Abortion Is Ok

[becomingagodo]

Well thinking for about three second i go to conclude it ok. since if you do believe in god and soul e.t.c. then when the baby dies it goes to heaven which is meant to be a good place. The woman who aborts baby goes in limbo intill she repent her sin then join baby in heaven so it all ok. if she does not believe in god e.t.c the foetus dies it has no soul the person has no soul they carry on life intill they die better off because they have more oppurtunity and dont need to provide for a child.

[Keeper]

there is litterally no difference in killing a one year old baby and killing a baby in the womb it is murder in all incarnations, and science proovs this

[becomingagodo]

there is litterally no difference in killing a one year old baby and killing a baby in the womb it is murder in all incarnations, and science proovs this [/b] i dont understand isnt being with god better then living in a ghetto with no food no future and your proberly end up dead would it be better to spare the child the pain.

[Ne-yo]

i dont understand isnt being with god better then living in a ghetto with no food no future and your proberly end up dead would it be better to spare the child the pain. [/b] Well being with God would be better if you were actually going to be with God.

[becomingagodo]

Well being with God would be better if you were actually going to be with God. [/b] so aborted childern dont go to heaven. sound sick to me that god would do that.

[Ne-yo]

so aborted childern dont go to heaven. sound sick to me that god would do that. [/b] Nope they sure don't Sorry you feel it's sick but that's just the way it is.

[Keeper]

when you die you sleep then, Judgement becomes wake up time

[becomingagodo]

Nope they sure don't Sorry you feel it's sick but that's just the way it is. [/b] Well it sound cruel that god should punish someone if it was not their fault. would you beat a blind man if he was born blind would you punish a disabled child because he was born disabled.

[Ne-yo]

Well it sound cruel that god should punish someone if it was not their fault. would you beat a blind man if he was born blind would you punish a disabled child because he was born disabled. [/b] Would you?

[becomingagodo]

Would you? [/b] No

[Ne-yo]

I wouldn't either.

[Neruo]

there is litterally no difference in killing a one year old baby and killing a baby in the womb it is murder in all incarnations, and science proovs this [/b] Yeah sure there is no difference between some 2 inch foutuses in the womb and grown babies, because those grown babies also have no brain activity. Oh wait, that is just YOU - Really, abortion is fine.

[Tsen]

Nope they sure don't Sorry you feel it's sick but that's just the way it is. [/b] You've got one messed up, masochistic and unjust gawd you've created there, Ne-Yo.

[mooltootie]

It's to do with personhood. If a creature has suffient sentience then it can be considered a person and therefor we should not kill it. A foetus is in my opinion unaware of it's surroundings, unaware of itself. you are not taking anything from it by killing it - it has no self conception. This is the same reason why i think it is ok to kill certain aniamls of low mental capacity - they have no mental life that has hopes, memories or thoughts, and so if they dies there is no awareness being extinguished... Another interesting thought for all those anti abortionists out there - for every successful birth a woman she has something like 3 (or so i can't exactly remember) conceptions that miscarry. These foetuses die from natural causes, and often the woman did not even know that she was pregnant. Isn't the death of this foetus equally as bad as the death from an abortion? It is the death of a human foetus, same as what happens in abortion.. And if so then there is a horrific number of deaths happening constantly, innocent human babies probably falling into the loo without any ackowledgement - way more than the number of abortions. What should we do about that? I think it's better to have an abortion, rather than give birth to a child who will not be able to be taken care of.. there are so many kids in the world already f*cked because of their circumstances. Not to mention many young women who's lives are changed for the worse because they now have a baby to take care of, no partner or father to help (who know's were he has gone) and no social support :yumdumdoodledum:

[Howie]

Well thinking for about three second i go to conclude it ok. since if you do believe in god and soul e.t.c. then when the baby dies it goes to heaven which is meant to be a good place. The woman who aborts baby goes in limbo intill she repent her sin then join baby in heaven so it all ok. if she does not believe in god e.t.c the foetus dies it has no soul the person has no soul they carry on life intill they die better off because they have more oppurtunity and dont need to provide for a child. [/b] That is the deepest most intelligent post I have ever read.

[Universal Mind]

there is litterally no difference in killing a one year old baby and killing a baby in the womb it is murder in all incarnations, and science proovs this [/b] A fetus does not have the neurons necessary for consciousness until around the beginning of the third trimester. Up to that point, it has the consciousness of a pile of dirt. How is killing something with the consciousness of dirt the same as killing a one year old baby?

[Vespertine]

I believe in choice. It's up to the person/people going through it. Would I abort? If doctors recommended it, yes. If it was my own fault, no. Would I chastise a woman who chose differently? No.

[The Blue Meanie]

What really gets me about the whole abortion debate, is that the debate is centered around getting the government to allow or disallow abortion. Instead of convincing the government to make decisions for the populace, why don't you leave it to the individuals concerned to decide for themselves? If you want to try to convince them one way or the other, fine. But, what the f%$& role does the government have in regulating such matters? It makes about as much sense as the government making condomns compulsory or illegal, or making anal sex a crime.

