Day 30
Another lucid and two more false awakenings.
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 35 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 14, Lucids: 8, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2
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Day 30
Another lucid and two more false awakenings.
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 35 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 14, Lucids: 8, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2
Day 2 and 3
Didn't have enough sleep to do it on either days.
Attempts: 1, Lucids: 1
But I had plenty of sleep, considering I got up at 12pm. That's nine hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Didn't plan to start SSILD, but after this day having 3 WILD, I half unconsciously decided to try SSILD, and had 4-5 FA, including a very strange one when I was sleeping next to our dining table, and wake up to eat candies which was all over the table (though I don't really like candies, and we don't even have), I grabbed as much as I could with my arms and started eating one which I think does not even exists.
Day 5
No lucid...I do had a dream where my mom had died. I woke up more than 5 times, and in the dreams that followed she was still dead.
Attempts: 5
Lucid's: 1
Well, that ought to do something to your sleep cycles... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder
Day 5
No results, but my bad, I fell asleep pretty quickly again in the middle of cycle 2 at best.
Day 6
No results. I am not going to count this as an attempt since I fell back asleep basically instantly.
Attempts: 5; Lucid Dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2
One thing odd about the past 3 days: The only times I got to do any decent cycles was before falling asleep the first time for the night. And each night, my first dream after this is a non-lucid dream where I am talking about lucid dreaming or even sort of demonstrating it. I bet I would become lucid during these if it wasn't during the very short 1st REM cycle.
Tonight I will try to stay up for 15 minutes during each awakening so I can get in some decent cycles before falling asleep.
No results for the 8th and 9th day. Too little sleep. Parties and things kept me up. Not drinking parties, just hanging out with friends, so it shouldn't effect my recall or anything tonight. I had about 3 dreams a night in the lack of sleep days. So recall was halved. Couldn't make it through the cycles without falling asleep because of the tiredness.
BUT! I am feeling fine tonight, not too tired. Confidence up! Ready to LD! I am redoing nights 8 and 9 since other factors stopped me from doing them (no sleep) I am moving up my plan to now with no ADA or anything, just SSILD. I haven't done anything for it the last two days, so we shall see.
So tomorrow week 2 starts! I'll compare the 3 weeks and 2 days to the week with ADA. If any of them pass it up, I will probably switch to only SSILD full time. 15 is the number to beat. :) any of the seven days in a row together will work doesn't have to be part of a week cycle. Hope that makes sense! I am excited now. I am going to bed.
bhkbsflifg! Ugh, I keep getting so close! (I know you're not supposed to do this, but I was just feeling stupid) Last night, right before I went to sleep, I did the SSILD while daydreaming, and I got my mind to start swirling again. I was all like "Wheeeeeee!" And I took someone's advice and attempted to roll over and see if I roll into a dream. Nothing happened, typically. But there's something I don't get: are you supposed to roll physically or mentally, cause I was full-aware that I was awake. I don't get it! D:
Also, every attempt at napping always gets interrupted by construction, my dog, my family, the doorbell... And I tried the binaural waves thing, but that just gave me a headache x_x
You need to be deep in sleep paralysis for that to work :| It's for OOBE.Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
Day 5
Alarm got me out of bed about 5 and half hours of sleep. I was ina dream where in some point I said to myself "so this is a dream, huh. But is it a nightmare, or just a dream with some action? Apparently it is just an action story" and then the dream went on. No real licidity arised, but it gets me rhinking I am getting close.
Anyway, Woke myself more fully this time, to the point I wascapable of doing all the cycles without falling asleep. Mind wandered off just a few times and I quickly realized it. While i write this I recalled a dream and apparently it began with a false awakening.
Hey, BrandonBoss, I remember you said you did some conditioning fr waking up after every REM cycle. Do you you feel it affects your sleep? And would you mind sharing how you do it? :p
DILDs: 0, FAs: 1
The one time I successfully rolled out of bed, into an "OOBE", it was in-between mental rolling and physical rolling. It was basically trying to shift your weight without actually moving your body. As a kid, maybe you remember doing that for fun or something. (I know I did)Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
So anyway, if I were to say how to do it, I'd say 'anticipate your rolling over, and try to do so as hard as you can without ending up actually moving, at least, not more than an inch or so'. You just want to get that feeling of weightiness on one side, of your muscles pulling in that direction but not hard enough to actually turn you over. I've only had one "OOBE", though, so maybe that's not how it feels for most people. :)
Once I did the above, with a bit more effort I got my dream body to roll off the bed, and yet felt that it wasn't strong enough to have moved me if I was actually awake. So I think dream movements require less will-power to be realized, so you can take advantage of this and keep yourself from accidentally rolling off the bed while you're still awake.
Maybe. I think it's good to mix it up every once in a while. No matter. I'll be going to bed at 10 tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Ooooohhh, ok. I've never actually been in SP, but I have experienced hypnogogia while still awake. However, that only lasted for like, three seconds :I How exactly would you describe SP? Cause I've felt numb and tingly before, but it's not like I was cemented in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
SP is when you can't move your body because it is paralyzed. Numb and tingly feelings are just the feelings of falling asleep. SP occurs as soon as you enter REM. So on initial sleep you can only enter SP after the first 85 min. After that it just all depends on when you fall asleep, when you wake up. Naps you usually go right into REM after you fall asleep, unless you wait a long time in the day before taking the nap.Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
Day 8 (for real this time)
NO LDs.
Remembered every dream I had through the night, but I need to get up for a second before I do my cycles, I am falling asleep halfway through. Not a good thing if I am only using this tech. I have noted problem though, and I will fix tonight! lucidity tonight! yay!
Day 7
No results, but my attempts weren't as good as I hoped, but I am getting better at finding a balance for how long to stay up beforehand. I also realized that all this time I haven't been making it to the long cycles which is evidently the most important part.
Nights attempted: 6; Lucid Dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2
If you run into the "falling asleep halfway" situation, you should definitely do RCs upon each awakening because FAs are very likely to occur.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
Day 4 and 5
I got lazy on Day 4 and just went straight back to sleep after WBTB. Didn't get enough sleep on Day 5.
Attempts: 1, Lucids: 1
Day 31
No time, no attempt, no result.
Attempts: 14, Lucids: 8, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2
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Day 32 - A
This one was odd. I still don't know exactly what happened. But it involved at least some lucid dreaming, (the part where I plugged my nose and could still breath and thus opened my eyes), so I'm going to count it as a lucid no matter what the rest was.
Has anyone else had this happen to them? (details below, but basically, seeming to see the real world while feeling a dream body)
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 36 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 15, Lucids: 9, OBE's: 1, FA's: 17, HI's: 2
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Day 32 - B
Another lucid and at least three more false awakenings. (I forgot most of the dream, due to dream layering and distractions on waking up)
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 37 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 16, Lucids: 10, OBE's: 1, FA's: 20, HI's: 2
Here is a post I published a while ago, which should give you some ideas on your first question: http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ind-ssild.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
The intermediary state mentioned in that post can produce very interesting result. The most significant one being that you can see both the real world AND your dream body at the same time! Also you can control both the physical and dream bodies at the same time. This is a very dramatic effect to say the least.
Very interesting...
I read it once before, but having experienced something similar makes me take the theory more seriously/appreciate its implications more. It seems that there is something special about this technique, producing results that are similar to WILDs, but without the direct entry, as well as some special results of its own.
Day 6
Naturally woke up, went to the bathroom and exposed myself to some light. As I was going back to bed, I thought "wait, I have barely been up for 3 minutes. And I can clearly feel that if I lay down now I will be sleeping before the second quick cycle is over" than I got up again, turned the lights on in my bedroom and came to Dreamviews. Here I saw Matt1 talking about doing the cycles in a chair to make sure they are done. I realized that yesterday, when I did all the cycles, ws the first time I had a False Awakening, so I decided to give his idea a shot.
So I did all the cycles sitting on a chair, and then went to my bed. However, once I got to my bed I became to lazy for doing the cycles. Even the quick cycles. I simply couldn't find the motivation for spending more time doing that. Besides, my thoughts were a little aggitated. Anyway, I forced myself to do couple more of cycles just to relax myself into sleep, and quickly became asleep.
Then I had a False Awakening. But I woke sitting on my chair, pretty tired. My hands were funny, like some fingers getting invisible every once in a while and having the sensation I could cross one hand through the other. I decided to do a nose-plug (something I have never done before) to see whether I was dreaming or just hallucinating out of tiredness. I did the RC, but paid no attention to the result and immediately close my eyes to get some sleep. The moment I closed my dream eyes, I opened my real ones and found myself laying on my bed. Too tired to do any other cycles, I just got back to sleep. Then I had one long, vivid dream. Funny thing, somewhen during the dream I was talking to my girlfriend and I told her about my false awakening.
So that's it. I think the chair idea may be good after all. I am also with the sensation there is still something lacking in my practice for me to attain lucidity. I am getting closer, evidently, but I still have not been capable of getting there. Maybe I need more time, or maybe I just need to find a missing piece. Who knows?
