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Day 17:
Possibly an FA although I'm not sure, felt like a sort of half-awake / half-dreaming state, possibly an FA that I was "dreaming" in? Not sure if I should count it as an FA, I'll put it under "Other".
Day 18:
No attempt, slept through the whole night.
Attempted Nights: 13
Total Attempts: ~19
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.5
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Other: 1
Day 19:
No attempt.
Day 20:
3 or 4 quick cycles and 3 or 4 long cycles after a natural wake up during the night, no effect on rest of the night.
Attempted Nights: 14
Total Attempts: ~20
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.4
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Other: 1
I just wanted to note that the FA's are very hard to catch. Sometimes an FA rolls into a regular dream and you don't remember the transition or you think that you just woke up in between dreams when you really just had an FA (in some cases) if you remember the FA at all. You can also have an FA that you are lying in bed and you start doing the cycles again within the dream. It is always good to have a motionless RC in your arsenal. It took me months before I realized that some of my awakenings or wakefulness were FAs.Quote:
Day 17:
Possibly an FA although I'm not sure, felt like a sort of half-awake / half-dreaming state, possibly an FA that I was "dreaming" in? Not sure if I should count it as an FA, I'll put it under "Other".
I'm pretty confident in my FA catching abilities, almost all of my awakenings after SSILD were at the end of dreams and they were real awakenings.
Speaking of FAs I did have another semi-FA this morning that rolled into a weird dream, I say semi because it turned into a proper unconscious dream in just a couple seconds.
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Day 21:
Woke up after 5 hours of sleep naturally (I wanted to but didn't set an alarm, power of intention yay), did SSILD on my back at least 4 long cycles, tried to fall asleep on my back but too uncomfortable, turned over into my natural position and fell asleep. Woke up from one of those bathroom dreams after a really tiny FA. I would more likely attribute this FA to needing to go the bathroom rather than SSILD, but I'll mark it down.
Attempted Nights: 15
Total Attempts: ~21
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.4
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Day 22:
No attempt.
Day 23:
Fell asleep at the start of SSILD.
Attempted Nights: 16
Total Attempts: ~21
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.3
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Mind if I join? I've been focusing on SSILD lately, because it seems to boost my awareness somewhat. I'll count tonight as Night 1.
Day 24:
Woke up from a nightmarish dream, did a few quick SSILD cycles followed by I think 1 long one before I fell asleep. Had one of my normal imagination dreams but at the end of it it turned more realistic and I was sitting in the front seat of a car with somebody driving me somewhere, suddenly they started breaking all the road rules which was weird because normally they were a good driver and when the car drove up on top of a line of cars at a traffic light I thought "what the hell are you doing! This has to be a dream!" and then I almost face palmed because "duh!" I did a reality check just to make sure and woke up!
But wait it wasn't a real wake up, it was an FA, everything was hyper realistic but my room wasn't quite right, I got up and stabilised but once I walked out of the room it destabilised very quickly and I woke up for real after about half a minute. Probably because I didn't have much REM left since I was already dreaming for a decent 30 ish minutes before this point.
I did SSILD after two more wake ups after that but the rest of my dreams were normal.
Since I can't say if it was SSILD related here are a couple of other things I was doing that day:
- I was "feeling the ground" as I walked most of the day, very in tune with my feet (this is a meditation but also a tai chi chuan thing)
- Before I went to bed I was reading on the forums about punishment induced lucid dreams and I thought it was pretty funny so I thought if I didn't get a DILD tonight I would have to eat an olive in the morning (I hate olives), I wasn't very serious about it but just the thought of having to do that did leave an impression. I also thought I'd have ice cream if I did DILD.
At the moment I don't think SSILD itself really causes FAs or DILDs, I think it's basically the same as the 61 point relaxation technique where you move your awareness through 61 points of the body, except here you move your awareness through just 3, the effect is the same though, it just gives the mind something to work on so that it stops flapping in the wind and becomes more focused and relaxed.
