Thread: An interesting thought

There's a lot of arguments about god going around here. There is no proof, yes there is, no there isn't... "If god is so real, why doesn't he show himself?" To which some christian will always answer, "well, because god wants us to have faith... if god just makes a presence, there would be no more need for faith"...

And I've been thinking... would that be so bad? No need for faith? I think if there's no need for faith, maybe we can all start friggin getting along. Think about it: God comes out of the shadows, and gives us ALL the answers. Not "faith" answers, but actual answers. Let's say god says:

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Yes, I am here, yes, I created the world, but not 4000 years ago (not sure who started that claptrap), but billions of years ago... then, I just sat back and watched. You all DO have souls - in fact, you ARE souls, in this physical medium. When your life ends, your soul will roam free in a higher state of existence. There is no "heaven" as you see it. In fact, there is no "afterlife", just "life"... you are currently living a "subchapter" of life, that is all. Don't worry about prayers, my children. I have a divine plan, and it doesn't make a difference. Just live a happy life, and please don't kill each other over me. That wasn't my intention at all when I created life. Just live out this chapter, and think of it as training wheels. Be good to each other, and above all, have some fun. I'll see you on the other side. Don't worry about the virgin mary stuff, by the way. She was a big time cheater, and Joseph was a big time gullible chump for buying that story. He knows better now, and has forgiven her. We're all great friends now, and doing pretty well. By the way, even though your life is temporary, I do need to tell something to you Rapture people: I plan on using the Earth as "soul training wheels" for many millions of years to come, so please stop global warming, for the good of generations to come. Oh yeah, and the meaning of life is: [censored by mods, sorry, we can't be revealing that just yet hahaha]
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There. Now there's answers, a real manifestation, and no more need for faith. Would such a world be such a horrible place? If so, why? Now life has a meaning for everyone, and everyone's on the same page. No more holy wars. We can finally move on as "the human race" and explore the universe together. We can experience all these emotions without having to worry about some schmuck passing judgment, while raping children when nobody's looking. Let's work towards a happier place. I do believe that even if god didn't come forth and say all that, we can achieve a world like that.

The thing is, if a God were to show himself, there would be more faith than ever - not less faith. Practically every one would be consumed with faith: Faith that there is a God and that they will be cared for by that God. Faith that prayer is not for naught. There'd be so much faith the world would change instantly.

Well, faith is belief in the face of evidence that there is no god. In my example, people KNOW the truth, so there's no more need for FAITH (emotional speculation ). Also, in my particular example, prayer IS for naught (but don't let that take the focus away from the general point of the thread hehe).

im not 100% sure that god does exist. but i think he doesn’t just show himself because it would make us all mindless zombies. i believe in free will and we can use that to decide whether or not we believe in god. if god were to just reveal himself what would be the point of free will. we would all HAVE to believe in him. i think its less about faith and more about free will

just my opinion I dont want to get into a long philosophical debate where one post takes up an entire page

I personally think it shows a great deal of ignorance to state that God does not reveal Himself. Maybe you're just not looking. Abraham Lincoln hasn't revealed himself to me, but I still believe he was real.

Originally Posted by SilverZero

I personally think it shows a great deal of ignorance to state that God does not reveal Himself. Maybe you're just not looking. Abraham Lincoln hasn't revealed himself to me, but I still believe he was real.

That's because he was real, and his presence and actions were documented.

Now, your deity on the other hand...

Originally Posted by SilverZero

I personally think it shows a great deal of ignorance to state that God does not reveal Himself. Maybe you're just not looking. Abraham Lincoln hasn't revealed himself to me, but I still believe he was real.

The revelations of god you're talking about are the kind that you only see if you already strongly believe. I'm talking about a full on, "here's your answer, now get on with your lives" kind of revelation.

And why would that make us mindless zombies? We can still think for ourselves. We still have free will to do anything we please (except we know god is real, so that one question is eliminated).