[Burns]

Instead of convincing the government to make decisions for the populace, why don't you leave it to the individuals concerned to decide for themselves? If you want to try to convince them one way or the other, fine. But, what the f%$& role does the government have in regulating such matters? It makes about as much sense as the government making condomns compulsory or illegal, or making anal sex a crime.[/b] *nods in agreement*

[TweaK]

Well thinking for about three second i go to conclude it ok. since if you do believe in god and soul e.t.c. then when the baby dies it goes to heaven which is meant to be a good place. The woman who aborts baby goes in limbo intill she repent her sin then join baby in heaven so it all ok. if she does not believe in god e.t.c the foetus dies it has no soul the person has no soul they carry on life intill they die better off because they have more oppurtunity and dont need to provide for a child. [/b] After thinking for about three seconds, I have decided not to make a remark I would really like to make right now. Good day to you sir. EDIT! Hah, after thinking it over for 3 whole seconds, I've decided to make a remark (not the one I'd like to make, but a more intelligent one). i dont understand isnt being with god better then living in a ghetto with no food no future and your proberly end up dead would it be better to spare the child the pain.[/b] Here, you say "being with God is better than living in a ghetto". Right. I thought you thought religion was madness?

[Kaniaz]

Instead of convincing the government to make decisions for the populace, why don't you leave it to the individuals concerned to decide for themselves?[/b] Because the government has a responsibility to protect what could be life, in all its forms? I mean, sure, we could leave it up to the people, but that's like the government just standing back and letting them murder children - depending on your viewpoint. It sure wouldn't be a very conscientious government if it just thought "hey, let's leave it all up to the people", at least not in my opinion. I see your point, though - it's something in your body that you've made, so to some degree it's your decision. In that sense the government looks like an interfering old crone. Then again, that kind of sounds like you're saying the foetus is your 'property', which by and large I don't think it is (at least the foetus would have something to say about that). And rather it interfered where there's a possibility of injustice than just shrugging it shoulders. And, of course, that's where the argument is: is "it" life or not? Is the foetus an "it" or a little girl with all that potential? If it is, then, well, frankly, it's got to be illegal to have it aborted. At what point do you say it's "alive"? If it's in your womb, you can abort it, but the second it's born it's suddenly that much more qualified? So does a week make all the difference? A month? The fact this little brainwave machine registers something? If it isn't 'alive' as we know it, then, well, it doesn't matter so much (although if you still feel that pang of conscience there's no reason for you to abort the foetus anyway). Then it would be legal and perhaps promoted to some degree. I'm generally against abortion myself, but not for religious reasons. I just think it's better to err on the side of caution when it comes to protecting life. I know I would've been pretty ticked off if someone decided I had to be aborted because I didn't fit their personal definition of 'life' - which could be a heap of crap. It makes about as much sense as the government making condomns [sic] compulsory or illegal, or making anal sex a crime.[/b] This I think is different. There's no life involved. This should be entirely your decision with absolutely no doubt about it, but unfortunately, as much as I wish it were otherwise, the government is controlled by the populace and a whole lot of the populace seem to think it's their position to say what you can and can't use. Being as they're the voters, you see how it goes down.

[Neruo]

I know I would've been pretty ticked off if someone decided I had to be aborted because I didn't fit their personal definition of 'life' - which could be a heap of crap. [/b] That is a really weak argument. I understand that you say that now, but that is just your instictive love for life, fear for death talking. Everyone has that. But if you look at it objectively, you couldn't care a shit if you were aborted.

[Seeker]

I very much dislike abortion, but know in some cases it is nessesary such as when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. I dislike abortion as a means of birth control, that is just selfish and wrong. According to your argument, we need to go abort all pregnancies in the ghetto. Why not just sterilize them instead? Why? Because it is a violation of the mothers civil rights to impose such things on them. It is the same way with abortion. Although I disapprove of it, it comes down to freedom of choice of the mother. It is her decision to make and her consequences to live with. Physically, emotionally, and spiritually. God allows us freedom of choice, who am I or the government to take it away.

[Kaniaz]

That is a really weak argument. I understand that you say that now, but that is just your instictive love for life, fear for death talking. Everyone has that. But if you look at it objectively, you couldn't care a shit if you were aborted.[/b] This is one facet of the argument; what do you think about the rest? But yes, it's not the clearest thing. Even so, the fact I personally couldn't feel the injustice (not that foetus' can't feel pain, I think it's possible to some degree that they can) makes it justified? Not if you ask me. You can't look at abortion objectively, frankly. To a point, yes, but not as the end all. There is no set definition for life (at all), being as you can't define consciousness or any of the other concepts associated with it. Where supposed clear headedness and cool logic fails, I'm often wondering if that's the gap our emotions and 'morals' are truly meant to fill. Hence my reasoning. Besides, I wouldn't play it like you're exactly free from all of this either. I think given a voice you might have had something to say about your (hypothetical) abortion too - and I don't quite think it would've been the tune of apathy or "well that's just death talking, I'm entirely indifferent to the destruction of my potential as decreed by your definition of worthiness so get that vacuum going and whip me up" fluting from those fallopians. After all, embryos don't go through all the fun of development to "not care a shit" if they're destroyed at the end. Apparently something cares about bringing you to life, something to bring together the rather complicated process of reproduction - and whether that's your genes, steely determination or God the almighty is irrelevant - something sure does.

[TweaK]

That is a really weak argument. I understand that you say that now, but that is just your instictive love for life, fear for death talking. Everyone has that. But if you look at it objectively, you couldn't care a shit if you were aborted. [/b] I know I wouldn't care a shit if Kaniaz was aborte-- ANYWAY. Yeah, on a more serious note. Personally, I'm _for_ abortion in some cases, and _against_ in others. For when the mother's life is threatened, for example. But if you see this teenage girl that's pregnant because while having sex she went at it without preconception "just because she wouldn't get pregnant anyway", I think abortion shouldn't be allowed. It's her own damn fault after all. I'm not sure about rape. :/