CHRISTIANITY- The Greatest Story Ever Told *lonnnng*

[BeautifulDreamer]

This is Horus. He is the Egyptian God of the Sun, the personification of an owl. Every day he was killed by Set, bringing evil night, and every night he rose from the dead and killed Set to bring forth day. In fact, the term 'HORIZON' is an anagram for 'HORUS HAS RISEN'. Even the word 'HOURS' can be switched around to form 'HORUS'. Naturally, 'SUNSET' is the killing of Horus by Set. Dark vs Light, or Good vs Evil is one of the classic stories, from fairy tales to the Bible. The story of Horus is as follows: Horus was born on December 25th, of the virgin Isis. His birth was followed by a star in the east, which 3 Kings followed to adorn him. At the age of 12 he was a prodigy child teacher, at the age of 30 he was baptized and began a ministry. Horus has 12 disciples, which followed him everywhere as he preformed miracles, such as healing the sick, giving sight to the blind. and walking on water. He was known by many names 'The Truth, the Light, Lord' being some. After being betrayed, Horus was crucified and buried for three days until he was Ressurected. Remind you of somebody? Oh, but there is more. Say hello to Attis. He was born of a virgin on December 25th, was crucified, and dead for three days until ressurected. Lord Krishna of India, born of the virgin Devaki on December 25th, brought to birth with a star in the east. He performed miracles, until crucified, and in turn, ressurected. Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th. He performed miracles, and reffered to as the 'King of Kings' 'The Alpha and the Omega' until he was crucified and ressurected. Mithra, of Persia. Born of a virgin on Decmeber 25th, had 12 Disciples, performed miracles, was dead for three days and in turn, ressurected. Another interesting thing is that her followers worshipped her on Sunday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why all this? Did you notice Christianity follows many of these deemed 'heathen' religions? On December 24th, the stars begin to gather in a formation, until on December 25th, three stars (three kings) go to the brightest star, Sirius. The formation they make? A cross.

[Sornaensis]

ROFL. I knew Xianity was a copy-cat religion.

[Keeper]

interesting, and very, very acurate in many ways ... but not all I agree with you that many of the things in "christianity" are copies of other religions, but I'm not so sure you have all the fact straight in the ones you listed. Notably: The largest cult in Egypt taught that the Sun was RA, and that the travled through the sky through several gates (I think it was either 24 or 12). However, there where many cults, so this may be acurite for some of them. Also, Isis wasn't a vergin. thats all I can see for now, but tell me, where does it say that Dy. was crucified? I understand that the Romans where suposed to have invented that? Anyhow (boy I say that a lot!) the things copied arn't actually in the Bible, and most of the things that are are actually prophicy from the OT.

[BeautifulDreamer]

interesting, and very, very acurate in many ways ... but not all I agree with you that many of the things in "christianity" are copies of other religions, but I'm not so sure you have all the fact straight in the ones you listed. Notably: The largest cult in Egypt taught that the Sun was RA, and that the travled through the sky through several gates (I think it was either 24 or 12). However, there where many cults, so this may be acurite for some of them. Also, Isis wasn't a vergin. thats all I can see for now, but tell me, where does it say that Dy. was crucified? I understand that the Romans where suposed to have invented that? Anyhow (boy I say that a lot!) the things copied arn't actually in the Bible, and most of the things that are are actually prophicy from the OT. Actually, Ra IS Horus, only a late egyptian spelling of it. Both are lords of the sky/sun. In some texts Horus is listed as creator of the universe and father of Ra, however. And I actually meant Hathor instead of Isis in regards to his mother. God Source, on Dy. ... Many parraells with Christianity.... Crucified, rose from dead... And even without it. there is still ALOT on him. And yes, all of this about Jesus and the Bible are in it. 3 kings, resserection... Yeah, it's the core beleifs of your religion.

[Tornado Joe]

Heh, I see you watched the video I posted in Christian Concept Not Understood?. Didn't mean to kill that thread - maybe they're still scratching their heads in there.

