Auras & Christianiaty?

[ZeldaFreak50]

What is your oppinion on Auras and people who can see them? I'm a Christian, but I wanted to know what other people thought or what other people who could see them's Religion was? Also, I kind of have some more questions about auras, to anyone else who can see them, can you send me a PM if they're avaible in this website? Thanks again! -_^

[mershwista]

I'm not convinced that such abilities exist, as every time those who claim they can see auras are tested, they fail to see auras through, say, curtains, which they claim should not impede their aura-seeing abilities.

[Taosaur]

Philip K. Dick was a Christian, and he saw a Mysterious Pink Beam, so I'd say it's fair game.

[Sisyphus50]

My uncle tried to teach my brother and I to see auras when we were children, but my mother forbid it because she "wanted us to grow up normal". Looking back now, I think all he was doing was showing us that if you stare at something for long enough then shift your gaze slightly, the color-receiving cones in your retina get tired of looking at the same color so they get lazy, causing you to see the opposite color. Try it with a brightly colored object and a piece of paper. Stare at it for 30-40 seconds intently, then look at the blank paper. You'll see it's complimentary color.

[ChaybaChayba]

According to science you can read someones brainstate from their skin all over their body. Your whole body is surrounded by an electrical field that reflects your brainstate, your emotional state. That is how they read your brain with EEG. Sensors applied to the scalp because the signal is strongest there, but they can also read it from anywhere on your skin. So it should be possible to create a device that sees peoples auras. They already made something much more complicated to see peoples brain (fMRI). But are there people out there who can see them? I don't know, I guess it could be possible.. Most people can't see infrared, some people can (and you can too if you stay in a darkroom for a few days).. maybe some people can see auras..

[Sisyphus50]

Most people can't see infrared, some people can (and you can too if you stay in a darkroom for a few days).. maybe some people can see auras.. What? Do you have a citation for that? That's impossible as far as I am aware.

[ClouD]

Mmm, you should've looked into this more before posting. Meh. Jesus Buddha Krishna There you go. Make up your mind now. *Edit* Oh and I didn't mean for any of the pictures to be larger than each other. Just found what I could.

[ChaybaChayba]

What? Do you have a citation for that? That's impossible as far as I am aware. I've read this on several places, you can try it out for yourself... http://www.physicsforums.com/archive.../t-134077.html

[mershwista]

Random, anonymous people who post on forums such as the one you just cited can lie, you know...

[Sisyphus50]

Yeah I meant more like a scientific citation, not an anecdote from a forum.

[ChaybaChayba]

Random, anonymous people who post on forums such as the one you just cited can lie, you know... In case you didn't notice, this is also a forum with random anynomous people. Yeah I meant more like a scientific citation, not an anecdote from a forum. http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/0...et_might_.html Btw, apparently you didn't notice, but that was a science forum, and those guys on there are trying to be as scientific as possible.

[Serkat]

An anecdote from a blog isn't specifically more valuable than an anecdote from a forum, you know... Oh and auras are complete bullshit, KTHXBYE.

[ChaybaChayba]

An anecdote from a blog isn't specifically more valuable than an anecdote from a forum, you know... Everything can be faked. Learn to live with it and stop being so paranoid. if you want 'valuable anecdotes' than the internet is not the place for you. The blog quoted a scientific anecdote. The guy who writes the blog also wrote a very popular book about how the brain works. This is one of the leading scientists when it comes down to the brain. If you don't believe in science, I can't give you any 'valuable anecdote'.

[Sandform]

Mmm, you should've looked into this more before posting. Meh. Jesus http://www.rickrichards.com/chakras/Jesus_halo2.jpg Buddha http://www.healingguru.com/blog/wp-c.../07/Buddha.gif Krishna http://images.exoticindiaart.com/hin...ishna_hd18.jpg[ There you go. Make up your mind now. *Edit* Oh and I didn't mean for any of the pictures to be larger than each other. Just found what I could. Somebody somewhere said that those were based off the sun.

[Serkat]

Everything can be faked. Learn to live with it and stop being so paranoid. if you want 'valuable anecdotes' than the internet is not the place for you. The blog quoted a scientific anecdote. The guy who writes the blog also wrote a very popular book about how the brain works. This is one of the leading scientists when it comes down to the brain. If you don't believe in science, I can't give you any 'valuable anecdote'. Please stick a pencil into your right eye.