DILDs: 0, FAs: 2
You were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure.
Day 8
Lucid last night. Didn't last too long. I think it was the end or a REM cycle, no stabilizing worked and I wasn't "excited".
2nd set
lucids: 1
I feel like I am getting closer and closer. First, dream vividness and recall improved. Then I began talking about lucid dreams every now and then during my dreams. Now I have been having some more false awakenings and ultimately have even been considering the possibility of being on a dream while I am dreaming. Though lucidity has yet to be attained, I am pretty happy with SSILD.Quote:
You were close. To get within a dream and do a reality check, you were just one step away. Just resolve that whenever you do a reality check, (I suggest the nose-plug one), you will be sure to check the result. If you had done this ahead of time, that would have been a lucid dream almost for sure.
The only thing is that I keep constantly asking myself whether I have been getting closer to lucidity thanks to sheer practice, or maybe I have begun adding new things that are helping and I still am not aware pf them. Maybe there still is something lacking for me? Anyway, I will keep trying and eventually everything will fall right into place. Thanks for the support.:)
Attempt 2
Good news everyone! No matter how poorly your progress is coming, you're probably sill doing better than me. Last night, I woke up at 4am and did a few cycles before going back to sleep. I had almost no recall whatsoever, before or after. I don't know what's up. My recall is usually waaaay better than that.
Lucid: 0
False Awakening: 0
Addendum on Day 7:
I should add that on two awakenings I was able to do maybe 3 short cycles instead of just 1 as I usually did the last couple nights, and I think I had better logical thinking in the dream as a result. In 2 dreams I was reading about LDing, and in another the text on and in a book kept changing, and didn't make logical sense, and I noted this in the dream, but never became lucid. And another point where I was having trouble falling asleep, and my body felt weightier on one side than another, for some unknown reason. I remember thinking I read something like this can be used to induce "OBEs" (which I think are just a type of LD), but I still felt awake at that point and was too distracted by random thoughts to do the cycles, and didn't really remember what to do, so I did nothing.
Day 8
I did the cycles sitting somewhat in bed with my head against the headboard, and this seemed to help me finish them. Staying up about 5-10 minutes beforehand seemed to help too, the one time I did it, otherwise random thoughts were really distracting. However I still got no results, and had low dream awareness as the previous days. I am wondering if maybe I tried too hard - I had 6 awakenings and did the cycles on each one, plus when going to sleep, but I must admit I got sick of doing it after a few times and probably didn't do it very good later on. Tonight I will set my alarm for just twice, and stay up for 10 minutes before each time, any other awakenings that occur I will try a MILD mantra and get back to sleep quickly.
Attempts: 7; Lucid dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2
lucsande,
Good to hear the sitting in a chair idea worked. I wondered if it might cause FAs in the wrong location. You were really close to having a lucid dream! Just keep it up, you'll have one soon I'm sure.
6 awakenings? Be careful, that's a strong sign of them being the super-realistic FAs we have been talking about all along!Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1
I wish they were, but I have the DJ entries to prove each one. :( I get so many awakenings by setting alarms, but I usually wake up before them anyway, knowing it's coming. I used to experiment with EILD and I found that too many awakenings or for too long really hurts recall and dream awareness, and I think that's what happened last night. I've learned that sometimes less is more.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
BrandonBoss, how many cycles are you typically able to do before falling asleep?
Day 33
Another lucid and at least ten more false awakenings.
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 38 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 17, Lucids: 11, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2
Day 6
Wasn't planning on attempting this last night, but I woke up an hour before my alarm so why not. It was extremely difficult for me to stay focused on the cycles, but I managed an FA where I became lucid.
Attempts: 2, Lucids: 2
it seems to me one can become really good at LD if we get used to RC at each awakening..
Attempt 3
This is going nowhere. I woke up at 3am, got out of bed for a bit, came back and maybe did like two cycles before falling asleep. I remembered three or so dreams that night, but I noticed no difference in them. I need to extend my WBTB time a bit, I think.
Lucid: 0
False Awakening: 0
Only if you are using method that induces FAs.Quote:
Originally Posted by VagalTone
No lucid tonight. Almost though. I started realizing things were off right before I woke up and told the DCs that I had to get up and go to work, so I guess part of me knew I was sleeping. I am going to drink some water tonight to force me to get up. I keep falling asleep in the middle. :/
Try to get more sleep first. Extend it by one hour and see if there is any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder
Yeah, the last two days I also got very close at realizing I was dreaming, except for me during my regular sleep session.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
The first time, I actually plugged my nose. It was inconclusive, though, because I couldn't feel it enough either way. So I did it a second time, and then was standing there trying to figure out if it was a positive or negative result, when I woke up. So a few more seconds and I probably would have had it.
The second time, I think people were talking about lucid dreaming, or something else which could have triggered lucidity but didn't. So it's neat, because these are starting to happen automatically without techniques.
Day 9
No results, but a poor night to try. I woke up after only 4 hours to do it and had to get up less than two hours later. I didn't get to do as many cycles as I had hoped either. I also took a nap, no results, but it was a late afternoon nap. I did find though that having no fan for the nap helps keep me from falling asleep sooner than I like, I was pretty happy with that SSILD attempt for the nap, so I will have to turn the fan off tonight for the WBTBs. Maybe I will be able to finally do some attempts I am happy with.
Attempts: 8; Lucid dreams: 2; Non-lucid FAs: 2
Lately this happens to me like 1-2 times per night. Probably would make an excellent dream sign, but these same dreams are ones where awareness is really low (read: I am too dumb to notice). :P Not sure if SSILD is causing dreams to be on this subject, probably just coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
Day 34
Didn't try today.
Attempts: 17, Lucids: 11, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2
I have tried SSILD 2 times. i had a bunch of FAs ( in which i got lucid* ) and a DILD last night.
First time i couldnt get back to sleep, but after reading tutorial again i know i was putting much effort.
Thank you CosmicIron for your tutorials and dedication ! ;)
* @ BrandonBoss: it explains my last post :cheeky:
Day 10
Ah, never mind the turning the fan off thing. Every time I do this I don't sleep deep enough or something, and wake up soon after. And I still am needing to work a little on that balance of sleepy and wakefulness for doing the cycles.
BUT - I have results! 2 FAs. One tactile-only where I was plugging my nose and breathing, and one right after where I thought I woke up from trying to do something with the previous one. Wasn't fully lucid, but close.
Attempts: 9; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4
Don't worry about it. I leave my fan on *every time*, and it's been working just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1
Great! For me the false awakenings just kept multiplying... once you get used to catching them, you can get lucid a lot more often. (I'd say the majority of my lucids from this technique are now from FA's where I do reality checks)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1
Day 7 and 8
Didn't attempt.
Attempts: 2, Lucids: 2
Can someone tell me what SSILD is please
See main thread: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwenRutherford
Even while you do the cycles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1
I think the reason it isn't working for you is the same reason it wasn't doing me any good the last several days, which is: falling asleep too soon. You could try:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frobthebuilder
-Make sure you wake up and move around enough so you don't fall asleep too fast.
-Make sure you get a decent number of cycles in and that they are long enough.
-I think too that if random thoughts from drowsiness interrupt too much during the cycles, the cycles don't have much effect.
-And you don't have to fall asleep while doing the cycles, you can do like 6 or 7 (of decent length) and fall asleep afterward thinking about something else.
-You can also do the cycles laying in a position you don't typically sleep in, so you don't fall asleep too fast: i.e. on your back if you typically sleep on the side or on your stomach. Then you can turn over and go to sleep after the cycles.
Just thought I'd share this comment from the dream journal about how I do SSILD. Hope it's helpful.
It's basically the way CosmicIron suggests in his most recent SSILD guide: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD) Official Tutorial
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I start out doing them for about 5 seconds each, and then each time I extend it by about 33%. So by the end of 7 cycles, it's something like:
Cycle 1: 5, 5, 5
Cycle 2: 7, 7, 7
Cycle 3: 9, 9, 9
Cycle 4: 12, 12, 12
Cycle 5: 16, 16, 16
Cycle 6: 21, 21, 21
Cycle 7: 28, 28, 28
Of course, this is just a rough estimation, even my multiplication above wasn't accurate. In reality, I do it differently each time, depending on how much feedback I'm getting, how tired I am, etc.
But I usually end up doing it for around 3 to 5 minutes. And no, I don't fall asleep while doing the cycles. I used to do that, but then I found out it actually works better if I just do it correctly for a short period of time, and then get into a comfortable position, relax, and just fall asleep thinking about whatever I feel like. This is nice, because I really enjoy thinking about stuff while in bed. (I like to analyze events and ideas, and in bed there are no distractions)
In retrospect, it takes only a few minutes for me to fall asleep, and I either find myself in a false awakening, find myself in a dream and become lucid, or just have a vivid non-lucid dream, (although these are becoming less common now).
