Religion and evidence

**wendylove** · 12-19-2007 06:37 PM

Alot of people support creationism, however I guess that not a good thing. See creationism is not science, it makes no prediction and is not falsfiable. Well, you might be saying, but wendy evolution is false, however problems with evolution don't provide evidence for creationism.

See once, evolution does anwser the question creationist move the goal post.

So evolution is false, so creationism must be correct. So what the predictions from creationist? how can you disprove creationism? both anwsers are no. Creationism is not a theory, it is a belife.

It a shame that most people who support creationism, have just a few ideas of what evolution actually is. Most of their ideas are this, evolution has holes in it and this disproves evolution so creationism must be correct. Yet, do they know the prediction that creationist have made? how much prediction came true?

See, religion and belife in god survives because you can bend your belifes and don't have to look at the evidence. See god, is not a scientific theory, which means that you have no evidence for a belife in god. All, you can have is blind faith. However, faith and reality is two different things.

I guess when a person preys to god all their really doing is closing theirself of from reality. As once, you believe in creationism no amount of evidence will ever disprove you and you don't have to make any claims or prediction. You just sit their knowing evolution is wrong.

Back in reality, science is moving on. Shame the big bang and quantum mechanics even the theory of evolution itself is beautiful. When we know the theory of everything, like string theory. Again, when the theory of everything is discovered, which it getting closer their is proberly going to be no room for god in reality. However, religious people will still worship a imaginary being.

**StephenT** · 12-19-2007 07:54 PM

The random commas throw me off...

I like your avatar though.

One of my favorite movies.

**wendylove** · 12-19-2007 08:03 PM

The random commas throw me off...

I like your avatar though.

One of my favorite movies.

Yeah, Stanley Kubrick. I like the 2001 space odessy opening, when the apes become human.

**StephenT** · 12-19-2007 08:08 PM

I need to rewatch 2001 A Space Oddity... only really seen bits and pieces.

A Clockwork Orange though... oh yeah.

**Jeremysr** · 12-20-2007 12:08 AM

There is evidence for God. The Bible has prophecies that came true, even recently, and are still coming true. For example it said that the people of Israel would scatter all over the world, and then come back together to form the nation of Israel again. That happened about 60 years ago, and was very unlikely to happen (no other nation has ever done that.) Also there was a prophecy that said that everyone in the world would be able to witness an event. This can happen with television and Internet now but seemed impossible to the person who made the prophecy (which came from God.) Those are just two prophecies.

He's also answered all sorts of prayers that were very unlikely to happen without him. And I know of people who prayed about something, then another person felt that God was wanting them to do something, which answered the person's prayer almost right away (it was something very very unlikely, and the other person didn't know about the prayer until later.) But these things are evidence for me, I doubt anyone else will be affected by them unless it happens to them.

By the way, I think that disproving evolution doesn't prove God and proving evolution doesn't disprove God. I don't see why people who believe in creationism have to not believe in evolution.

**MontyFlatts** · 12-20-2007 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

There is evidence for God. The Bible has prophecies that came true, even recently, and are still coming true. For example it said that the people of Israel would scatter all over the world, and then come back together to form the nation of Israel again. That happened about 60 years ago, and was very unlikely to happen (no other nation has ever done that.) Also there was a prophecy that said that everyone in the world would be able to witness an event. This can happen with television and Internet now but seemed impossible to the person who made the prophecy (which came from God.) Those are just two prophecies.

People like you give Christians a bad name. Just a note to people reading this: not all Christians understand logic as little as this kid. (Wait, is this the same bible that gave pi's value as 3?)

That said, I suppose you would say we should worship Nostradamus because a few of his hundreds of predictions "came true"?

(Btw, I am not against Christianity, just against ignorance.)

**Jeremysr** · 12-20-2007 03:30 AM

I'm not sure what you mean... are you saying that that isn't evidence for God?

**Needcatscan** · 12-20-2007 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

I'm not sure what you mean... are you saying that that isn't evidence for God?

Not to be mean, but. . .

Ding ding ding! What do we have for him Johnny????

All sarcasm aside, check out how many prophecies a bunch of other gods and goddesses fulfilled that only Jesus was supposed to fulfill to prove he was the son of god. A good documentary (well, the first half anyway) is The God Who Wasn't There, which outlines these.

As far as Israel being scattered and blah blah blah, that's always the one sited when it comes to prophecies of today's age. But like the other guy said, I'm sure some of Nostradomus' predictions came true as well.

**Kromoh** · 12-20-2007 06:31 AM

Didn't mind to read it all, I'm sleepy heh

But I agree with wendylove on this one.

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Jeremysr, most people that believe in creationism automatically exclude volution because it's not what is said in their dogmas (the bible for example never mentioned that bacteria evolved into human beings). I agree with you that evolution doesn't disproove creationism (afterall god, if existant, must be really clever), but it disprooves biblical creationism.

I don't really like the predictions thing, because if you bend interpretation a little, anything can look like a prophecy that was true. especially when all those silly religious peopel fit facts into their beliefs and not otherwise (which is extremely unscientifical). If the Bible does have prophecies why do they only show up after things happen? Why can't anyone predict things before they happen?

I can write myself "a war between great lords of power shall commence when the full moon shows bright in the sky". Whenever a new war begins, people will bend the facts to fit that prophecy and say it was predicted. Yeah, human beings are THAT silly.

**Jeremysr** · 12-20-2007 06:46 AM

Here is where it says one of the prophecies I mentioned. It was written thousands of years ago and was not vague. And at the time it was written, Israel had divided into two kingdoms, which were conquered and many people were forced into exile.

Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

Go here for more prophecies about Israel: http://100prophecies.org/page3.htm