The official religious boxing ring thread

[Sornaensis]

Come here to flame, and defend your religion, please. But before we start, i have one quick question for all theists. Where is the proof?

[joey11223]

Well the proof is you i suppose, how complex everything is and stuff and how perfect the human form is( magnetifies our skin x100, EWWW its full of cracks and craters and juse gross, looks to my family, geez guys why have five of you got/had cancer). Also the question of how the Universe began is a good one, i think just because science 100% doesn't know what happened( as in big bangs cause), doesn't mean in a few thousand years they won't learn. Anyway we apply the psychics of our planet to everything. So it's hard for us to understand a time when they didn't apply. Miracles could be one argument, the people who say God has spoken to them. Technically the Bible is a proof, although it was written by mans hand and so it's hardly reliable. eh someone religious put some more, i'm wet and cold!

[Sornaensis]

Mneh. All of that is untestable. You can't test to see if God really spoke to a person, and you can't disect miricales away from modern sciences, medicine, and coincidence.

[joey11223]

Lol people will think i'm totally mad for saying this. But because of pyramids being built in my different locations, some areas where the natives really couldn't have met other pyramid building cultures, i think there is a very slim possibility an advanced civilization or time travelers have visited us. This is why Jesus could have been one of them, i mean what would seem a miracle to them, we could do with anti-biotics. I mean if i went back 2000 years now and started curing diseases like cholera( common and relatively easy to cure with drugs) and would be worshiped as a supernatural healer. Also unrelated but me and my dad joked about this. You know it says Jesus turned water into wine. Well does it say the time scale? Because we were thinking maybe the guy just got some good quality grapes and fermented them. Maybe the guy was just a good wine seller at the time, or had his personal vineyard which he shared with his buddies.:p

[Sornaensis]

You forget the IMMENSE similarities that every human shares with one another. I think it is possible for this to happen

[joey11223]

well yes i suppose like many comic writers thinking of superheros without seeing each others work, different groups of people could also think of pyramids. But why build them in the first place? Some point to quite complex star patterns and some of the ancient buildings, such as some in Scotland i believe, seem to have been built to compensate for changed in stars brightness( stars in the sky will disappear all the time because they died long ago) and stuff. Of course maybe there were ancient civilizations almost as advanced as us. When i was doing a paper on pyramids and such, i noted on one source that they believed the Sphinx had tidal erosion around it's base. Even though that would make it much older then thy had thought, it would have meant the ancient Egyptians found the Sphinx there already. I suppose that could explain their worship of cats.

[wendylove]

But why build them in the first place? Why build the eithel tower? Why build the statue of liberty? Why build beautiful sky scarpers? Again the eithel tower serves no purpose and is a huge waste of money, if you look at the eithel tower without any purpose except. The people thought if they had a big tome they have a special place in heaven. Plus it is a very poor argument. People have tombstones, the prymids are a big tombstones. For other races like the aztecs, building a prymid is really easy and they lived in it(well, the high up people). Some point to quite complex star patterns Again what? The motion of water is very complex, however this proves nothing. Plus look at a fractal http://www.electronics.dit.ie/staff/...es/fractal.jpg . It is based on simple mathematics, to claim god did it because it is complex is stupid. seem to have been built to compensate for changed in stars brightness( stars in the sky will disappear all the time because they died long ago) and stuff Seriously this is nonsense. Of course maybe there were ancient civilizations almost as advanced as us Were not that advanced compared to the Romans. When i was doing a paper on pyramids and such, i noted on one source that they believed the Sphinx had tidal erosion around it's base. Even though that would make it much older then thy had thought, it would have meant the ancient Egyptians found the Sphinx there already. I suppose that could explain their worship of cats. Seriously, I think I know where you got the crap about sphinx being old, its from a nuclear physician in russia. Well, he has been debunked varoius times. All the evidence and their is alot points to the fact that sphinx was made during the time of the great pyramid was built. They worship lots of animals. Seriously is this your reasoning behind why their is a god? Man, I feel sorry for you. As I thought you would have something better.

[joey11223]

Unusual, i am a total Atheist, i was explaining why aliens may have visited us in the past, thats why i said Jesus could have been an alien or even a time traveler( if you believe the concept is possible, personally im more inclined to believe only ravel to the future is possible, not the past, but again these are just theories and i occasionally think about) That was also hinted by my Jesus just being an owner of a vineyard opinion too.:p

[Sornaensis]

Jesus was a glorified wiccan healer . -Or- He just never existed . Either way, it still doesn't prove god does/n't exist

[Universal Mind]

Why build the eithel tower? Why build the statue of liberty? Why build beautiful sky scarpers? Why build Jesus? (There's my first blow in the boxing match.)

[joey11223]

Yeah well Jesus was a common name, chances re there was a wise preacher called Jesus who could have been a healer as well! *punches back, and kinda misses since that's not helping Christians in saying Jesus was God's son*

[ThePhobiaViewed]

Why build the eithel tower? Why build the statue of liberty? Why build beautiful sky scarpers? Again the eithel tower serves no purpose and is a huge waste of money, if you look at the eithel tower without any purpose except. I'm guessing you mean the Eiffel Tower (different names different places?). Actually I think the reason they didn't tear it down after the world's fair was that it had antennas on it that were needed (for war or something like that. I forget where I heard it but there is a reason). I would say that the ancients would have been more succeptible to believing in gods because they didn't understand modern science (electricity for example) so they figured it must be supernatural and from the gods so they built huge monuments.

[Sornaensis]

I'm guessing you mean the Eiffel Tower (different names different places?). Actually I think the reason they didn't tear it down after the world's fair was that it had antennas on it that were needed (for war or something like that. I forget where I heard it but there is a reason). I would say that the ancients would have been more succeptible to believing in gods because they didn't understand modern science (electricity for example) so they figured it must be supernatural and from the gods so they built huge monuments. That reminded me! Not to long ago in the 1700's people ACTUALLY blamed GOD on LIGHTNING . I think i may have stated this before, but thanks for reminding me TPV, people needed god/ddess(s) to explain what they could not. Now, since 6000 B.C., we no longer needed all of these gods, and slimed it to one. And today, i fail to see the point of this god, i really do. It seems like he's just a kid, and we're his toys, but nothing ever happens to us BECAUSE HE AIN'T REAL!