EDIT: The hardest part for me with this technique at the start, is that I had trouble letting go and falling asleep without continuing to do any cycles. It made me feel like I was wasting time and not using it to improve my chances. (in fact, I kind of cheated and kept doing them anyway) But the cool thing about this technique is that I've learned it works just as well without continuing all those cycles, and you can fall asleep way faster if you don't do them. Although, I don't think it really hurts to, so if you feel like doing extra cycles, feel free to do so but you'll probably be staying awake longer. I guess that would fine, actually, since that way you can test it for yourself and find what works for you, i.e. the optimal number of cycles to do, by cutting it down gradually.
Day 35
No attempt.
Attempts: 17, Lucids: 11, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2
This is an excellent instruction. Can I use it and add it to the Q&A section of the tutorial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
Sure. Feel free to cut parts out to make it more compact.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Deffinatly will be trying. I will post my results tommorow hopefully.
3 LDs.
Ummm... I dont know what just happened. I had about 10 hours of dreams/FAs/lucid dreams. I figured at the end that I would wake up and it would be morning. It has been less than 3 hours. This gives me supposedly less than 15 minutes of REM.
I am gonna write down all of it real fast so I don't forget (it was a crazy dream).
Spoiler for dreams :
Going back to sleep now. Talk to you in the morning. :P hopefully more LDs.
Awesome. I wish I could have longer lucid dreams. The longest I've had is around 30 minutes, and even that I don't remember 90% of it, but know on awakening by feeling, though it's hard to describe. Like having a sense of time without specific memories.
I just asked my one other friend who's had a lucid dream how long his first and so far only lucid dream lasted, and he said it "felt like 6 hours, but was actually an hour and a half". I'm guessing it was actually less than that, but either way that's way longer than any of my lucid dreams! Now I'm a little jealous...
I'm curious if maybe my dreams are short in part because I expect them to be short? I asked him, and he said he never heard that lucid dreams are 'supposed to be' short, (although now he knows), so maybe this does have an effect on things.
EDIT: Oh, by the way, what technique did you use for that? SSILD is my favorite now for WBTB's, but I want to find a second technique that will help me make use of the mid-night dreams, i.e. a technique that I can use before bed each night.
I read in Stephen LaBerge's book that MILD can work quite reliably... do you think I should try that?
Longest LD was 30 minutes. Longest dream seemed about 2 weeksish. :/
I think expectation helps a lot with this as well. You should change your expectation. The best way for this is sivasons yoga class. Meditation helps with a lot of things.
I have been using MILD even though I said I was only gonna use SSILD. :P just using a mantra and intent. I started DDA yesterday as well, since I got bored. I needed LDs :)
last week, i used the mantra « i will have long vivid and lucid dreams» and i had a nonlucid that somehow lasted from september to may in another country. of course i cant remember all days but i remember missing my family. :cheeky: and really worrying about them
Day 11
No results or effects, but I did the WBTB at a little over 4 hours after bed and had a natural awakening 1 hour later, and had to get up only a half hour after that, so not the most opportune attempt. I did the cycles basically the way Venryx does and that is probably how I will do them from now on. When I did the cycles, towards the end random thoughts did jump in a little but I was still able to get back on track and concentrate enough to finish easily, so I assume I did enough cycles.
Attempts: 10; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4
If you're good at SSILD, I'd like your opinion: When I wake up naturally (prior to getting up for the day) after my WBTB and SSILD, should I:
A. Do another WBTB so I can do all the cycles again
B. Do a few cycles as I fall back asleep
C. Fall back asleep ASAP
And does it vary based on how long it has been since my last awakening or cycles?
Day 36
Another lucid. (no false awakenings, because my awareness faded as the dream continued, and I got swept into the dream plot)
This dream was about things that were kind of silly/embarrassing, so I'm not going to write it down, although it involved being on a cruise ship as part of a group.
Attempts: 18, Lucids: 12, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2
Day 1 : AMAZIING! Awsome expierience will be using this.
So I went to bed fell asleep round 11:15. Woke up 2:20am. Got up went piss and drank a sip of water (only reason I did this is because I keep reading that people do this when they wake up.) So I tried the SSILD Went through 1 cycle then my baby brother started crying. Then I tried to ignore but my cat jumped on me. I waited til brother stopped. Then I attemp again. Did 2 cycles and my mind wondered and I caught myself and continued. Then I tried to fall asleep on my back, I usuallu sleep on my side, and layed there for 15 mins. Finally decided I wanna sleep so I turned over and did 2 more cycles. Suddly out of nowhere (and for some reason I dont remember well.) I started vibrating, and some noises started to happen. I remember one thing though, that I reminded myself to calm down. Next thing I know im in a dream. I know im dreaming instantly. I tried to walk around a bit as I qas facinated, but after 20 seconds it was over. I woke up and the time was 3:30am. So I must have slept for almost exactly 45 mins. I am so excited , I think its my excitement to try this method that made it happen last night. The vibrations were so awsome too! Felt neat. Anyways, thats my expierience. :3
Just came back to lucid dreaming after a very long break, I'll definitely be trying this test to get back into it. I have a week off from school so I think this is the perfect moment to figure out whether this is the right technique for me or not.
First attempt will be tonight!
Day 13
Had 2 LDs last night. Nothing notable. :/
2nd set
6 LDs so far in 6 days.
Day 12 and Day 13
Nothing again. :/ I have however looked over my dream journal and discovered two things:
1. SSILD only worked for me after a couple of natural awakenings, each time being awake enough (because I already had a lot of sleep) to do several cycles on each one. Most of these last 13 days, I simply didn't do enough cycles on each awakening. Even when I did 7 cycles after WBTB on the recent days, on the natural awakenings after that I fell asleep too soon I think. So when it says in the tutorial to "perform a few extra medium-paced SSILD cycles" upon a real awakening, that really should be done.
2. The last few days I did do a decent number of cycles once, I had an unusually aware dream about 1 hour 20 minutes after that, despite having a natural awakening in between the cycles awakening and the awakening from the dream. If I had been able to sleep more these nights and did a decent number of cycles on any awakening(s), I bet I would be likely to become lucid.
So I still consider myself to be making progress through perfecting the technique for myself.
Attempts: 12; Lucids: 2; FAs: 4
Days 7-10
I attempted it once during a nap, but I only recalled a non-lucid FA. I'm going to really try and place more focus and time into this.
Attempts: 3, Lucids: 2, FAs: 3
Days 1-2
Nothing notable. Got too distracted by my boyfriends heavy breathing on Day 1 (even woke him up to ask if he was having a nightmare), and I got kind of scared of the dark afterwards. Set the alarm to a later time on Day 2, but I seem to have fallen asleep before I could even get up for the WBTB.
I do seem to have recovered my dream recall quite well!
Attempts: 2
Lucids: 0
FA's: 0
Day 37, 38
No attempt.
Attempts: 18, Lucids: 12, OBE's: 1, FA's: 30, HI's: 2
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Day 39
Another lucid and two more false awakenings. (and I missed the second one!)
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 41 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 19, Lucids: 13, OBE's: 1, FA's: 32, HI's: 2
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EDIT: This brings my success rate with this technique to just over 66%!!!
Day 14
Yes! Lucid again. Probably my personal best lucid yet. The bad news though is that like my previous SSILD lucids, I was only able to do this by sleeping way in, which I can't do much, and would prefer to not have to do at all. I still need to work on being mentally, and not just bodily, awake enough to concentrate enough during the cycles each time I wake up, hopefully I can make it work for me earlier in the night. And also maybe keep myself from waking up too often.
Anyway, some highlights. Once again lucidity was basically spontaneous. It started with a dream which I forgot but which I wanted to leave so I blinked rapidly while repeatedly shouting, "Wake up!" This led to a FA in my dark bedroom (actually my head was under the blanket - in reality the bedroom was pretty bright by this time). I plug my nose and breathe, bringing on full lucidity. I'm pretty sure this FA ends for some reason, leading to another FA that goes the same way again. I get up and feel the wall to the light switch, which is already up, and switching it does nothing. The rest of the dream takes place in my house, but I can tell a lot is different, and I realize after waking up some parts actually are from my last house. A combination of the same houses happened in my 1st LD too. It also changes from night to day outside somewhere along the way.
Towards the end I decide to drive my car and explore and I see the loop the keys are on hanging on a door handle, but the keys look like fake keys. I figure it'll work anyway so I try to take them, but the handle is attached to the door on both ends, so it is impossible to get the keys off (at least without enough skill at dream control to perform the physically impossible anyway). I go get my other keys but I wake up before I get them! In LDs this is 2 for 2 where my subconscious found ways to keep me from driving the dream roads away from home.
One time I looked at my hand to show a DC and it actually looked normal. (Another point in this dream when I was by myself it had extra fingers.) I plugged my nose and breathed deep in front of a DC and asked them how I did that since its physically impossible. Their response was like this: "It just sounds like you did that."
