepted him but you haven't. Instead you have accepted a feeling, a kind of drug, and one that causes hallucinations. In a way you have done the opposite and are evil. You have not accepted God's love, and his power. Instead, you have accepted that you are powerless, and grovel before a King, very much how Satan would expect you to grovel before him. Should you accept God's love and cease to become a theist, what do you become? You are not anything in particular. There is no name for a way that allows one to go beyond their limits in creativity and power. Instead it is distinguished by what it is not, like the word "unlimited." That is the word, "atheist." The state of human kind will change when there is no more evil theism. When all the theists disappear, at that point, there will be no more atheists. There will be no more need for people to be atheists! Instead, they can just simply be the life-forms that they are. The only reason there are atheists is because of people like you. Once people like you either die or evolve, evil will die, there will be no more atheists, and the state of humankind will take a grand and wonderful paradigm shift. Now, I'm perfectly willing to help you escape from evil. Practice your critical thinking, and practice a form of art other than poetry, for heaven's sake. You'll be well on your way.

[Awaken4e1]

The next step from being a Theist, is being as his Father is Divine...(God's Offspring) Everything after its own kind...So, God produces what man?, no, He produces (God) in His Image...

[Nirvana Starseed]

Originally posted by awaken Will some one be brave enough to truly answer my question? While the current state of man is something that is found where the sun don't shine. When it is understood how the serpent is to be removed from here. Man will reach a higher level of being, discarding the serpent, and the sun shall shine out of that place where once darkness dwelled. For those on the board of limited understanding about the nature of humanity's evolution I have constructed a diagram: Now: Later:

[Leo Volont]

People need to keep in mind that one of the most powerful tools of Evolutionary Selection is near extinction. For Humanity to evolve we really do need a Catastrophic Event which will kill off everybody but those most fit to survive in whatever World remains afterward. AIDS seems like a very good Evolutionary Filter. Those who can't live without indiscriminate anal intercourse are eliminated from the Future. It really is a Higher Person who can refrain from anal intercourse for the sake of his tomorrow -- all delayed and suspended gratification is intrinsically more Spiritual than animal indulgence. I am honestly surprised that AIDS has impacted India so extensively. I rather thought better of that population, that the land of Spiritual Philosophy had a higher view than that of disregarding the obvious risks in exchange for the low pleasures of anal intercourse, which understandably is too great a temptation for the ordinary African to forego -- a cynical thought, but well proven out by the demographic facts.

[Citrusponge]

AIDS is spreading via ordinary heterosexual sex too.

[Ynot]

Originally posted by Citrusponge AIDS is spreading via ordinary heterosexual sex too. err...yeah...spreading way far more wildly than through homosexual acts Will man evolve? well, evolution is happening all the time every child born, every 1 life created from 2 different sources it's just incredibly slow (except once every few millenia - when evolution leaps forward ) What you should be worried about, is what happens if man doesn't evolve (or evolve properly) take pure breed dogs, for example the proper, natural, in-the-wild scenario is that all dogs are game hence mongrels but man's need to fiddle with future offspring far pre-dates modern genetics Instead, we controlled appearance and behaviour through controlled breeding So.... 1 in 6 Dalmations are deaf Pit-bulls are naturally (hahaha, irony lives !! ) aggressive Boxers have nasal restriction problems Will humans evolve? Well, god help us if we don't