[BeautifulDreamer]

Yup yup! Just extending it to the people and answering questions.

[Alcarinquë]

Lord Krishna of India, born of the virgin Devaki on December 25th, brought to birth with a star in the east. He performed miracles, until crucified, and in turn, ressurected. Krishna: Born July 19, 3228 B.C.E. Death: Krishna retired into the forest and sat under a tree in meditation. A hunter mistook his partly visible foot for a deer and shot an arrow wounding him mortally. According to the Mahabharata, the death of Krishna was due to a curse by Gandhari. Unless I'm missing another part of the story...

[Universal Mind]

Mithra, of Persia. Born of a virgin on Decmeber 25th, had 12 Disciples, performed miracles, was dead for three days and in turn, ressurected. Another interesting thing is that her followers worshipped her on Sunday. I learned in my western civilization class in college that Mithraism was one of the major influencers of Christianity. There were two main influences. I think Zoroastrianism was the other big one.

[Tornado Joe]

Krishna: Born July 19, 3228 B.C.E. Death: Krishna retired into the forest and sat under a tree in meditation. A hunter mistook his partly visible foot for a deer and shot an arrow wounding him mortally. According to the Mahabharata, the death of Krishna was due to a curse by Gandhari. This is why I added the little disclaimer before the link - I haven't been able to personally verify the facts they stated in the video. However, they do list their sources for those who want to investigate and verify it. The link is as follows: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm Even if only half of it true, it does make a pretty strong case against the question of whether religion is fact or fiction.

[syzygy]

I've posted this here in another thread a while ago, but it is apt to post again: Taken from www.webofmimicry.com A Yuletide Reconciliation At WoM we believe that all persons can and should be a little happier around Christmas. We could all use a little less Humbug in our lives, so here is our Yuletide reconciliation between Godless Atheism and Pious Observance. In the latter part of the 4th Century the Roman Church ordered that December 25 be celebrated as the day of the birth of Christ, though prior to that it had been assumed (according to Biblical clues, common logic and arithmetic) that Christ was born sometime in the Fall. December 25 happened also to be the same day of the old Roman feast of Sol - the Sun God, and as Frazer points out in The Golden Bough, "The largest pagan religious cult which fostered the celebration of December 25 as a holiday throughout the Roman and Greek worlds was the pagan sun worship - Mithraism... this winter festival was called the Nativity' - the Nativity of the Sun." And none other than the Catholic Encyclopedia states that "the well-known solar feast of Natalis Invicti (the Nativity of the Unconquered Sun) celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date." Confusion erupted in the Christianizing of pagan customs to the point where "Tertullian had to assert that Sol was not the Christians God; Augustine denounced the heretical identification of Christ with Sol. Pope Leo I bitterly reproved solar survivals..." When we give and receive presents at Christmas time we do so also in the spirit of the inherited practices of the extravagant Roman Saturnalia, such as the giving of gifts. Christians have long lamented the obscuration of Jesus beneath the demon specter of Satan Claws. The Three Wise Men, of course, presented gifts to Jesus - not to each other! All this talk of paganism might partly explain why so many non-Christians allow themselves to be cheerfully swept along with the Spirit of Holiday - because it is not really a Christian holiday in the first place! We feel that the True Christians understand this already, and feel less despair at the "true meaning of Christmas" being lost in the materialism of the modern world than they do at the total obliteration of Christ under the mediating idols of Babylon and its pagan "Christmas" rituals. And I'm sure they Thank God in the security of knowing that the True birth of Jesus, a fact which exists in reality, has never ever had anything to do with the world-mad festivity of "Christmas"! All the better for them if they have made it a time which is personally meaningful, despite all the Occultation and schism. And so, Christians are free and welcome to join in the mad celebration of Saturnalia and the Nativity of the Sun now called "Christmas," and are in no danger of compromising their beliefs in the process! Similarly, since it is a Pagan Holiday, the godless atheist hordes are exempt from recognizing the Jesus Christ during the holidays. For the rare few who choose such a route wishing to revel in the true spirit of Christmas, it is recommended that they become familiar at least with the rites of Mithras, Dionysus or Sol, if only because by doing so they might find some small inner inspiration and thereby thwart the tendency to be such psychotic cutthroat sons-of-bitches on highways and in shops during the holidays. And just think, they can still almost call themselves 'atheist' at the end of the day!