Attempts: 10*; Lucids: 3; FAs: 6
*I decided to eliminate 3 more of the attempts as these were not really attempts, unless you count struggling to concentrate to do one or two cycles at best and falling back asleep over and over as an attempt, which I won't since it's nowhere near what the instructions say to do and isn't fair to the technique.
Day 14
Forgot to SSILD. I am still counting it as a day, but when looking at it and reviewing I will definitely note that I didn't SSILD last night. No LDs, just a bunch of vivid dreams. It is a very good encouragement to have lots of dreams. Recall helps with awareness and with attitude about lucid dreaming. :)
Screw it, doing it tonight, don't care how tired or unmotivated I am, no exceptions, doing it. Expect results posted within the next 24 hours.
I tried to do it this morning, but when I heard the alarm and turned it off,... for some reason it didn't even cross my mind why I'd turned it on. In fact, for the first few seconds I was so non-awake that I thought the beeping was just me imagining the alarm going off.
Day 15
Not that great of an attempt, no results.
Day 16
Success! Another lucid, and this one came before 6 hours of sleep elapsed. I do know now that it can cause lucidity in less than 80 minutes, as I wrongly theorized previously. I think it is important that one not have awakenings too often while trying to use the technique.
The lucid dream was low awareness and short but that has nothing to do with the cycles. I got lucid riding in a car at night, and I could sense the instability of the dream. It slowly faded to blackness and I did the spinning technique which brought back the same scene but then the car came out of a tunnel and disappeared which left me with just a visual sense of flying over a sandstone canyon with water in the bottom. This faded and I felt myself lying in bed this time.
Attempts: 12; Lucids: 4; FAs: 6
Pff did I forget about this thread? I'll do an attempt tonight.
Last 2 days, nothing. I did a bunch of awareness today though and plan on SSILDing tonight, but I can't stand not having lucids. I will continue using SSILD, but not alone. It doesn't work well for me.
Day 40
Interrupted attempt. (I'm including these now to be comprehensive--I think this was my third so far)
Day 41
No attempt.
Day 42
Another lucid and two more false awakenings.
Here's the account: Lucid Dream 43 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Attempts: 20(+3 interrupted), Lucids: 14, OBE's: 1, FA's: 34, HI's: 2
Attempt 4
So last night as I was laying in bed to go to sleep, I decided to do a few cycles because hey what the hell. So I do that, but then I find I'm having trouble sleeping. So I start following my breath, a good way to fall asleep. After like fifteen minutes, I totally just fall right into sleep paralysis, body shaking like mad. This has never happened at bedtime. Anyway, I thought to myself "This is scary and most likely will lead nowhere, because I'm going into NREM." So I tried to move really hard to break out of it. Succeeding at that, I closed my eyes again and the exact same thing happened a second time. I woke up in the middle of the night for another attempt, but as always, I fell asleep after about one cycle. I need to stay up for WBTB longer but I'm just soooo tiiiiiiiired!
Yeah, that's definitely something I don't see every day. I think this technique probably has something to it.
Strange Occurrences: 1 (changing FA category to this, much more broad.)
Lucids: 0
Where can I find information on this technique? I want to attempt this for the next thirty days as well.
Day 17
No results. But not much sleep left to attempt it in after my WBTB.
Attempts: 13; Lucids: 4; FAs: 6 (Venryx: Good idea on splitting off the partial attempts. I'll probably do that when I get the chance.)
The most up-to-date tutorial is here: SSILD Official TutorialQuote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
4 lds 2 from SSILD. I was sick of not getting lucid so I wilded upon initial sleep and got a lucid out of that. And the dream went on with FA after FA, and I just kept trying to WILD. :/ I then RCed and I had finally woken up. :( I think my WILD is more powerful because of that dream though. The other three LDs last night were WILD as well.
I wrote in my DJ at like 4ish and used SSILD with the WBTB. Can't say for sure if it helped, but I remembered my goals and to stabilize after SSILD, so it might have made me more aware in the dream.
You mean you wilded without a WBTB?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
How did you do that? I thought you needed to wait at least 90 minutes for your first REM cycle.
I definitely want to experiment with all the techniques, though. I want to master one, and get good at at least three. (so I can shift them around if my brain gets immune for a while to one of them, i.e. a dry spell)
Well. A lot of people have told me not to do it, but I had to try it. I have gotten it twice. When you go to bed you have to wait about an hour and a half or two hours. You have to really just act like you are normally WILDing. You can move or scratch or anything. You just have to not think about it too much. I use visualization the whole time to keep my mind occupied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
This method can lead to insomnia since it is hard to figure out how long it has been. So if you have never waited an hour and a half for anything, with nothing but your mind t occupy you, then this may last forever. :P.
I had heard that most people can't do this, but then I looked and saw that most people have done it if they do WILD. Some saw it is "too hard" but the others record a 99% success rate after they know how. That is what attracted me to it.
Nothing last night. A little less sleep than normal. ;)
Last night I tried the SSILD technique for the first time, and had a False Awakening, as soon as I woke up I saw something strange to the end of my bed and confirmed I was indeed dreaming with a reality check, I proceeded to rub my hand, and went outside, it was daytime. I successfully flew and some DC were shouting to me, "WOW YOU GOT SUPER POWER", and lost lucidity, I had for about 3 minutes of lucidity, and I only had like 15 second of lucity maximum before !
Great technique !
How to WILD without WBTB:
Take a 1.5 hour nap of deep dreamless delta sleep, 2-3 hours before going to sleep. Then just WILD at your normal sleep time ;)
You're going directly to REM, thanks to our awesome biological clock.
Have you had success in performing WILD that way?
Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoDK
I suck at WILD really bad, so I wasn't even trying. But it definitely works.
Day 18, 19, 20
No lucids but 4 more FAs, 2 on each of 2 nights, none of which I was lucid in.
Attempts: 16 (or so, still need to split them up by quality); Lucids: 4; FAs: 10
I think my success rate would be higher had I been doing everything correctly from the beginning. Plus right now I still am waking up every 20-80 minutes after every attempt. I think this problem is more or less unique to me. Not sure what is causing this, and the times I became lucid I did so in spite of this, but I think I could more often if the sleep cycle was not interrupted so much. Maybe my awareness is being increased too much causing sleep to end, I don't know.
Anyway, I was thinking of setting an alarm every 90 minutes after WBTB, and any awakenings before the end of 90 minutes I would try to make the most of it so I would hold still and try to DEILD or WILD, since these awakenings I get I often know I am awake before I open my eyes or move. The alarm would be to retrain my mind to stay asleep longer since only then would I move around purposefully to turn off the alarm, notate dreams, and get myself awake enough to finish the cycles.
Any thoughts?
I GOT LUCID!!! I went to bed at my usual time, and I was barely even trying with the ssild technique. I just let my mind drift away, but pulled it back before it went too far. I had a really weird sensation, like I was being pulled into some sort of dark limbo, and I was hearing voices, but I wasn't panicked or anything. I was definitely conscious, cause I noticed when the scene changed to my kitchen. My mom was doing her agenda, as usual, and my sister was sitting on the stairs, complaining. I did a reality check (put my fingers through my palm). At first, they didn't go through, so I thought to myself, "Aw, come on! This is supposed to work." Then I tried again, and they went through!
There was a cracked egg on the counter, and I picked it up to test its weight. It felt real to me. I got excited and told my sister and my mom that they were part of a dream. My mom was all like, "ok", but my sister just glared at me and said, "you're not trying to lucid dream again are you?" I was like, "Hey I wanna show you guys something", and the scenery changed to an open field. I showed them my pet tiger, and my sister started flying. Unfortunately, my subconscious took over and put me in a magic show with my best friend. He said that Sean Bean was putting on a performance. And then things just got weird after that.
Day 21, 22
Nothing.
Day 23
I thought to myself, This is like something that would be in a dream. Later, I woke up. So close!
Day 24
2 lucid dreams in one night! Both very short, but that is a separate issue. Each one came with a FA also, which I was lucid for one. I also think I got some auditory HI during one of the cycles - faint but definitely there. I got too excited and it went away.
Good attempts: 16 (8 more partial); Lucids: 6; FAs: 12; HIs: 1
The last couple of days I have been having less awakenings, so that helps. Plus after the cycles I have been falling asleep to a mantra of 1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming, 3, etc. I think this is good because then with the increased awareness from the cycles, I reach the right conclusion.
I will be staying with this for 30 good attempts by the way. Hopefully this thread does not die from being transferred to "Research."
That's excellent Matt! I too hope this transfer does not ruin this thread. :( It took me a while to figure out what happened to the thread and finding it wasn't exactly easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt1
I hope it doesn't die either. I haven't been posting lately because I've been busy on a programming project.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Also, CosmicIron, I have a question. I've been noticing the last few days that the subjective noise in my ears, (tinnitus), when things are quiet, I can notice a lot more now than I used to be able to. At first, I was actually trying to enhance this, as a kind of anchor or tool for lucid dreaming. But the last few days it's begun to concern me that maybe it will lead to long-term problems, where I can't get rid of the sound even if I want to. Has this happened to you, and if so, how do you deal with it?
