Originally Posted by wendylove
If youre the paradox then you can't escape it.
And this is the point we keep disagreeing on. The main problem, I think, is that we are thinking in limited terms. Your thinking is istricktly in the "here-and-now": Current physics/Your Logic stat this this and this. That is that.
Mine may be far to "Trancendent" (though to me I doubt it) if I may use that word. I am looking that things from a vastly different perspective, for I feel that the human can't understand everything. Our minds aren't capable of seeing things that it has never experienced.
There within lies the problem.
I'm sorry wendy, but you will have a very hard time convincing me that we as humans can know everything, and that our "laws" govern everything. WE may know a little, but we will never know all the Mysteries.
Mathematical logic is true always. I use mathematical logic.
Prove yourself to me mathematically.
If god can't do everything then he is not all powerful.
Define "All". Does it mean He can escape from a Paradox?
Their is only one true logic, which is mathematical logic. Maths is too do with truth a pattarn, so maths is truth like 2.00 apples plus 2.00 appless will always equal 4.00 apples.
Once again, I ask you to prove yourself to me Mathematically.
First off all art is about emotions and science is about testing stuff. Now, what does this have to do with truth, art is not higher truth a artist will never solve a paradox by drawing it on a piece of paper. It something is true you can prove it using maths.
Prove that there was a yesterday mathematically. Do the same for the existence of Apples. Prove existence using maths. If you can disprove God with maths, then proving everything else should be easy, no?
Well, thought can be classed in artifical intelligence if you want to know how maths handles thought then read this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
You can prove atoms with mathematics. Firstly look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac now he predicted the exsistance of a antiparticle using only mathematics, again the greeks used mathematics of infinty to prove atoms or quarks. Paul Dirac only used mathematics to make one of physics best theories to date, it is the most precise and all off this came from logic.
I will look into it.
Quantum gravity makes sure naked singularities don't exsist.
That is actually still not proven, but okay.
No this is wrong. See god has certain properties like being all powerful, now being all powerful is the paradox.
But as I have said before, being OP means you can escape from a paradox. Also, if logic is only confined to this reality, then a being who exists outside. But how can we know that without evidence, you no-doubt ask. True, we can't, but we also cannot dismiss the possibility out of hand. That is not the way of science or logic.
If I said their is a person that exsist if this statement is false, then the person does not exsist as the property he has is impossible. Now god has a impossible property.
See above
Of course, 2.00 apples plus 2.00 apples equals 4.00 apples exsist outside the universe. Truth exsist.
I'm glade to hear that.
The zeno paradox is not a paradox, now less able people who don't know mathematics would proberly see it as a paradox.
Yet it has been called a paradox by mathematicians for a very long time. Yet you just proved my point: Where one person sees a paradox, other do not. Zeno would argue with you that this is a paradox, and that this is logic, yet you argue the opposite. Who is right?
Little doubt that you will say you, but only because you see the answer and he didn't
I know basic calculus, yes.
if you do then you would now that he constantly moving and so it infintly sums up to the real value. Again no paradox, it just some fun for mathematical lazy to think about.
I know this, the whole "limit" thing, correct? Yes, you don't see a problem, neither do I, for that matter. But others do.
Oh, and it actually doesn't ever reach infinity
Also the zeno paradox was not based on logic, but some philosophy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides
Now any person with basic logic can see the zeno paradox is nothing but rubbish philosophy.
That is the origin of Logic.
Logic is the truth, so your basically anwsering can god exsist outside of truth. I agree god does exsist outside the truth, he doesn't exsist that the truth.
To each his own. I have little left to say on this matter that I haven't already.
Originally Posted by Universal Mind
Keeper, let's cut to the chase. The point is that the concept of an infinitely powerful being, which you yourself in this very thread have said is a being that "can do ANYTHING", contradicts itself.
Only if you think that a Infinitely powerful being is not infinitely powerful enough to escape a logical paradox, in which case it is not infinitely powerful. However, as I have mentioned, that may not be what God is. How would we ever know?
It is an illogical concept. An infinitely powerful being would, by definition, be able to create a being more powerful than itself, but also by definition, not be able to create a being more powerful than itself. That concept contradicts itself. An infinitely powerful being would be able to create a stone so heavy it cannot lift it, yet be able to lift what it cannot lift, even though it can. The idea does not make sense.
As I have said, there are two answers.
I just realized that this isn't a "Ask Me" thread anymore
So, any other Questions?
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