[A dreamer168]

Actually, there many parallels between us and Norse myths as well The great god Odin hung himself from The World Ash in order to learn the magic of the runes. (exept the runes parellels Christ's death) And, hell was creathe from Hella a monster that looked like the top half was human the bottom half was a rotting corpse and her realm

[Moonbeam]

The Xmas tree is from Druid tree worshippers. I thing celebrating the winter solstice leads a lot of holidays that time of year. I guess the days got off a little over time.

[27]

You realize that Jesus was not born on Dec. 25th right?

[Tornado Joe]

Interesting, 27 - I looked it up and it is believed to be May 14th (or even January 6th?). At first it may seem that this makes our case all wrong. However, I feel it makes our point even stronger. It shows how followers will modify and distort a story (which should be sacred) to suit their needs. Unfortunately, this results in millions (or even billions) of people being mislead and following man-made rules rather than those of the religion. This is, what I think, at the heart of religion today - the control of people. Thanks for that bit of info, though - I had never heard of the discrepancy before. PS- what is the mystery behind your screen name and sig? "27"?

[BeautifulDreamer]

Interesting, 27 - I looked it up and it is believed to be May 14th (or even January 6th?). At first it may seem that this makes our case all wrong. However, I feel it makes our point even stronger. It shows how followers will modify and distort a story (which should be sacred) to suit their needs. Unfortunately, this results in millions (or even billions) of people being mislead and following man-made rules rather than those of the religion. This is, what I think, at the heart of religion today - the control of people. Thanks for that bit of info, though - I had never heard of the discrepancy before. PS- what is the mystery behind your screen name and sig? "27"? Human ideas are entering a so called 'holy' thing- They wanted it to beat the Pagan holiday of Yule, around the same time. By placing it on the same date, nobody would celebrate. And 27 is a numerology thing, the source of all life.

[Keeper]

the stories I could tell you of subversion ...

[BeautifulDreamer]

Interesting, 27 - I looked it up and it is believed to be May 14th (or even January 6th?). At first it may seem that this makes our case all wrong. However, I feel it makes our point even stronger. It shows how followers will modify and distort a story (which should be sacred) to suit their needs. Unfortunately, this results in millions (or even billions) of people being mislead and following man-made rules rather than those of the religion. This is, what I think, at the heart of religion today - the control of people. Thanks for that bit of info, though - I had never heard of the discrepancy before. PS- what is the mystery behind your screen name and sig? "27"? the stories I could tell you of subversion ... So do you condone this? Do you think the Bible has a right to be changed?

[Keeper]

I think that "christian" ideas need to be changed. Not all (I dont even know how deep the corruption goes), but quite a lot. The think is, the Bible is being re-analized and re-interpreted all the time. I even read that an entire verse was removed because people suspected it was added in later to boost the belief in the trinity. There are also countless other "gospels" and books which didn't make it in, and though many are possably forgeries, some are almost garanteed to be acurate. My own personal belief is that the only truly uncorrupted accounts are in the OT. But the thing is, how do we know what to chop and change? Some argue that God wouldn't let His word be changed, and others say that He would, so that some people would be confused and such (... it gets pretty long and weird). Bottem line, though, is that people are being lied to about what the Bible says, and that needs to be sorted out. after all, not everyone can be right.

[BeautifulDreamer]

That's intresting...

[der'morat'oneiro]

They say imitation is the highest form of flattery.