[Sisyphus50]

Please stick a pencil into your right eye. Ta for that, I needed tea up my nose this morning And if your source contains the word 'blog' or 'hacks' in its title, I don't need to even look at it before I conclude it's not what I was asking for. The human eye can only see in the 380-750nm range wavelength of light. I sincerely doubt they are able to see in infra-red, considering how bodies have infra-red detectors all over them, in the form of skin. The IR part of the spectrum starts at 750nm and just goes up from there. It's conceivable that people might be able to see between 750-800nm in rare cases, but that wouldn't give you 'heat-vision' or anything remotely interesting. Sitting under a doona and pressing a button on a TV remote control aimed at your face doesn't really qualify as a scientific experiment.

[ChaybaChayba]

It's conceivable that people might be able to see between 750-800nm in rare cases, but that wouldn't give you 'heat-vision' or anything remotely interesting. I give you scientific evidence, you refuse to even read it, therefor, you are just simply ignoring me. Whats the use of having a discussion of you completely ignore other points of view? I mean, you don't even read. To me it seems like you're talking to yourself and trying to convince yourself... I belief in science. Science proved it. I'll take the words of science over your improvised speculation anytime. I claim something, and back it up with science. You claim something, and back it up with speculative bullshit. Why do you people start get so aggressive just because I'm stating scientific facts? Why are you getting so angry at me for? Get angry at science.. I mean seriously, telling me to kill myself just because I know a tiny lil bit more about science than you is kinda sick..

[Sisyphus50]

You didn't provide scientific evidence, you provided a blog. And I did read it. My choice of words was just to point out that from the url link it was not what I was asking for ie: a peer reviewed journal. You linked to a 100-word summary of a army experiment done in 1969, which wasn't even completed. "giving them greater sensitivity to light of longer wavelengths" What length was the wavelength? Just how sensitive to it were they? Could they see it dead-on or only with their peripheral vision? These are important details which are pretty important to your claim. Now the paper that this experiment was written from might be worth reading, but that blog was not it. I think I'm justified in doubting your source material when the very next article linked by it is "Is daydreaming linked to Alzheimer's?".

[Sandform]

Chayba the article (and also the experiment) prove nothing because they weren't able to finish the investigation. Perhaps had they finished it it would be in favor of what you are saying, but unfortunately all that was established was. "Still, the experiment demonstrates that photopigments select what one can see; changing those photopigments would change one's vision. " However the fact remains that your original statement has had NO support given. "Most people can't see infrared, some people can (and you can too if you stay in a darkroom for a few days).. " The part in bold is what is lacking evidence to back it up...and unfortunately even the argument that you decided to give didn't has no conclusive evidence. Seeing in the dark is not the same as seeing infrared.

[ChaybaChayba]

Actually it's you who didn't provide scientific evidence. I did, I even gave you an expirement you can conduct at home for yourself, and see for yourself that science holds the truth. I strongly belief in science, and I don't think you will be able to convince me otherwise. You do realize, that you have less evidence and arguments than me? Actually you have none at all. So it should be you trying to defend your point of view, not me. It is your point of view that goes against science, not mine. Do you really believe, because you can do the expirement at home, and see for yourself that you can actually see infrared, it does not have any scientifical value? Isn't such an expirement that lets you see the truth with your own eyes the most valuable one?

[Sisyphus50]

I even gave you an expirement you can conduct at home for yourself, and see for yourself that science holds the truth. Sitting under a doona and pressing a button on a TV remote control aimed at your face doesn't really qualify as a scientific experiment. You do realize, that you have less evidence and arguments than me? The onus is not on us to disprove your outrageous claim. The onus is on you to prove it to us.

[ChaybaChayba]

This is not my outrageous claim, this is the claim of science. And science has already proven it wether you like it or not.

[Sandform]

I would love to meet Science where does he live? What exactly about the links you provided proved it?

[Sisyphus50]

Anecdotes and incomplete experiments don't qualify as science just because you say they do. Most people can't see infrared, some people can (and you can too if you stay in a darkroom for a few days).. Furthermore - this won't allow you to see wavelengths that you couldn't see previously. It will only adapt your eyes (by opening your pupil) to see more of wavelengths you could already see previously.

[Sandform]

I performed the blanket remote thing, and I could see no light. Here is what I did see however. I used the remote receptively and moved it around, soon a collection of dots appeared that did not go away. However, series of dots are always apparent, even while I look at objects in the light (I believe people refer to them as sunspots?) Essentially I saw no infrared light, the closest thing that could be said is that it (being light) effected my eyes, but not in a sense that provided sight, but in a sense that, like any other light, leaves a bleach impression that causes your eyes to bugg out. Much like looking at a light bulb for a long time then looking away. However since I was in the dark, and your brain does some funny things with vision when you think hard enough (check out my post about blind spots) it doesn't really say anything. Especially since when in the dark my vision creates new dots anyway on its own.