Do not worry about it. It's just a sign that you have become much more sensitive through the training, and you are much more relaxed so you are better at shifting your "focus point". SSILD is especially good at helping us improve this ability. Once you fully master it you may be able to shift into dream world from complete wakefulness within seconds! I have been doing this for more than 20 years and have had tens of thousands of LDs/OBEs, and I'm perfectly healthy... much healthier than most people in my age! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Venryx
And most of them are SSILDs?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Of course not. SSILD is a very young technique which I developed only two years ago in order to teach a few people to better induce LDs. It is however based on a customized WILD routine of my own, and heavily influenced by the "focus point" model which i discovered many years ago. Nowadays though I almost use SSILD exclusively myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF
Day 25
Another lucid, fairly decent, and three more FAs!
I'll be starting a DJ on this site of my LDs soon, so I'll describe this lucid dream then.
EDIT: And here it is: 10th Lucid Dream
Nights of good attempts: 17 (8 more partial); Lucids: 7; FAs: 15; HIs: 1
Day 26
And another lucid. Account: 11th Lucid Dream
Day 27
No lucids, but I won't say no results. TWO separate dreams I thought to myself 'this might be a dream' or 'this is like a dream,' but I never reality checked. So, so close! In fact one of these was before WBTB in less than 3.5 hours of sleep.
Nights of good attempts: 19 (8 more partial); Lucids: 8; FAs: 15; HIs: 1
Attempt 5
So I did the stuff, right, and I actually did get lucid. It was one of those odd lucid dreams though, where the place that I think I'm sleeping is actually just another part of the dream. It was fun though, I did some meditating n stuff. It was actually a bit easier than in waking life.
Lucid: 1
Strange Occurrence: 1
Day 28, 29
I did get one case of HI, music that faded out when I focused on it. Otherwise, no lucids. My sleep schedule was way off in different ways these two days, though, and I often was too sleepy to concentrate on the cycles well and I was out before I did the mantra after. Therefore I am counting one as a partial attempt only. Gotta wake myself up enough next time.
I did have one nap dream where I used the technique. In it, I saw the details in some wood paneling and wondered if it would be as detailed in a dream. I think we know the answer to that one. So I was pretty close again.
Nights of good attempts: 20 (9 more partial); Lucids: 8; FAs: 15; HIs: 2
A LOT of crazy, vivid dreams last night. One of them was lucid... sort of.
I was in some random person's house trying to fight off these scary lizard monsters that had invaded their basement. We were trying to think of different plans we could use to scare them off, but we almost got killed. So I told myself it was a dream and tried to jump off a bed to see if I could teleport somewhere else. Unfortunately, my subconscious wouldn't allow that, and i just landed on the floor. In the end I managed to get into another dream (not lucid).
Ugh! How do I restrain my subconscious???
Use reality checks that are unlikely to act realistically in a dream. Trying to teleport may work in a dream, and cause lucidity, but it may not. I suggest holding your nose closed and trying to breathe in. I can always inhale in a dream, but make sure you pay attention to the result, because if you don't you may not notice what you did and continue on non-lucid. Make a habit of it in waking life.Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
I've been looking for a technique I could use that would be fairly simple since my main goal right now is to improve my Dream Recall primarily. It seems as if a lot of people have had success with this technique so I figure I would give it a try and record my results as well.
A little background- I've been researching LDing for about 3 weeks now, trying to induce them for 1.5 weeks. I've had 2 DILDs since then, 1 of them while trying to induce. Both were very short and one I could only remember the last half of with mediocre awareness/control. I managed to accidently WILD(or DEILD, not sure) which resulted in a FA that ended when I RCd and realized I was dreaming.
Attempts: 0, FA: 0, LD: 0
Attempts: 1, FA: 1, LD: 0
Hmm, only the second FA i can ever remember having. Interesting.
Day 30, 31, 32
Bunch of bad partial attempts since I kept falling back asleep too quickly.
Day 33
This time I was more caught up on sleep and I got out of bed and did the cycles and mantra in a comfy chair, then went straight back to bed. This seems to have worked, as I had a fairly vivid dream which got a little creepy and as a result I tried staring at one spot and then holding my breath in order to wake up. So there was a spontaneous semi-lucidity.
Nights of good attempts: 21 (12 more partial); Lucids: 8; FAs: 15; HIs: 1
Day 14
LD: 0
FA: 1
In a false awakening, should I still try to do a reality check? Also, I attempted DEILD this morning, and I got into another dream, but it wasn't lucid :I
Just attempted SSILD while napping. But it turned into a WILD (I think). I was hearing voices, sounds, seeing flashing lights, and watching dream scenes. But once I realized I was being pulled into one, my mind would withdraw. This has never happened to me before. I can't even count how many dreamscapes I saw! The only problem was, I was afraid that if I let myself get involved, I wouldn't be lucid, so I kept my mind back. I pictured a meadow scene and tried to turn it into a dreamscape. Didn't work :( And it was a very simple place too
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
Good job. SSILD has a chance for a WILD side effect, so that is probably what happened. Progress.
When this happens to me I imagine my hands moving in front of me. This will give you a body in the dreamscape. Rub your hands together with your mind and you should start feeling it and be pulled 100% into it.
14 days and no lucids? You must be doing it wrong.
Day 34
Bad partial attempt.
Day 35
Not really any results. I did have one dream though where I was falling asleep and thought to try to WILD while doing so. I wonder what would have happened had I not woken up before I fell asleep in the dream. I think it was the next WBTB alarm that woke me too.
Day 36
Alright, lucid again. Low lucidity, forgot all of my goals, but it feels good for the dry spell to be over. Account: 12th Lucid Dream
Nights of good attempts: 23 (13 more partial); Lucids: 9; FAs: 15; HIs: 2
I have noticed that this technique seems to work better (at least for me) when I am not behind on sleep from previous nights. Being more sleepy makes me (1) sleepier during the cycles and barely able to do them without constant distraction, and (2) dream awareness is lowered, making it an uphill battle to get lucid.
My Bio gives background on LDs previous to Feb 2013 and an SP episode.
I don't have great records but I have had 2 LD's that I attribute to SSILD out of probably 7 or so attempts.
SSILD sub types: 1 - DILD (via dream sign), 1 - WILD (huge vibrations and jumped into a dream with flying and fire throwing!)
Not the method, but the success and anticipation is affecting my being able to go back to sleep (I normally have no trouble. I wake up once nightly on average to go to the bathroom). At first I thought it was the SSILD method but found same trouble without doing the cycles/method if I am thinking much about LDs when trying to go back to sleep. In case it helps anyone with the same issue or also if anyone has suggestions for WBTB insomnia which must be a form of "middle of the night insomnia", "maintenance insomnia" among other names I will list what I am trying to get around this issue.
-Avoid thoughts of LD including using methods during nights before work days or needing to get up early with energy.
-If I cheat and do it during work week, don't do it 2 nights in a row (2nd night of insomnia=great exhaustion, 1 night of 45-90minutes of insomnia = not bad exhaustion next day)
-avoid night light when I get up to go to bathroom, and I stay up very little (no trouble staying alert to do cycles, though some drifting)
-close the drapes to keep the early morning light from creeping in eventually
-put in ear plugs after waking to reduce various real life noises - though I may need better ear plugs
-tried adding thinking about area 2 inches above roof of mouth to induce sleepiness -read somewhere..not sure if it or a combination of methods may have helped reduce the insomnia time to 45minutes last night and brought on SP and vibrations..didn't transition to LD this time but fell asleep shortly after.
No, I meant for that night ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF
Day 15
FA: 0
LD: 1
I can't control my stupid subconscious self from taking over once I'm lucid! D:
Well, you should have a summed up ld/fa counter, like everyone has.Quote:
Originally Posted by aquafox12
Day 37, 38, 39
One good attempt and 2 partial attempts, no results.
Day 40
Another lucid dream and a false awakening. I did pretty bad, didn't stabilize at all, but that's my bad. Account: 13th Lucid Dream
Nights of good attempts: 25 (15 more partial); Lucids: 10; FAs: 16; HIs: 2
Day 41
Two more lucid dreams and one more false awakening. Account: 14th Lucid Dream and 15th Lucid Dream
Nights of good attempts: 26 (15 more partial); Lucids: 12; FAs: 17; HIs: 2
I figured i should add my two cents. the SSILD has worked for me; i only used it once though. but my God did it work amazingly. the SSILD is actually how i had my first AP. every since that first time i did it i would AP naturally (it is kinda scary sometime to wake up and feel vibs outta the blue). one thing though about the way people seem to be using it: it seems like people are just throwing the SSILD into there WBTB technique. from what i read, you do the SSILD before bed and when you wake up after your normal dream cycle you will be in the phase state without doing anything. it's a self hypnosis method that continues after you fall asleep. so you really should be waking up into a strong SP state. I hope that helps. again, i found great results by just doing the simple hypnosis and nothing more. dont expect it to be harder than it is--mantras seem to help too:P STAY LUCID!!!
