Thread: Homosexuals, what to think of them?( Bible related)

Originally Posted by Matt5678

although i am almost a Christian (today)... i dont think you need the bible to tell you whats right. if you believe in a loving, compassionate god what do you think the right answer is?

this is why i favor personal spirituality over organized religion.

No offense, but that's pretty pathetic to have a book to tell you what is right and wrong, seeing as these are man-made constructs... >.>

Originally Posted by R.D.735

No one really follows the strict tenets of their religion.

The ones that do are really scary.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Moonbeam, would you perhaps like to try explaining things instead of looking like an ignorant, close-minded anti-religious spammer? I'd like to hear an aetheist's take on the issues we're discussing, but not one-line dismissals without any suggestion of reasoning or deduction.
Cheers.

But I am anti-religious! I don't think I am ignorant or close-minded, however. Since I don't think a person's sexuality is of any relevance to their character, and therefore I don't need a guide on how to treat people of different orientations, I don't have much to add to the conversation, other than pointing out the ridiculousness of trying to use the bible as a guide on how to act, which those of you who have actually read it have already discovered, hence this conversation.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Solution: stop being religious, and release yourself from confusion, restrictions and fear.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Daeva

I'm pretty damn certain non-religious folk have plenty of their own confusion, restrictions, and fears.

Not nearly as many or much, obviously, judging from the conversations that go on around here.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No offense, but that's pretty pathetic to have a book to tell you what is right and wrong, seeing as these are man-made constructs... >.>

i think people can judge for themselves whats "wrong" and whats "right". most of us do

In my humble opinion it is so that we humans can only be loved, hated, shunned or praised uppon choices of our free will. Anyone who agrees with that?

You do not choose to be born with the sexual orientation you have. You just find out one day which sex attracts you. The same goes for your looks, race/ethnicity, familiy...etc We should not judge eachother or be judged uppon things that be that are not of our free will. It makes no sense. If it DOES to any of you, then enlighten me and clearify.

The bible is the word of God. It is just as true today as it was when it was penned. Who are you to pick and chose which parts of the Bible God meant and which He didn't? Where in the Bible do you find where it lists the dates upon which certain teachings no longer apply? Did I miss a footnote at the end of every one of God's laws where it said "if you think it's a good idea"? By your own authority you have decided that these laws are "old fashioned" or "no longer apply". To say that is to tell God Himself that He is wrong about His own creation; to say that His word is wrong. His word is very clearly spelled out in the Bible for everyone to see. To oppose God's law is to oppose that which is righteous and you will be judged.

Most of the points have been covered already, but I would like to present another angle on religion....

The main problem with the Bible, as the Koran as with any book claiming to be the word of the divine is that they were written by people, even if there is a divien being, as soon as its words enter a human's mind they will become corrupted, warped, disfigured to what suits the person writing it down, even if it is not on purpose. This must be true, because if we were divine enough to understand the being(s), then we would be on equal footing with them, not below them. In other words, nobody knows the true words of the divine and so we must all follow our own path, and feel for ourselves what is morally right and wrong.

I believe in spirit, I believe there is more to life than the observable world, but how exactly it is structured, I dont think any religion has gotten right. As for if you are a christian facing this dilema, then the safest bet would be to follow the New Testiment, because I believe it says as long as you follow christ you will go to heavan, anything you do wrong will be forgiven, which is why we can eat pork and cut our beards

Originally Posted by tkdyo

anything you do wrong will be forgiven

If that's true, why is everybody so worried about trying to follow the contradictory rules? Or really worried about doing or not doing anything?

( @ Mark--good point which will probably be ignored by all Christians. I think there's something about giving 10% of your income to god in the OT-- bummer.)

I think the general consensus is that the old testament is pretty much bunk. The NT pretty much replaced all the old laws, just because they don't apply to today. Like selling your daughter into slavery, stoning wives who cheat etc. If i recall correctly there is nothing about being gay in the NT. Either way christian's love to hate it because they don't understand it. As a gay male...... it sucks having christian family/friends that just say it's a sin because they don't get it. (But yet they still love their pork)

Originally Posted by Daeva

I'm pretty damn certain non-religious folk have plenty of their own confusion, restrictions, and fears. At least, I am. Maybe I'm in the minority, but something tells me I'm not.

By confusion, I mean confusion about correct religious conduct, such as restrictions, and the fear of breaching these.

Looks like Team Rocket Jesus is blasting off again!!!!!!!..........................

Originally Posted by Matt5678

although i am almost a Christian (today)... i dont think you need the bible to tell you whats right. if you believe in a loving, compassionate god what do you think the right answer is?

this is why i favor personal spirituality over organized religion.

I so totally agree with that.

Oh hai there Jesus.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

If that's true, why is everybody so worried about trying to follow the contradictory rules? Or really worried about doing or not doing anything?

( @ Mark--good point which will probably be ignored by all Christians. I think there's something about giving 10% of your income to god in the OT-- bummer.)

to answer your question, not everyone is, most people do whatever.

and is that really the main thing you got out of my post? I basically took the same side as you, i thought you would like what I had to say about those books

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

( @ Mark--good point which will probably be ignored by all Christians. I think there's something about giving 10% of your income to god in the OT-- bummer.)

No, no, that part was just a metaphor.

The council of nacea put in what they wanted. Not God.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

The council of nacea put in what they wanted. Not God.

And demonitaions other than catholism took out another 7 books.

Homosexual/ heterosexual

right/wrong

Good/Evil

Righteous/unrighteous


..........Such duality

Stretch yourSelf out into it far enough and you will lose yourSelf in its trappings..

Its best to simply see yourSelf in each other and ignore all the nets and entanglements

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Homosexual/ heterosexual/Bisexual/Trisexual/Unisexual

right/wrong

Good/Evil

Righteous/unrighteous


..........Such duality

Stretch yourSelf out into it far enough and you will lose yourSelf in its trappings..

Its best to simply see yourSelf in each other and ignore all the nets and entanglements

Fixed

Psst, I think NonDualistic is trying to say he's gay!

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Psst, I think NonDualistic is trying to say he's gay!

lol.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

Homosexual/ heterosexual

right/wrong

There's nothing wrong in homosexuality, but it's not right either.
Either you're gay, and you feel you need to defend it, because you're dumb, or you're just dumb.

It's something wrong with their brain.

Originally Posted by Michael

It's something wrong with their brain.

It's already been explained as an Endocrine problem.

yea i used to be christian but some of their teachings are harsh towards others so now i just go with the flow(religion wise). and belive if homosexuals wish to be that way then thats there right

Originally Posted by LDhippie

yea i used to be christian but some of their teachings are harsh towards others so now i just go with the flow(religion wise). and belive if homosexuals wish to be that way then thats there right

You missed the point.

Ok, let me ask you a question: Did you ever wake up one day and decide to be straight (I am assuming you are straight)?

I doubt it. Puberty just worked on your brain, specifically pituitary and Endocrine, and you most likely started to just "notice" the opposite sex.

Same goes for homosexuals, and bisexuals. It's just the way they are.