Joseph Campbell and Goddess Worship

[Leo Volont]

Joseph Campbell and Goddess Worship There are certain consolations in being impressionable and stupid, for instance, you may read books with which you find you entirely agree, that is, you will not be bringing anything contradictory to the table that might disturb the easy flow of reading as a pure input without any disturbing reflections. Joseph Campbell presents enough information to show that every viable Civilization had at its cure a belief in the Mother Goddess. He shows that every Destroyer militated against Mother Goddess Worship. And yet, after all of that, he presents Western Civilization as the First Successful Barbarian Civilization, not seeing his contradiction, or supposing his audience too stupid to catch on. He quite ignores that Western Civilization was formed for some 14 hundred years around the Worship of the Virgin Mary, who, afterall, even he acknowledges is another aspect of the Mother Goddess. What may be slowing down Joseph Campbell, if he is actually sincere, is his being an Atheist, that is, carrying the assumption that Religious Beliefs are formulated by cynical committees in smoky rooms – that Religions are not essentially Real. From my own experience – through actual dreams and visions, which one can never fake to oneself – the Goddess Mother is a recurrent and powerful Entity within the workings of the Psyche. And then we have the instances of Her Saints, Her Devotees, having been the most powerful Saints in their Civilizations. In the face of this we have Joseph Campbell projecting the intellectual’s fantasy that intellectuals actually have ever had the least bit of influence within their Society’s by simply making up useful fictions to achieve certain political ends. But typically we only see this dynamic occur in the later phases of Civilization as the Intellectuals somehow decide to team up with the Barbarians. So reading Joseph Campbell is something of a mixed bag. He presents plenty of information which is good in itself, but then he tries to spin it to support the War of the Western Barbarians against the Civilized World. He brings to mind all the Pre-War Intellectuals who spoke of Arian and Teutonic Racial Superiority, because brutes from that Aryan Race were able to destroy, during the Iron Age, many of the southern Civilizations. People forget how much Intellectual Support the Nazis got from, well, intellectuals. Joseph Campbell is simply rehashing all the same arguments. He doesn’t call his Master Race Arian, or Teutonic, or specifically German. Now he includes all of the West. It is now “Western Civilization” that stands as the Politically Correct “Master Race”. But it is all still Nazism. And the argument is easy enough to refute. Barbarians would never stand a chance against a thriving Civilization in its prime. It is only when Civilizations have grown old and move away from their original Civilizing Principals that they can weaken and become vulnerable to barbarian onslaught. Anyway, the book I am reading is Joseph Campbell’s “Occidental Mythology”. He wrote a series of books, but he constantly goes back over what he had uncovered in the other books of the series, and so I can’t see wasting time or money for any more than just the one book.

[MarthaM]

I recall quite clearly the first time I heard Joseph Campbell use the term Master Race. I was not sure that I had even heard it correctly and so dismissed it. But later in the conversation he used it again and I stopped to think "What was he really saying?" I was absolutely floored when I read up afterwards and saw these terms printed on a page. After that I began to dismiss him and to take anything he said with a large "grain of salt." From my own experience – through actual dreams and visions, which one can never fake to oneself – the Goddess Mother is a recurrent and powerful Entity within the workings of the Psyche. And then we have the instances of Her Saints, Her Devotees, having been the most powerful Saints in their Civilizations.[/b] I am begining to think that perhaps she is a higher authority than her son. Having received healing from her myself I am a believer in her power and goodness.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by MarthaM I recall quite clearly the first time I heard Joseph Campbell use the term Master Race. I was not sure that I had even heard it correctly and so dismissed it. But later in the conversation he used it again and I stopped to think \"What was he really saying?\" I was absolutely floored when I read up afterwards and saw these terms printed on a page. After that I began to dismiss him and to take anything he said with a large \"grain of salt.\" From my own experience – through actual dreams and visions, which one can never fake to oneself – the Goddess Mother is a recurrent and powerful Entity within the workings of the Psyche. And then we have the instances of Her Saints, Her Devotees, having been the most powerful Saints in their Civilizations. I am begining to think that perhaps she is a higher authority than her son. Having received healing from her myself I am a believer in her power and goodness.[/b] Indeed, if one pays close attention to the Gospels, the Son had ever been obedient to the Mother. And then, in several instances where people made comment regarding His Mother, Christ was quick to jump in and assert that She was not just due praise for having given Himself birth, but because She was an exemplary Servant of God and Follower of God's Will. The way we can understand this, is that the Mother dispenses Grace, and that Christ was the first Example of the Perfect Reception of this Grace. We are all supposed to receive this same Grace from Our Lady, and this should make us the Perfect Brothers of Christ, all having the Same Mother.

[RonPrice]

JOSEPH CAMPBELL Myth works when you know what it is about, when it says something to you because it says something about you. We must become mythic as a species if we are to survive. The great individuation of cultures each based on their myths must lead, through an emphasis on their similarities, to a planetization of mankind. For all things are one; the hero has a thousand faces, a unity in diversity. Myth is like a force field; it unfolds and calls forth our own special genius and is the basis of our understanding of our world, ourselves and our own transformation through life’s inevitable trials and tribulations.-Robert Siegel discussing Joseph Campbell on "The Spirit of Things", ABC Radio National, 17 January 1999, 6:05-7:00 pm. You popularized an attitude, an understanding, of myth with a remarkable consistency with that universal myth that has captured my heart and mind in this post-war world1. I have been redesigning, retooling this protean self and losing myself, giving myself, expanding myself around this mythic base, this essence, this core, where a yearning, pathos, has produced a sweetness, dulce, settling in, an abundance scooped up, an updraft, scooped up, with a bliss quotient that is inestimable, indefinable. But there is always the work, the giving, always more, a doubling of effort, a fatigue, a mystery, a sadness, a tension, a working out of the myth in my own life, in its individuality and its collective identity. Ron Price 17 January 1999 1 Joseph Campbell is the great popularizer of myth in the post-war period, beginning with his first book The Hero With a Thousand Faces(1949). There are many similarities between Campbell and the Baha’i concept of myth, certainly a great deal that has been useful to me.

[Serkat]

What the hell

[♥Mark]

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