Day 42-49
I have not forgotten about this thread. I had some partial attempts, some days I was just attempting DEILD, and then I get the flu, which puts my efforts at LDs on hold so I can just sleep.
I think the last 4 good attempts I will try using the cycles as an anchor for DEILD.
Nights of good attempts: 26 (17 more partial); Lucids: 12; FAs: 17; HIs: 2
This seems interesting though I am late to the party :P
Could someone explain(or provide a link to an explanation/tutorial):
-SSILD summary
-What "FAs" are(just what it stands for would be sufficient.
EDIT:Nevermind I found it. I did a DV search and got nothing but google brought up a DV thread on the subject. :P
Still getting better and trying to get back the holding-still awakenings I need for DEILD. Man, I used to get those so easily and I didn't use most of them! But I did get lucid again and a couple more FAs too since I last posted here.
I'm starting this tonight, I haven't been able to recall greatly but I'm not giving up LD.
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I didn't have a lucid dream nor a FA, less this entire morning has been one. I did the WBTB at around 1 am and I couldn't get my money to sleep. I felt my body spinning but anytime I got close to what I thought was a dream, I just awoke more.
Any tips on keeping my mind calm while I let the the dream take me away?
I started this a few weeks ago, but decided to wait for April when I changed my tech. Tonight will be Night 1.
Day 1: Nothing
Day 2: 2 Lucids. (broke 3 week dry spell, PB for most lucids in one night)
Score: 2 Nights, 1 Successful. (2 Lucid, 0 FA)
Day 3: 1 Lucid
Score: 3 Nights, 2 Successful (2 Lucid, 0 FA)
Pretty awesome, Lucid twice in 2 days. Before this my best was about a week or two in between.
Day 4 and 5 No result
Score: 5 Nights, 2 Successful (2 Lucid, 0 FA)
Day 6: 1 Lucid after Wbtb + SSILD
Score: 6 Nights, 3 Successful, (3 Lucids, 0 FA)
Good job penny. This looks like the right method for you! If you have any questions just ask. What all are you doing besides SSILD?
Being very meticulous about reminding myself of my goals nightly before bed in my dream journal. Remind myself of my goals through mantra for 10-15minutes or until I fall asleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
I'll do a WBTB after a natural awakening usually 4-6 hours after falling asleep and I stay up for 5-15 minutes depending how on how awake I start to feel. If I have the day off I'll get up make breakfast, maybe go run an errand or two come back and try to WILD which so far has always ended up with me falling asleep but I feel like I'm coming closer to a good transition.
Agh, I got behind in updating.
Day 7, 8, 9, and 11 - No result
Day 10: 1 LD
Score: 11 Nights, 4 Successful (6 Lucids, 0 FA)
PennyRoyale, this is a bit much to ask, but can you detail how you are doing the SSILD method. I want to see your take on it since you are getting very good results right out the gate.
It's no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiresias
I don't use SSILD when I go to bed at night. I'll remind myself of my goals in my Dreamjournal and think about them when I go to sleep. I tend to wake up naturally around 2am, which for me is about 4 hours of sleep.
When i get my natural awakening I use the bathroom if I need to, drink some water, etc.. No more than usually 5-10 minutes. When I try to do cycles without getting up I fall asleep before I can even finish the first one sometimes. I'll do 2-3 quick cycles, then 3 or 4 regular ones.
When I'm done - sometimes I'll roll over and go to sleep, or I try to do all three parts of the cycle simultaneously until I fall asleep just because I find it makes me fall asleep pretty fast.
I often get multiple natural awakenings during the night. I try to do this every time one of those occurs - but at least once a night.
Really good job penny. Glad to see you sticking with this thread. I still SSILD, but only when I "feel" it. Very good technique.
PennyRoyal, may I ask if you were having trouble falling back to sleep and started doing all three simultaneously to help that? That is my one challenge with the method it seems to wake me up a lot but I did have success with it last night and had my first two false awakenings which were completely lucid instantly due to feeling a floating sensation and had a wonderful lucid dream! I did also tweak it a little bit after 6 short cycles(must have been super tired) I was already starting to get the mini dreams and started playing with those images and next thing I remember I had the false awakenings.Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
Those 6 lucids are from SSILD? :-) How effective do you consider SSILD compared to any other methods you like?Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
The first week I had trouble falling asleep, although now I have trouble completing a full cycle because I'm falling asleep pretty fast. Yes, I came up with 3 parts simultaneously to help me fall asleep. It seems to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by fogelbise
Yea from SSILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetoDK
Last month I used MILD and had 5 total I think? I had those 6 the first week of april using SSILD. I'd say it's been effective for me
Thanks for the reply PennyRoyal :)
I had some company this past weekend and didn't attempt SSILD, im not going to count those days.
Day 12 and 13 - 1 very short lucid both nights
13 Nights, 6 successful (8 Lucids, 0 FA)
Still havn't noticed any of those infamous False awakenings.
Day 14: 1 Lucid, 1 FA
Day 15: No success
Score: 15 Nights, 7 Successful (9 Lucid, 1 FA)
You have a success rate of 46% ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
Keep it up!
Days 16, 17, 18 no success.
18 Nights, 7 Successful (9 Lucid, 1 FA)
I am glad that you are so diligent in your 30 day test and to see the success you have had! I have had some success with it but now only try it when I am off or on weekends but initially jumped straight into it almost immediately upon my return to lucid dreaming(but had trouble getting back to sleep). I have recently decided to go back to "the basics" of awareness(not so basic or easy) and recall and only try SSILD when I can. It obviously works well for all skill levels and it does seem like a great method to quickly get many beginners to their first LD as well but I imagine it takes additional effort to sustain continual LDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
Edit: Was your false awakening lucid? It is interesting that you had your first FA with this method right after noticing that you were not noticing FAs in the post just before that. I wonder if that is what happened with my FA, perhaps being more aware of that possibility and then recognizing it.
Day 19 - Nada
19 Nights, 7 Successful (9 Lucid, 1 FA)
Thanks, browsing through this thread there aren't a ton of people who stuck to it for the entire 30 days so I wanted to leave a good testimonial so to speak. Nothing wrong with returning to basics, I actually chose SSILD this month because it seemed really.. well.. basic lol. I do the cycles during awakenings I have in the night, I wouldnt say I'm up longer than 10-15 minutes. If you're worried about losing sleep maybe go to bed a little early to make up for it. I had some trouble falling asleep the first week, I think it was just from the excitement of something new. I have to stay up longer now because I fall asleep in the middle of the first cycle sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fogelbise
Hmm, I checked my DJ and it doesn't seem like I wrote about it.. For the life of me I can't remember it right now either. I didn't catch that I was in an FA though, I remember being disappointed that I didn't catch it to get lucid.
Haha. Yeah, i stopped at like day 12 or something. :P I still use it on occasion. It seems to be working well for you. Keep up the good work.
I had success with SSILD over the weekend again. I did the 6 short cycles normally and then did all 3 parts of the cycles at the same time as PennyRoyal mentioned and that seems to help me. Waited out vibrations and next thing I knew I was lucid in a dream with flying. I took off flying before stabilizing so I landed and stabilized somewhat, saw a deceased loved one pass by but couldn't find them again, then took off flying again. Trying to take off right away seemed to create a weird dream and may have shortened it but it was still a nice length.
Edit: I read it suggested all the time, I got to try to get to sleep earlier but life currently won't let me. (Some) weekends are my sanctuary for now.
Havn't been able to use the last few days. Havn't forgot about updating. Will continue tonight.
No worries. Your progress updates are much appreciated!
Day 20 - False Awakening that turned into a very brief lucid
20 Nights, 8 Successful (10 Lucid, 2 FA)
Day 21 - Brief Lucid,
21 Nights, 9 Successful, (11 Lucid, 2 FA)
Sorry about the gap in updates, been out of town. Back in business.
Good to see you back!! I had no luck this weekend. I had a lucid 1 week ago. Not sure if it was my half-hearted SSILD cycles (too tired; I usually only try on the weekends) or setting my intentions before bed..either way, it was nice.
Hi everyone, this will be my first ever post on DreamViews! I've been visiting these forums for years but have only recently started to get serious about lucid dreaming again. The reason for this is that I've just started a PhD on lucid dreaming techniques!
This SSILD technique has got me quite excited since many people seem to be having great success with it. I've decided to join in on the fun and try it myself as well. I probably won't make it to 30 attempts any time soon (because I'm experimenting with a range of techniques), but I plan to give it at least 10 attempts within a month or two. I've already tried it twice and I'll continue to post my results here.
