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      Reason to live?

      I have a lot to explain. Recently I have been feeling no reason to live. Like im not gonna do suicide or anything, but its worse than that. I have never really been sure if i was a christian or not. Recently I feel like I just dont believe in it. Ever since then, I just feel like there is no reason to live. No matter what i do, once im dead, I wont have a functioning brain, so i wont be ble to have a memory, so its like i was never alive. I have been going to church a lot laterly simply to find a way to make me christian, but the idea just doesnt stick in my head. No matter how much i want to believe that thereis an afterlife, my brain just refuses something so unlikely. I need help from either

      1: an athiesst who can tell me why he or she still wants to live despite what i said
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      2: A christian who can convert me back to christianity.

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      I don't remember what I ate for supper yesterday, but it tasted good.

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      but you remember how it tasted, and thats all that matters, once im dead i wont remember what i ate OR how it tasted.

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      I'm sorry you're feeling this way. I don't know where I'd be without my religious beliefs. I'd recommend intensive study of different beliefs systems (including atheism) coupled with fasting and prayer. Go with what feels the most right to you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd View Post
      but you remember how it tasted, and thats all that matters
      Firstly, no, I don't. That wasn't my point anyway. It tasted good while I was eating it. That's enough of a reason to have eaten it for me. It's the fate of every memory to be forgotten. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd View Post
      I have a lot to explain. Recently I have been feeling no reason to live. Like im not gonna do suicide or anything, but its worse than that. I have never really been sure if i was a christian or not. Recently I feel like I just dont believe in it. Ever since then, I just feel like there is no reason to live. No matter what i do, once im dead, I wont have a functioning brain, so i wont be ble to have a memory, so its like i was never alive. I have been going to church a lot laterly simply to find a way to make me christian, but the idea just doesnt stick in my head. No matter how much i want to believe that thereis an afterlife, my brain just refuses something so unlikely. I need help from either

      1: an athiesst who can tell me why he or she still wants to live despite what i said
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      2: A christian who can convert me back to christianity.
      If you want to kill yourself, go ahead.

      But think about what you could do if you stayed is all I ask. Think about how you could change something.

      Religion doesn't do anything but give you false hope for the future.

      The future is what you make it to be, so do something if you want. But if you don't it is your choice.

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      Fuck religion. Do something useful. Sports, charity, girls, friends... there is much to live for besides religion.

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      I'm a Christian, and I'll tell you now, life is worth living, and not just because you could get into Heaven afterwards or whatever. Personally, I don't spend the majority of my day thinking about God, my lifestyle is very secular haha And you know what? Life is great! There are so many great things you could enjoy. All you have to do is look for the good. Make a point of looking for the good. You'll find life worth living again soon enough

      Good luck!
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      dreamsinmymynd, it almost sounds like you're making a correlation with atheism and not having anything to live for, but if you look at it logically doesn't it seem like a person that doesn't believe in a god or the afterlife would in fact stake a lot more importance on their lives and how they live them because they know it's their one and only shot?

      You gotta make your own heaven here on Earth - right now darnit!

      When I think about how conceivable it is that I could have never existed, it makes life all the sweeter.

      So go have an ice cream, dude. And feel better.
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      I don't know how you can look at a mortal life with no afterlife and think "What's the point?".

      Doesn't the fact that you only get this one shot, make it precious enough to make every last moment count?

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      dreamsinmymind, does anything in this world ever disappear? Sure it may change form, but it doesn't just go away. In my opinion everything in this universe works in a cycle, why should a human being be any different?

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd View Post
      I have a lot to explain. Recently I have been feeling no reason to live. Like im not gonna do suicide or anything, but its worse than that. I have never really been sure if i was a christian or not. Recently I feel like I just dont believe in it. Ever since then, I just feel like there is no reason to live. No matter what i do, once im dead, I wont have a functioning brain, so i wont be ble to have a memory, so its like i was never alive. I have been going to church a lot laterly simply to find a way to make me christian, but the idea just doesnt stick in my head. No matter how much i want to believe that thereis an afterlife, my brain just refuses something so unlikely. I need help from either

      1: an athiesst who can tell me why he or she still wants to live despite what i said
      or
      2: A christian who can convert me back to christianity.
      I think all of us at one point have felt this way. Things like this have made me want to do research on history, physics, etc. I view the bible as a philosophy.

      Know that it is a fact every action you do shapes the universe. Think of the honor in things you love. Read the count of Monte Cristo, read a nazi biography, know the glory of life!

      You need to do research on meditating, lucid dreaming, smoke weed, do whatever you need to do so you can convince yourself in the afterlife. "You" in a sense dies, but your energy is transfered.

      God = Energy.
      Last edited by Dreamworld; 04-22-2008 at 12:24 PM.