Anyway I'm eating ice cream right now. =P
Attempted Nights: 17
Total Attempts: ~24
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.4
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 1
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Day 1:
Did a few quick SSILD cycles before sleeping. Woke up four times over the course of the night and did SSILD every time before going back to sleep, but kept losing focus during cycles, and had trouble falling back asleep. Not sure if my recent awakenings are due to SSILD, but usually I only wake up once or twice per night. No LDs, not very good recall.
Attempts: 1
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 25:
No attempt or nothing worth mentioning.
Day 26:
Fell asleep after one cycle, I've probably been relaxing a bit too much while doing them.
Attempted Nights: 18
Total Attempts: ~24
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.3
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 1
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Day 27:
I woke up after about 5.5 to 6 hours of sleep naturally and was really sleepy, as I was falling asleep I started doing SSILD but my mind wandered a couple of times and I was afraid that I would fall asleep like yesterday, so I forced my concentration on the cycles and stopped any wanderings as soon as they arose. I did 3 quick cycles and after that I'm not sure how many long cycles, I think maybe just 1 complete cycle because the other times my mind wandered in the middle of it. It went something like *eyes....* *random thoughts* *kill random thoughts* *eyes....* *hearing....* *almost fell asleep* *eyes....* (50s) *hearing.....*(30s) *body.....* (20s), although it was very mixed up.
While I was busy concentrating I already transitioned into a dream, it must have happened sometime during the long cycle and I was still trying to SSILD for another few minutes before realising I was already dreaming. I ended up chaining 2 or 3 LDs (wake up, stay still, fall back into LD) and had about an hour's worth of LDing, each time I chained back the LD was more stable.
I feel this experience is quite repeatable and didn't feel like a one off, might even be possible to do it every night. Also I'm counting it as a WILD, although that distinction is only clear to me because I was aware of the whole thing, if you fall asleep while doing the cycles and then jerk into awareness during the dream because you're still focused on SSILD you might think it's a DILD or FA.
Attempted Nights: 19
Total Attempts: ~25
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.3
WILDs: 3
DILDs: 1
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Day 28:
Fell asleep before I could SSILD.
Day 29:
4 hours of sleep so no attempt.
Attempted Nights: 20
Total Attempts: ~25
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.2
WILDs: 3
DILDs: 1
FAs: 1
Other: 1
Day 30:
I was planning on repeating day 27 today but unfortunately I was pretty tired and couldn't keep my concentration up and fell asleep, easily fixed by staying up a bit longer in the future.
30 day experiment over!
Wooooh! :yddd:
In the next week or so I will try to fix the last little issues and hopefully I'll be able to repeat day 27 any night I want, after I get to that point I'll write up exactly what I ended up doing and how I think SSILD works.
Attempted Nights: 21
Total Attempts: ~25
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.2
WILDs: 3
DILDs: 1
FAs: 1
Other: 1
I'll start journaling my attempts as well
Day 1
I did a WBTB at 3:30 and walked to the bathroom.. used the toilett and washed my face.. came back and started with SSILD.. had a rather hard time falling asleep but it wasn't to bad
didn't get anything in particular in my dreams
Attempts: 1
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
Just wanted to write up a small update, I'm still doing SSILD and working on getting it to work every night but progress is slower than I anticipated, making some headway though, I've even had a couple of spontaneous LDs which hasn't happened for a while so things are looking good. =]
Day 2
I woke up tonight and tried to SSILD but after some time my alarm went off so I'm not sure whether that was an FA or not .. I then did the planned WBTB at 3:30 followed by SSILD but again didn't get anything special
Attempts: 2
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 3
SUCCESS
again I did a WBTB at 3:30 which was roughly 5h30m (without the time I need to fall asleep) after going to bed
this time I just took a few steps in my room to get awake enough to actually attempt to SSILD
at that point it wasn't to hard to fall asleep but I could actually concentrate on the technique
I had an FA which I didn't notice as one:
In the dream I was lying in bed and took a look at the time using my phone. I was holding it above my head and set an alarm to go off in one hour. After blinking and opening my eyes again the time had passed and I was still holding my phone on which I especially noticed the battery going down in that hour which I thought to had been asleep in. Now I did that a few more times but didn't dream anything while apparently sleeping for one hour again and again. So I thought maybe I need more sleep to actually start dreaming and either set the alarm to 5 hours from now or not at all I'm not sure anymore. Upon closing my eyes and waiting for a few seconds I could somehow feel that I might have actually entered a dream from being awake (again it really was just a FA). I did the old faithful and pinched my nose and there we go I was lucid in my bed (the second FA). I'm gonna skip the details but after making everything more than 100% vivid I closed my eyes for a few moments and when I opened them again I was actually awake. God dammit the next LD that was murdered so early and unpredictably for no good reason MUST NOT CLOSE EYES
SSILD ftw I hope the success rate continues like that
Attempts: 3
LDs: 1
FAs: 2
Day 4 and Day 5
both times pretty much the same thing happened:
I woke up before my wbtb alert and deactivated th one I had planned. I got up and walked around in my room for a few moments but after lying down again I just couldn't concentrate on SSILD. My thoughts drifted away before I was even able to perform a single cycle. I won't even call these 2 attempts because I didn't try nearly hard enough.