2 Nights, 0 Successful, (0 Lucid, 0 FA)
I'd be very curious to hear what people think about SSILD in comparison to other well-known techniques (especially MILD). More effective? Less so?
Day 22 - No results
22 Nights, 9 Successful (11 Lucids, 2 FA) (~41%)
Welcome to DV Denholm. :cloud:Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
What kind of results are you looking for that you are using a bunch of different techniques? How are you supposed to tell which ones are more effective if you keep changing it up on yourself? If you want my opinion I'd say stick with a technique for about a month and then switch it up.[/quote]
Personally, for me SSILD has been much more effective than MILD. I used MILD for about 2 months and yielded about 5-6 Lucids. I switched to SSILD and got 4-5 in my first week, I've been averaging about 1-2 a week since then.Quote:
I'd be very curious to hear what people think about SSILD in comparison to other well-known techniques (especially MILD). More effective? Less so?
Thanks for the welcome PennyRoyal :D
For my PhD research I will be randomly allocating participants to one of three groups, which will all involve a different technique. I'm hoping to have somewhere between 50 and 100 participants who will all be naive to lucid dreaming practices. At this stage (before I run my first study) I'm just looking for ideas and also experimenting on myself. For experimenting with myself, I'm trying about 5 different technique and drug combinations. I'm cycling through these combinations (rather than sticking with just one) for two main reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
1. I'm interesting in teaching people who know nothing about LDs how to have them. By constantly changing my own technique, I'm hoping I can simulate these people a little more closely.
2. I don't want to confuse the effects of the drugs I'm using with the effects of greater familiarity with the technique. For example, if I did SSILD for 30 days I'd probably be better at it by the end than I was at the start. Then, if I did another 30 days using SSILD with Galantamine+Choline Bitartrate, and if my average success rate was higher than the 30 days with SSILD alone, it would be hard to tell if this was truly due to the drug or just due me being generally better at SSILD.
That's very interesting that you find SSILD more effective than MILD! I'm very interested to see how this thread progresses!
Sounds like you are just gonna be wasting your time. Consistency is more important am than any drug. You won't be LDing unless you get a random LD that way. (Random LD is an LD you get without a tech, normally comes when you stop LDing for a while, but also happens to people practicing incorrectly). Check out this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...important.html
Supplements and techniques aren't on anyone's list
Thank you for the link - I am still looking for ideas and the thread you linked for me looks like a gold-mine of information.
I appreciate what you're saying here, and I suspect that some people may think that I'm looking for unrealistic short-cuts. I don't want to go into *too* much depth justifying my research because that would be off topic. However, I would point out that for lucid dreaming to be a viable therapeutic tool within clinical psychology, it is important to make lucid dreaming as accessible to novices as possible. If someone presents with PTSD or some other issue, it isn't very practical to ask them to take up meditation AND do regular reality checks through the day AND spend half an hour (or more) every day on a dream journal AND maintain all these things (or some other combination) for weeks or (more likely) months. If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
I guess you are going to find out, but I honestly think if you throw a technique like SSILD at a novice lucid dreamer it will most likely amount to nothing unless it's a random lucid. The purpose of the dream journal is to improve/retain dream -recall- which is CRUCIAL. You can have 10 lucids a week but it doesn't really make a bit of difference to you if you don't remember them when you wake up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
My success rate is nearly 50%, but I spend a lot of time maintaining my recall and awareness/reality check exercices throughout the day. I had an explosion of success at the beginning of my SSILD trial, but there was a competition here on Dreamviews (recalled dreams, tasks while lucid, etc.. = points) during that time and I was very excited for it - which really set my intention.
It's very possible that you won't be able to. It really depends person to person. People that seek out Lucid dreaming in their personal time struggle to have their first lucid for weeks, sometimes months. It took me personally about 6 weeks, but there are members on Dreamviews that registered the same week as I did and still havn't had their first lucid (16 weeks).Quote:
If psychotherapists can't show people how to have LDs within a few attempts, they probably won't try to show them at all. Some of the people in this very thread are reporting success rates nearing the 50% mark with SSILD - thus my interest in this relatively new technique.
Time spent on LDing per day: 7 hours and 50 minutes of sleep, 10 minutes of meditating while laying in bed = 8 hours. I don't DJ, I don't do RCs (unless I feel like it, :P It raises my LDing rate slightly, but not enough to do unless I am on a slump, I do those every time I look at a watch or something. Good to change them up and pick something different every time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
SSILD does seem to be pretty good. I don't think that it is all that cosmic iron says with the "Hypnosis" and all. I think it is a WBTB paired with awareness of your senses, a very good tech if you ask me. WBTB raises awareness, vividness, and recall.
Anyways. 100 is probably the number you are looking for here. 100 LDs till you have the control, stability, and awareness to set up a situation that would fix a psychological disorder, I am gonna PM you a link that should give you a good idea of what type of psychological experiments one can run when LDing.
BUT!!! PTSD normally involves night terrors. :):):):):):):):):):):):):) That is the #1 for making people lucid without a tech. IF you add a small tech to it, you can easily get lucid during nightmares. When you look through intro threads you will see "I learned how to wake myself up when in nightmares when I was a kid.", "I had constant nightmares when I was a kid and then I fought off the monster and realized I was dreaming.", and "I realized I was dreaming and the monster just disappeared." over and over and over again. During nightmares you normally know in the back of your mind that you are dreaming and if it gets too bad you normally wake yourself up. If it is PTSD you simply have to add any number of techs and it should be easy. Recurring dreams are the best dream sign in the world, have them visualize it and imagine themselves realizing they are dreaming, have them repeat as a mantra "When I see **** I will realize i am dreaming.", or any tech really and it should make them realize they are dreaming within a week. It is a gift/curse. I think you should check that out closely. :)
I made that thread hoping people would leave gifts of knowledge on there, it has a lot of good things to review when looking through LDing. A lot of people with more LDs than me on there.
I can't agree with you more. The very goal of SSILD is to make lucid dream induction accessible to everyone. I found that combining supplements with SSILD can produce much higher success rate and more stable/wilder lucid dreams. It is a combo I'd recommend to anyone, novice or pro. Good luck with your research!Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
Ok, so I've read a couple of posts today that have mentioned SSILD, yet try as I have, I can't find any posts on what it actually entails or indeed even stands for. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I don't know, but you have peaked my interest. Just for the noobs out there -ME- would you please explain how I go about practising SSILD...? Thanks in advance.
Nicho...!
Nicho, I tried to post a link to the most up-to-date SSILD tutorial but apparently I need to be a member for a few extra days before I can post links! I think you'd find it in a previous post in this thread (not sure exactly where though).
CosmicIron, are there any supplements that you have found to be especially effective in combination with SSILD?Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Day 23 - FA, didn't catch it for a lucid
Day 24 - 1 Lucid
24 Nights, 10 Successful (12 Lucid, 2 FA)
Tried SSILD again last night. No LD, but I did (again) find myself in a subsequent dream talking to dream characters about lucid dreaming. I also have a memory of thinking I was nearly in a dream after doing SSILD and trying to rub my hands to stabilize the dream. I *think* I ended up rubbing my hands in real life and assuming I wasn't asleep. I don't remember what happened next but I think I entered a non-lucid dream fairly quickly.
I feel that the SSILD technique serves as a kind of "bridge" between waking consciousness and the dream world in a way that other non-WILD techniques do not seem to do. At least in my own (very limited) subjective experience so far. Very interesting technique!
3 Nights, 0 Successful (0 Lucid, 0 FA)
The most effective so far is galantamine and alpha GPC combo. Basically you get up after 4 hours of sleep, take the supplements and immediately go back to bed. Perform a few SSILD cycles -- don't do too many because you don't want to wait till the supplements cross the blood brain barrier which may cause insomnia. This should set up the stage for a wild experience an hour or two later. Make sure you RC upon each subsequent awakening because you will be having FAs like crazy. The nice thing about this combo is that you don't have to spend a long time to try to induce a WILD. Traditionally after taking these supplements you need to spend a long time doing relaxation and other WILD techniques, and they only become effective after the supplements begin to work. This process can take more than an hour and you often risk not being able to fall back to sleep. With SSILD you only need to spend between 5-10 minutes. You may feel this is too short and want to repeat the cycles more. Don't! The supplements are your fuel and SSILD the key. You start the engine and let it roll. Don't want to crank it all the times right? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
I think your observation is correct. There is one especially interesting observation based on my personal experience which supports what you say. it usually goes like this: I woke up some time later from doing SSILD. Reality checked and I was not in a dream. I could no longer utilize the split seconds to perform DEILD or similar tricks because I have physically moved around quit a bit. At this point, I would fully relax the back of my head, allowing it to sink into the pillow, and begin to shift my "focus point of self-awareness" (don't bother looking it up, it's my own "invention" LOL). This would often result in immediate vibrations, ringing sounds, and so on. Even without those, I can usually shift to a different phase easily and quickly. I have done this sort of phase shifting for years and it is possible for me to shift from fully awakened state to dreams within seconds. However, this is still rare and difficult to achieve. On the other hand, with SSILD as the warmup, this stunt can be accomplished every single time! I cannot help but think that SSILD did something that seems to weaken the bound of our physical reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denholm
That's ok, I found the technique tutorial. I tried it before bed - against your advice - and I immediately felt the room starting to spin, but then I just woke up.Quote:
Nicho, I tried to post a link to the most up-to-date SSILD tutorial but apparently I need to be a member for a few extra days before I can post links! I think you'd find it in a previous post in this thread (not sure exactly where though).