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      Maybe you won't remember anything. The fact is one way or the other you'll end up dying, it's not like you're missing on something by living so, regardless of what you believe death holds, might as well live long and enjoy it no?
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      If your worried about you not existing blah blah blah don't' be.

      Think about it bud, every moment your alive that person you were in the previous moment ceases to be anyway. Essentially the person who wrote that title is dead anyway, the only difference once the body is dead is that the new consciousness that consecutively arises ceases to arise again.

      Very much like the legend of the phoenix. A phoenix dies and then is reborn from its ashes...is the new phoenix the first phoenix? No in the same sense that you the person who was you when you first posted this message is not you.

      Anyway, you have to find your own reasons to want to live.

      You have to realize no one is super happy ALL the time anyway, they all just find things to distract them from their family, or jobs, or bills, or etc.
      Last edited by Sandform; 04-22-2008 at 02:24 PM.

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      What would your reason be to live if you were a christian?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omicron View Post
      What would your reason be to live if you were a christian?
      yeah i think we need to know that first, then maybe work on a more secular reason or maybe just thinking about why you wanted to live before will make you Christian again?
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      Even if God did exist and we went to heaven when we died, I still wouldn't see a "point" of life anymore than we have now. Just an extension. If he existed there would still be no point in his or anything's existence, no matter what you make up to comfort yourself this is really inescapable, unless you buckle down and live, create your own point more powerful than any fairy story.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mark75 View Post
      Firstly, no, I don't. That wasn't my point anyway. It tasted good while I was eating it. That's enough of a reason to have eaten it for me. It's the fate of every memory to be forgotten. Enjoy it while it lasts.
      Then why do we need good recall to enjoy lucid dreaming?

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      Quote Originally Posted by skunk View Post
      dreamsinmymind, does anything in this world ever disappear?
      Yes. Memories do.
      Quote Originally Posted by psychology student View Post
      Then why do we need good recall to enjoy lucid dreaming?
      You don't. You just need it to remember enjoying it.

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      For my part, I have noticed that I get the most satisfaction from doing things that are in tune with nature, therefore I am led to believe that whatever may be at the end of the line, it is probably perfect. No matter what we invent here it never compares to what already is, and dogma is one of those horrible inventions. An open mind should always be maintained; always. Trust me, I know all about feeling pointless and alone, but this need not make one feel hopeless. Desperately grasping onto dogma is almost the same as suicide; except that you are still alive and enslaved.

      My advice would be to study philosophy, then science, and by then if you are still interested in it, study every religion. Then YOU will have enough knowledge to go along with your instincts.

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      I personally do not see why a loss of faith in christianity would constitute a loss of reason to live. In fact, I would think it would be the opposite. All christian doctrines deal almost exclusively with the after life. Heaven is the goal of every christian; they behave righteously so that they may go to heaven when they die. Christianity offers reasons to die and ways to live, but not reasons. Life offers reasons to live.

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      I'm a nihilist... determinist... subjectivist... and athiest. So for me, I'm pretty sure life is pointless. When we die, individual existance ceases, and since all we experience comes down to the individual level, general existance ceases too. So there's no point in anything.

      Saying that, there's no point in suicide. No point in life either.

      So just go with the flow. Enjoy the unique experience. Life's pretty cool when you see it from a nihilistic perspective.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kaeraz View Post
      dreamsinmymynd, it almost sounds like you're making a correlation with atheism and not having anything to live for, but if you look at it logically doesn't it seem like a person that doesn't believe in a god or the afterlife would in fact stake a lot more importance on their lives and how they live them because they know it's their one and only shot?

      You gotta make your own heaven here on Earth - right now darnit!

      When I think about how conceivable it is that I could have never existed, it makes life all the sweeter.

      So go have an ice cream, dude. And feel better.

      Not really. You're bound to never exist again, so to never exist ever, or to exist 1 time makes no difference. once you do not exist, it doesn't matter if you did exist at all or not because for the rest of time you're not existing, and it's pretty much like you never existed at all to begin with.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Not really. You're bound to never exist again, so to never exist ever, or to exist 1 time makes no difference. once you do not exist, it doesn't matter if you did exist at all or not because for the rest of time you're not existing, and it's pretty much like you never existed at all to begin with.
      But every action you make change the universe forever.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd View Post
      I have a lot to explain. Recently I have been feeling no reason to live. Like im not gonna do suicide or anything, but its worse than that. I have never really been sure if i was a christian or not. Recently I feel like I just dont believe in it. Ever since then, I just feel like there is no reason to live. No matter what i do, once im dead, I wont have a functioning brain, so i wont be ble to have a memory, so its like i was never alive. I have been going to church a lot laterly simply to find a way to make me christian, but the idea just doesnt stick in my head. No matter how much i want to believe that thereis an afterlife, my brain just refuses something so unlikely. I need help from either

      1: an athiesst who can tell me why he or she still wants to live despite what i said
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      2: A christian who can convert me back to christianity.
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