Attempts: 3
LDs: 1
FAs: 2
Day 6
Again I woke up before my alarm and deactivated the one I had set. This time it was easier to concentrate than the last two nights. I didn't get any special results though.
Attempts: 4
LDs: 1
FAs: 2
Day 7
I woke up to my alarm at 3:30 and did a WBTB. To wake up a bit I wrote down my last dream and went to the bathroom. After that I was awake enuogh to concentrate on the cycles. I didn't have an LD or anything special though.
Attempts: 5
LDs: 1
FAs: 2
Day 8
SUCCESS
So I woke up at 3:30 to my WBTB alarm and performed some SSILD cycles. I woke up a bit after that and again attempted SSILD a second time. In the following dream I though about the possibilty of this being a dream and it instantly hit me. I did a few RCs and after trying to enhance my vision everything went black. I was still in the dream but I just couldn't see a damn thing. It was pretty clear that the LD was pretty much over at that point. The only thing I could still try was open my eyes and hope that I'm still in my dream but I was lying in my bed. I'm pretty sure that was just an FA though and didn't notice that until I actually woke up in the morning.
It's important that I remember to try and open my eyes using my dream arms/hands so I can't actually open my real eyes should something similar happen again.
Attempts: 7
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
Day 9
I can hardly even remember waking up for my WBTB nor can I remember any dreams which happens really rarely so that about sums up how little I was able to attempt to SSILD.
Attempts: 7
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
Day 10 and Day 11
Since school has startd again I am pretty stressed and horribly failed at doing a WBTB and SSILD.
Attempts: 7
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
Hi everyone!
I was curious about the method and started SSILD 2 days ago - together with ADA.
Yesterday night, 2nd try, I had an amazing very long lucid dream (actually I had 4 FA but I did RT every time, so there were 4 DEILD chained lucids!:rolllaugh:
Now, there are two things that I am impressed about: first this is my first lucid after 3 months of no success and second I usually try for many days or weeks befor getting one! This was phenomenal for me - also the first attempt produced interesting hypnagogic sensetions and a FA. I guess it is the ADA practice as well but this was by far the easiest (and one of the longest) lucids of my life !
I will definetly stick with both techniques!
P.s.1: I did SSILD both when I went to bed (23:30) AND after WBTB (05:00) and I believe the first set has set the stage for the second...
P.s. 2: Thanks Cosmic Iron!
Day 12
i couldn't manage to properly WBTB again QwQ
Attempts: 7
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
Day 13
This time around I forced myself to stand up by placing my phone far away from my bed. At least I did 2 SSILD cycles and remembered slightly more of my dreams than I did the previous days but I would not call that an actual attempt either... I'll have to get myself to stay up a little longer on my WBTBs.
Attempts: 7
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
the amount of miserable half assed attempts already reached 7 as well
Day 14
I woke up for my WBTB but didn't do a proper SSILD. A bit later in the morning I woke up again and this time I did a better attempt at SSILD and had a really awesome, long, vivid and fun dream.