The next night, I tried a WBTB with SSILD, but I may have stayed up to late to make it effective. I am going to stick with this one, joint venture with WBTB, I will of course post and results, good or bad as per usual.
Thanks,
Nicho...!
N.b. Heres a link to an SSILD tutorial that may shed some light on the matter, hope it help. If CosmicIron has any problems, PM me and I'll remove it right away.
Day 25&26 no Lucid
26 Nights, 10 Successful (12 Lucid, 2 FA)
Havnt been using SSILD last few days, but I did last night with success. I actually had a handful of FA's (3) last night as well.
27 Nights, 11 Successful, (13 Lucid, 5 FA)
^this is so crucial. Lack of results is caused by lack of the fundamentals of lucid dreaming, not doing techniques 'wrong'. This is not to say that techniques don't train in the fundamentals, but they are ancillary.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
Those results are so impressive, I wonder why I still haven't started incorporating this tech in my disorganized ld approach. My disorganized approach? Yeah, that's probaly the reason. :D Have to work on that! :P
Good job, Penny, keep it up! :goodjob2:
Thank you Penny! Almost to day 30...mixed feelings as I look forward to your updates on this technique.
Seems to have been an effective induction technique for me and many others...but yes, you still need the fundamentals to make real strides(especially with PTSD I would think) unless you are some kind of natural.
I completed the 30 days, No success the last three days.
Final Score:
30 Nights - 11 Lucid occurrences, 13 Lucid Dreams total (5 False Awakenings)
Nice job Penny!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PennyRoyal
Trying to get back into the swing of things. This test worked really well for me last time, going to take another shot at it and see if I can improve from last time.
I havn't had a lucid since September. We'll see how things go this time around. Tonight will be night 1.
One major problem i had while doing SSILD was falling asleep too soon. Since i discovered this, it has become more effective. So i keep my forearm upright until i finish ssild.
Doesn't it say that if you asleep too soon to just stay awake longer? General WBTB rules will apply to this. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VagalTone
With WBTB i have more dificulty falling asleep and it takes more willpower. And with this trick you can stay on the edge of sleep wich i think is a good thing to learn. But WBTB is good too, no question.
When I first started doing SSILD, I think the excitement of having a lucid made it difficult for me to fall asleep. After the first week I was falling asleep pretty easily before I could finish the cycles. I do 2-3 fast cycles that I know I can complete, then I'll move onto doing slower cycles until I pass out. But any way, this tech seems to really do the trick for me. I havn't been lucid in a dream since Labor Day weekend (September) - I had two last night.
Night 1 - No FA, 2 Lucid.
Total: 1 Night, 0 FA, 2 Lucid
Journal Entry
Night 2 - No Fa, No Lucid
Total: 2 Nights, 0 FA, 2 Lucid
I usually have 75-80% success with SSILD it s my favourite method
So with this you have about 5 and 1/2 LDs a week?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZippLord47
I don't really use, I use my own variation of SSILD. Taking the parts that make me lucid more often. Dropping what is useless for me, and adapting it all together into my own technique.
I think I'll do a 30 day test. Just gotta figure out if I can do an hour WBTB(It's much better for my awareness. I would easily fall asleep and be more aware, or it doesn't work that way? Is it just the effect of the long WBTB?)
Going to start this tonight. Ill stay updated with my results ;)
Attempts: 1
FA:0
Lucids:0
Can you expand on this? I'm curious as to what you find most helpful...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
Denholm! Check the link in my signaute! It has all I do in it. Not sure if I answered that questions, but it should be under SSILD if you CTL + F it on the page.
Day 1 and 2
Lucids: 0
FA: 0
Last night was technically Day 3 but I forgot about doing SSILD. For the first two days, I fell asleep in the first cycle of it, so I need to stay up later. I think i'm going to skip it tonight too unless I wake up naturally because I'm pretty tired and need to catch up on sleep because school...
Wow, there's so much success in this thread, I have to try it too. I'll start posting my progress here tomorrow too. Wish me luck!
Day 1
Attempts: 0
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
Last night I tried to wake up at 3 am to attempt SSILD, but I fell asleep before I was able to start.
I have to bail guys! I found that MILD+WBTB is perfect night exercises for me sooooo.........
Day 2
Attempts: 1
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
Last night I woke up at 3am, went to the bathroom, drank a glass of apple juice and then went back to bed to do the cycles. During the slow cycles I noticed that I was getting distracted a lot by random thoughts, but I finished the cycles. After that I tried to fall asleep, but it took a while and I had no lucids.
Hey I'm back from a long hiatus and will finally have a consistent sleep schedule! Right before I left I was experimenting with this method so that is where I will pick up again. Last night I tried this for
Day 1
Attempts: 1
LDs: 0
FAs:0
I woke up after 4 hours of sleep. Was too lazy to actually get out of bed for WBTB and fell asleep prematurely. Will try again tonight with hopefully better results!
Ok I couldn't WILD so I tried SSILD last night.
I know I stopped, but I got a result so I thought it would be good to post here:
1 attempt, 1 FA, 0 LD
Day 2
Attempts: 2
LDs: 0
FAs: 0
So I tried again last night aaannnddd I didn't get outta bed. I have no idea my logical brain just shuts off. Its not really due to laziness but I think I will change the alarm tone to trumpets to get me going. Also forgot to RC after I tried and I had a hard time falling back asleep so that might have possibly been a FA but I'm not positive though!
I like the idea behind SSILD so I'm going to do this 30 day thing.
Started 4 days ago but I'm only going to count from yesterday because the conditions for the other two days were horrible and I doubt any technique would have worked.
Day 1:
No difference, dreams same as usual.
Day 2:
- SSILD induced WILD - very smooth and fast transition into a dream, as a WILD technique I would rate 10/10
- Other dreams same as always no change in vividness, content or anything else.
Attempts: 2
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 3:
No effect.
Day 4:
Bad night, couldn't sleep properly after WBTB, stayed up for a couple of hours and then went back to bed, fell asleep but SSILD had no effect.
Attempts: 4
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Sounds like a good experience. I'll keep an eye out for this, and probably participate myself. I'll report in!
Day 5:
No effect.
Day 6:
I kept falling asleep at the start of the SSILD, but I think this is actually a good thing, just need to strike a balance now between alert enough to do SSILD and sleepy enough to actually fall asleep in whatever sense-awareness state of mind SSILD tries to achieve.
Attempts: 6
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 7:
Nada. I'm a bit disappointed so far, my dreams are exactly the same as always, I expected at least one FA. Starting to wonder if the FAs are just because people are told the technique is supposed to produce them and it becomes a placebo effect. Oh well, will keep trying.
Day 8:
Got ~4 hours of sleep so not a good night.
Attempts: 8
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 9:
Don't think this was a good night, I had a half-dream (it was around 3.5 hours of sleep so it was half-thoughts / half-dreaming) where I was dreaming/thinking about SSILD. :huh2: The rest of the night was uneventful.
Day 10:
Missed a couple of opportunities for SSILD because I fell asleep too quickly, the two biggest killers of the technique seem to be falling asleep before really getting started and not being able to fall asleep from doing too many repetitions.
Attempted Nights: 9
Total Attempts: ~15
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.6
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
PS: fixed my attempts count to be more precise about what I'm doing.
Day 11:
Tried SSILD once this night but I was quite sleepy so it was half-arsed, had some normal dreams.
Day 12:
Not much sleep so not a good night for this.
Attempted Nights: 10
Total Attempts: ~16
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.6
WILDs: 1
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Last few days haven't been too good sleep wise, will try to resume with more energy tomorrow!
Day 13:
I was entering a WILD from SSILD but I decided to stop that and turned over to go to sleep and see if I could manage to get a DILD instead. Dreams were normal the rest of the night, it doesn't seem like SSILD is having any effect on my dreams whatsoever. =[
Day 14:
Fell asleep during WBTB so no SSILD today.
Attempted Nights: 11
Total Attempts: ~17
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.5
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0
Day 15:
Not much sleep no attempt.
Day 16:
Woke up from a really long dream (probably due to the lack of sleep the night before), feel asleep after about 2 cycles of SSILD, nothing to note the rest of the night.
Attempted Nights: 12
Total Attempts: ~18
Average Attempts per Night: ~1.5
WILDs: 2
DILDs: 0
FAs: 0