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      If God knows everything before it even happens..

      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      if you can read this then you are about to be punched

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      He likes to see people fail the test.

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      Maybe there's a big difference between knowing what it's going to be like to
      skydive and the actual conscious experience of skydiving.

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      If he knew that creating the universe the way he did would result in billions of people being tortured for eternity, it is messed up that he didn't go, "Oh, that would be terrible. I think I will try a different plan." What is also interesting is that the plan involved such mass horror because he requires that people assume he exists when they can't be sure and has a rule that they must worship him. Who is this jerk?
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Huh, I missed that little bit about hell. 'Guess I can't answer your question, then.

      There are two uses for the idea of hell, however, that could explain its use.
      The first (and most probable?) is that is was a fabrication by the people to
      scare others into believing in their faith. The second is that hell was made up
      by this God to get people without morals to keep from doing harm to others
      (we're familiar with the argument that atheists generally have stronger morals
      than the religious). The third option I wouldn't be able to explain would be that
      hell is real and to be used on people.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      I've posed that question in the past as well. If God is the Alpha and the Omega, shouldn't he know who's going to go to hell by the life they'll live on Earth before they're even born? If so, why would he allow them to be born in the first place? Not only that, but why would he torture that poor soul with religious messages on Earth about how God loves him and how he has a choice as to where he'll end up when he passes away from this Earth. This falls under the freewill argument...an exhausted argument but nevertheless, still thought provoking.
      Things are not as they seem

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      He would not let us evolve, instead we stay where we are at, at whatever he wants us to be. That way nobody goes to hell except Satan who can cry alone in his steaming hot bath.


      Although i am wondering why everyone thinks Christian god is the only god to talk about? there are many out there, but everyone talks about the C angry god, and uses that god as the only one to talk about and start with the "there is no god" parade because that god is illogical in a human mind. Blah, i'm just finding it old.
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      Has anyone here heard of Karma?

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      We're here on earth to develop a brain, a heart, and some courage! Didn't you ever watch the Wizard of Oz? Frank L. Baum knew what we're here for. A little thought and common sense might suggest it as well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      It's an invalid question, because no one goes to hell and only a select few goes to heaven, The rest will inherit the Earth. The scriptures make that one pretty clear.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      It's an invalid question, because no one goes to hell and only a select few goes to heaven, The rest will inherit the Earth. The scriptures make that one pretty clear.
      Which scripture are you talking about? I'm pretty sure that's Jehovah Witness.
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      Ne-yo, are you a Jehovah's Witness? Was that you who knocked on my door a few Saturday mornings ago?
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Which scripture are you talking about? I'm pretty sure that's Jehovah Witness.
      It's in all the bibles, the scriptures actually do make it pretty clear. Especially the part regarding what happens to a person when they die. Heaven nor hell was a part of it.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Ne-yo, are you a Jehovah's Witness? Was that you who knocked on my door a few Saturday mornings ago?
      Nope, not a Jehovah's witness, I don't attend any church. Most of the time Pastors are pretty biased regarding their teachings.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      Most of the time Pastors are pretty biased regarding their teachings.
      Damn you, Ne-Yo! My irony meter just exploded and got mercury everywhere.

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      didi anyone mention the popular concept called freewill

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      Congratulations, you've just discovered Calvinism.

      John Calvin was a theologian who reasoned that predestination was the answer to the question of who goes where after they die. God knows everything so God already knows that; you're either born damned or you're not. His theology formed the basis for much of 15th and 16th century religion in colonial America until the rise of the Great Awakening and "thinking" ministers such as Jonathan Edwards, who reasoned that a perfect God could not possibly permit predestination since the responsibility of someone murdering someone can be invariably traced back to God.

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      God is timeless, then it means that every moment in our time will essentially be the same moment to him.
      All our moments will exist with His timeless moment simultaneously. This would mean that, assuming God has great powers of observation, God could know about our choices by directly observing them happen. 'Will' doesn't equal 'must' and that God's knowledge is contingent on our choices, not the other way round. In other words, if I would have choose differently, God would have 'know' differently.

      It is said with God there is no past, present or future just now because God lives outside our time barrier.

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      If he knew that creating the universe the way he did would result in billions of people being tortured for eternity, it is messed up that he didn't go, "Oh, that would be terrible. I think I will try a different plan." What is also interesting is that the plan involved such mass horror because he requires that people assume he exists when they can't be sure and has a rule that they must worship him. Who is this jerk?
      It is always mankind preaching the views of god with the use of a book that has been twisted into a form of controlling the majority. Let the God simply be what it is: Love. Judging is not a part of a divine being, but of human immorality.
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      "Life is much like a barren road. You can choose to leave it and end up in a deserted wasteland, or you can follow the road to see what is beyond the horizon."

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      Why don't you ask him yourself?

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      Why are we even on this Earth?
      We are in his little sandbox he used to play with when he was kid. Now he has hit the puberty and is partying day and night. Sometime, when he has hangover, he comes to take a smoke outside and kicks the toys in the sandbox because his head aches so.
      Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hellohihello View Post
      Why are we even on this Earth? Doesn't he know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell already?
      Because he doesn't exist. It would be so incredibly obvious if he really did exist and was what he is purported to be by the sand-people, these questions would be completely irrelevant.

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      According to the bible angles and man were created sinless in the immage of god. Satan and other angels fell away from god and tempted eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil " you will be like god knowing good from bad". This was the first sin which according to the bible we are all born with. According to the bible god didn't want us to suffer that was lucifer (Satan). Life is short I don't like the odds of 1 hour a week at church vs eternity In hell. Being a Christian doesn't mean you can't live the only rule that hurts the religion is that of no premarital sex. The bible doesn't say you can't drink,smoke,do drugs or have fun that's the radicals you see on tv.

      Also any Christian who says evolution isn't real is a dumbass
      Last edited by inhuman; 10-03-2009 at 07:14 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dengan View Post
      We worry about the most irrelevant things sometimes.
      Whether or not you end up being tortured for eternity is completely relevant. It's an absurd concept, but a relevant one. If there is an afterlife involving any kind of extreme feeling, this life is virtually nothing in comparison.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      I agree with you universal mind I don't know about the afterlife and there is only one way to find out (or not find out)

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