Belief Verse Religion

[AHiddenSaint]

Good evening to start off this lovely debate let's make one thing clear. I'm a Christian yet I believe Christians have lost their path in life because many focus to much on scripts. Now I believe there was a person named Jesus, but I don't know if all the acts are real. I also am inclined to believe that the person might have been influnced by belief and not just Religion. What do I mean by this for starters the belief of something allows you to differ from the religion of something. I believe in a God, but is it my right to declare that God the only to believe? No, because why would God create a world so vast with many aspects of life then tell us to only believe in one aspect of life? Is it right to blame someone as a sinner just because they were born in one location over the other? This is why I believe in the heart instead of the script. I mean think about we have religious people who can't even come to agreement on the very same religious context they support so how can we tell someone else to believe in that if we can't even agree on it? Plus if we are to believe one thing don't we deny in the end what others have left us? That is wisdom and culture. You see I maybe a Christian, but I have a great love for Buddhist culture. Their temples are a art of work not just a religious occult to me. I see some stuff they've done right as well even if their idea's of religion are different from mine. This is why I maybe a christian, but I'm only a christian by belief. I think we can all be spiritual without being forced to be in a religion or deny a religion. I can even understand stuff views from others that don't believe in God that doesn't make them wrong just they have a different idea. I bet though we can all agree on the heart if we talked about the two issues without going into the religious part. We are all humans and we all share the ideass and aspects of love, growth, knowledge, and wealth. It's part of society that makes us want to gain wealth. It's part of our own heart that gives us the ability to love another. It's part of our own wisdom that allows us to grow in knowledge that is taught to us from the past and others around us.

[Neruo]

Hi! Basically, you are just another moderate Christian. Nothing wrong with that. Heck, compared to fundamentalist Christians, I love your kind. I never however really understood what keeps moderate (not as much literal-scripture-based-) Christians going... I mean, really die-hard Christians believe every single word from the bible, including the clearly silly parts, the parts that if held upon the light of western civilisation are just wrong in any form (slavery, rape, murder)... but they don't care. They are right, because the bible tells them so, and the bible is right, because god said so. God said so in the bible. Of course for normal people that isn't proof at all for the bible being the word of god, but fundies seem to be more then capable of swallowing such 'logic'. Anyhow, back to you: If you don't believe in the bible as a infallible work of god, but instead of the imperfect work of man it so clearly is. (inspired by god, some say. Yet tainted by man for sure). THEN, (now the point): Why do you even believe in Jesus and such at all? Feeling? People told you so? His message (or the message people spread in his word) is so good? I wonder. What really keeps you religious, if not for for circle-reasoning with the bible?

[AHiddenSaint]

Hi! Anyhow, back to you: If you don't believe in the bible as a infallible work of god, but instead of the imperfect work of man it so clearly is. (inspired by god, some say. Yet tainted by man for sure). THEN, (now the point): Why do you even believe in Jesus and such at all? Feeling? People told you so? His message (or the message people spread in his word) is so good? I wonder. What really keeps you religious, if not for for circle-reasoning with the bible? Because the message was inspiring not the religous part of it. The message of forgiving a person and not judging them just because they are different. The message of trying to understand those who aren't the same as you. The message and heart of actually caring for someone not because of the reward that awaits you, but because you rather do kindness just for the sake of kindness.

[Neruo]

Because the message was inspiring not the religous part of it. The message of forgiving a person and not judging them just because they are different. The message of trying to understand those who aren't the same as you. The message and heart of actually caring for someone not because of the reward that awaits you, but because you rather do kindness just for the sake of kindness. Okay. If that spells 'proof' for you, that's great. If all Christians were like you, something they certainly are not, the world would be a bit better. Almost as good as it was if I WOULD RULE OVER THE WORLD, MUHAHAHA >: D Just kiddin'.