Attempts: 8
LDs: 2
FAs: 3
Day 15
SUCCESS
This time I managed to give myself a good run up for SSILD. To wake up enough when doing my WBTB I scrambled my Rubik's Cube and put it on my nightstand. When I woke up I solved it (know the algorithms ..takes about 5 minutes depending on your luck to solve one). After that I went back to bed and performed SSILD doing several cycles before falling asleep. During that sleep cycle I had a very very long vivid dream and at the end of it I just realized that I was in fact in a dream. It just happened while I was thinking about all different kinds of things I guess.
When I woke up I did SSILD again and had another very vivid dream but I didn't become lucid.
Attempts: 10
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Was too tired to try anything for two nights and yesterday I slept early, woke up 04:30 and tried the SSILD again.
I did have another lucid but was tricked by a FA shortly after I realized I was dreaming. I count this as a L.D. though.
So, 3 attempts, 2 lucids so far. Best method ever for me :-P
Apart from this I am 5th day on ADA - I guess this helps a lot!
Two things I noticed are: 1.I have to sleep early and not be tired - crucial.
2.I have to remind myself to do a RT every time I drift and then find myself in bed - FA are very common with SSILD.
I will definitely keep up at least 30 attempts...
Day 16
Woke up somewhere around 1-2am (before my WBTB alarm) and again solved my Rubik's Cube to wake up a bit. I was awake enough to do some cycles of SSILD but didn't get an LD or anything special.
Attempts: 11
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 17 and Day 18
I Did the Rubik's Cube thing again on my WBTB. After that I was awake enough to concentrate on the SSILD cycles but didn't have any LDs or such.
Attempts: 13
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
ok I'm gonna do this so I feel obligated to report daily progress therefore I'll actually attempt to ssild every morning.
Day 1
Fell asleep a little before 10 pm, woke up at 5:22 am. four minute wbtb. I guess I missed the 6-7 hour window. didn't sleep well, could it have been an fa?
Attempts:1
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 2
Fell asleep again a little before 10 pm, woke up at 4:18. 7 minute wbtb. throughout the 1 and a half hour i was in and out of consciousness i did the hand and breathing rc's. i was awoken at 6 am just as i was about to get deeper into a dream, it might have been the point where i stopped being in and out. but someone had to make the fish burgers. it may have worked had i been allowed some more sleep.
Attempts: 2
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 3
Same time I slept, woke at 4 am. 5 minute wbtb. Didn't check for an fa, it may have been one. no lucids 😔.
Tonight I'll sleep 2 hours later and set my alarm instead of naturally waking up.
Attempts: 3
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Going to try this tomorrow. I realllyyy want to try it this night, but the party (read: beer) will definitely ruin it anyway.
Day 19 and 20
faaar to tired due to school.. couldn't pull off a WBTB
Attempts: 13
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 21
I had an LD (for the fifth week in a row between saturday and sunday) but that was before my WBTB and therefore not triggered by SSILD... woke up between 1am and 2am. Afterwards I was to tired to perform WBTB+SSILD
Attempts: 13
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 4
I went to bed at 12, fell asleep a little before 1 am. I set my alarm to 7:00, but the alarm was so quiet it woke me up five minutes later. 5 minute wbtb, spent ~45 minutes rolling and tossing before giving up. on the ssild thread, the creator of the method mentioned a technique where you imagine pinching your nose after you've awoken from ssild and are certain you're awake. i tried it but i never slept in the first place.
i'll climb into bed at 10 instead.
Attempts: 4
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 22
I finally managed to do a few nice circles of SSILD during my WBTB again but sadly to no avail
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 5 (picking up where i left off cuz i couldn't really try these past weeks)
Slept around 10, woke up at 4:30 am. 5 minute wbtb. i had some lengthy non lucids, woke up a few times during the 1h30 min sleep after wbtb, didn't check for FA's!!
Attempts: 5
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 23 and 24
again I was far to tired to attempt WILD and SSILD.. school is really not going easy on my LD efforts QwQ
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 25
This night I didn't even wake up to my WBTB alarm this time somehow but I head my longest LD yet.
After I woke up I tried focussing on SSILD but couldn't fall asleep anymore as it was already to close to the time I have to get up at.
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 6 (again picking up where i left off)
I decided to wake up naturally wake up instead of using an alarm clock. I ended up waking up 8 hours later and i didn't expect it work anyway. Woke up several times after ssild cycles, did not check for fa which i must get into a habit of...
Attempts: 6
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 7
Slept before 12, woke up at 6:40 am, 5 minute wbtb. I was on the brink of waking up so there was no point. I should set my alarm clock exactly at 6 hours after i sleep and sleep earlier so i don't awaken when it's a bit light.
Attempts: 7
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 26 and 27
to tired again.. pretty much fell asleep right after turning off the alarm :/
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Just a brief update on my attempts.
Since my last post I had a very hard time at work with long working hours and most of the nights I was way too tired to try anything. During this time, I managed to accomplish just 2 more SSILD attempts with no success. I am pretty sure that the failure was due to tiredness and in the future, I will be sure to try the technique only when I will be rested and have plenty of time to sleep.
So up to now, 5 attempts, 2 Lucids.
Day 8
Slept before 10:30, woke up at 4:30. no success. I think i'll aim to wake up between 5-6 hours instead of 6-7.
Attempts: 8
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 28 and 29
I was/am sick and did even worse than the last days.
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 9/10
Pretty much the same...slept before 9 or 10, woke up around 4, nothing much. I wonder what'd happen if i were allowed to sleep beyond 6...
Attempts: 10
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Ok I'm starting this too, mostly for myself to keep track of my own progress. I know I have done this for awhile but I don't know how.
Day 1(last night): I did WBTB. I got up and went on my computer for WAY too long and got almost no sleep. Except in the morning, I got up and I was like.... what the hell? Because I didn't go on my computer. But I did. Probably FA or a not-noticed dream transition. It was too hazy for me to know which one.
FAs: 1
Lucids: 0
Attempts: 1
Day 30
again no progress due to being far to tired and school and all the usual stress factors
now that 30 days are over i can say that it has worked surprisingly well in the beginning.. but i couldn't even reach 15 attempts in 30 nights since school really diminished my motivation and overall progress
Attempts: 14
LDs: 3
FAs: 3
Day 11
Slept at 12 am, woke up at 6:30 and several times before. just had some crappy sleep. i know i was in rem, did a 5 min. wbtb. just some dreams.
Attempts: 11
LD's: 0
FA's: 0
Day 12
I figured something out, if i try ssild periodically instead of daily only then i'll find more success. So i before 1 am, woke up at 7:25. 5 minute wbtb. Sometime before 9 i encountered paralysis, some sensations as i became aware of my dream body. paralysis took over, i desperately tried to immerse myself in the images behind my eyelids which i shouldn't have done. i thought i was entering a dream but i should've opened my eyes because i rolled out of bed but i didn't see nothing and then snapped right back. i need to take a break...
Sorry if this is necroposting, but I've been able to try on the past 2 days, and it broke my 6 month long dryspell. just my own 2 cents
Hello folks! I am new to this forum, but it seems I am also doing some 'necroposting'. Ik have been doing WBTB and MILD for one month, very disciplined, not one LD. Wrote down more than 100 dreams during that time. Ik discovered the SSILD manual 3 days ago. Tried it, and the second day I had a solid LD. So I plan to follow this up. OK to post it here?
Guido13
I've never understood why people don't like necroposting. Makes no sense to me.
I *like* it when old, large (and therefore probably interesting) threads are brought back to life by someone who stumbles upon it.
So for me, I'd be all for you writing your own experiences here.
This is something of a side-note, though, as I haven't been on these forums much recently myself. (though would be interested in hearing specific reasons other members dislike necro-posting so much)
Thanx, Venrix!
I am now on my 5th day with SSILD. No new LD's, but I have had some very interesting dreams. I will post a comment after the 7th day. One thing stands out, however: I think SSILD does something special in the brain. If I had a scanner:cooler:...I would like to see what happens with this cycles. I can feel it messes with my head!
7 days with SSILD. I did exactly follow the manual. Most remarkable was 1 solid lucid dream, where I practiced meditation. Another night, I had 5 dreams, and every dream had a clear "message" to me. I have had these before, but 5 in a row and in one night! I found this very interesting. I will continue for a while with SSILD, but now mixing it with other approaches. Tonight I will also use a tea of Entadi Rheedii.