Lucid dreaming + Psychoactive drugs

[Minow267]

Please don't go and tell me that drugs are bad, I know that drugs are bad but I did have a very strange dream the other day in which I came onto something. Probably nothing but I really felt like I had to tell someone. Here's my thought process, hang in there cause it is pretty crazy. 1. whenever I smoke a joint that feeling u get (for me) is VERY similar to the feeling you get if you stay up VERY late and force yourself to stay awake. 2. That forgetfulness that people get when doing psychoactive drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, and salvia are very similar to that of a dream state. Why am I mentioning all of this? Just some pothead trying to make marry jane look good? No not at all. The reason why I mention this is because If psychoactive drugs touch your logic center in the same way that your brain shuts off your logic center and allows your mind to roam free, there are a lot of applications for this: 1. You have heard people say. Well when I am high I am more creative. Well there might be something to that. Since the logic center of your brain is being forced into submission because of some drug. Your brain is going to use more of its cpu power to use for your thought process. It will allow your creativity to roam wild, and the parts of your brain which is constantly looking for danger gets turned down a bit. However this is nothing compared to the power of lucid dreams. Well what good is this to us? Even if it is true? (which it probably isn't) Well for one it might allows us to figure out how the logic center in our brain works. Also i have to mention that using psychoactive drugs in my personal experience makes it HARDER to have a lucid dream. Why? well I think that is because if marijuana works on the logic center, and when you are dreaming that logic center is already turned off. It is going to be so much harder to "realize" that one is dreaming. Now why am I mentioning all of this? Well I think it might be possible to cure or at least help treat diseases like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, manic episodes and so forth. how? Well take schizophrenia for example. This is a person who has multiple personalities in one body. I can see this being that the logic center has been damaged. Maybe because of drug use maybe not. the point being, the logic part of that persons brain is damaged. And his inner characters are coming out separately. I think that if a person like this confronts this other character in a dream, and merges with it. (because its part who he / she is) that person might be able to effectively cure himself. The drugs therapists give patients like this work like this: Our bodies make certain molecules to do different things. There are so many that we are not even close to figuring it all out. But what therapists momentarily think is that since that persons brain is making too little of a certain substance, those people need to take daily pills to help compensate for that fact. This is a long process in which different pills are given in different combination to find the patients perfect dosage. This can really help these kind of people. But are your really treating anything? is it not the same thing as putting a band-aid on a cut instead of preventing the cut from happening in the first place? I think it might be very interesting to look into this. Last thought: I have only had 3 lucid dreams in my life. I have only found out about lucid dreaming for about one year. So I have a question for some of the more experienced lucid dreamers. Have any of you ever smoked a joint in your dream (if you have done it in real life as well) and if so does it feel the same?

[Vranna]

lol. I've never smoked a joint in my dreams. I don't even think about drugs in my dreams. Now that I think about it it's odd, cause in my waking life I do/did smoke a lot of joints every day.

[Minow267]

Yup, I am exactly the same. I never have a dream in which I do any kind of drug... The only dreams that I ever have that have anything do do with drugs is maybe finding a huge bag of weed. But I never get to smoking it. But why is that? could it be that that same high we get when we smoke a joint is close to or just as intense as the general high of a dream? food for thought :p that is why I am wondering if anyone has ever done this who can lucid dream frequently.

[nina]

I'm a hardcore psychonaut.

[lucid4sho]

try mixing a line of meth,heroin,pcp,coke,mdma, eat a bag of shrooms and inject dmt into your eyeball while smoking opium and drinking everclear, it works everytime.

[nina]

try mixing a line of meth,heroin,pcp,coke,mdma, eat a bag of shrooms and inject dmt into your eyeball while smoking opium and drinking everclear, it works everytime. No.

[Minow267]

Always got to be someone who thinks they are so high and mighty because they have never done any type of drug. Ironically it is these type of people who end up becoming addicted to caffeine, and alcohol. Because they do not consider these drugs to be "drugs". Mary Jane = softdrugs Alcohol = Harddrug All I want to know is if it is possible to take drugs in your sleep. If this is the case, then lucid dreaming might actually be a way for people who are addicted to certain drugs to use them at night when they aren't harmful to their body. But some people are not open enough to put themselves into other peoples shoes. I was hoping that people who have already realized the world of lucid dreams would be less quick to judge someone without even looking at the other persons point of view.

[Supernova]

I'm a hardcore psychonaut. +1

[lucid4sho]

Always got to be someone who thinks they are so high and mighty because they have never done any type of drug. Ironically it is these type of people who end up becoming addicted to caffeine, and alcohol. Because they do not consider these drugs to be "drugs". Mary Jane = softdrugs Alcohol = Harddrug All I want to know is if it is possible to take drugs in your sleep. If this is the case, then lucid dreaming might actually be a way for people who are addicted to certain drugs to use them at night when they aren't harmful to their body. But some people are not open enough to put themselves into other peoples shoes. I was hoping that people who have already realized the world of lucid dreams would be less quick to judge someone without even looking at the other persons point of view. Definitely possible to use drugs in your dreams. When I smoke DMT in my dream I become disembodied and start to see random odd psychedelic scenes. Once I was injected with heroin in a dream and it had very similar effects. Weed doesn't seem to have much of an effect as I naturally have a pot like high in dreams. I think dreams could be used to combat addiction, but I feel it would need to be in a different way than how you are suggesting. Using a drug in a dream, though physically harmless, is still feeding addiction.

[Minow267]

Thank you! finally someone who took the question seriously. yes i think you are right about that. One thing we should take into account though is the fact that you are not actually taking the drug. So your body will not "miss" the drug because it has nothing to crave. I am talking about the withdraw symptoms. But I think u are right about there being better ways. But how? take smoking for example. I would love to be able to quit smoking through using lucid dreams. Maybe make it so that I feel sick every time I have the urge to smoke a cigarette?

[nina]

Maybe not physical withdrawal, but psychological withdrawal is just as difficult to overcome.

[lucid4sho]

Maybe not physical withdrawal, but psychological withdrawal is just as difficult to overcome. exactly

[lucid4sho]

Thank you! finally someone who took the question seriously. yes i think you are right about that. One thing we should take into account though is the fact that you are not actually taking the drug. So your body will not "miss" the drug because it has nothing to crave. I am talking about the withdraw symptoms. But I think u are right about there being better ways. But how? take smoking for example. I would love to be able to quit smoking through using lucid dreams. Maybe make it so that I feel sick every time I have the urge to smoke a cigarette? Being prone to addiction is thought to be mostly genetic, but a lot of times it is deep seeded issues that trigger a person to use. I feel dreams are a place to learn about yourself and your life, which in turn could help you face or just realize something wrong in your life that makes you want to use. Problems are easier to overcome when you have a better understanding. As far as cigarettes, many people are either calmed or stimulated by nicotine and that is the effect they are after whether fully aware of it or not. Figuring out the source of your anxiety or fatigue could be a way to end your desire to smoke.

[Peel]

I think I one time used shrooms in a non-lucid dream. I remember there was some effect, but it wasn't too similar to the real thing... Edit: Now that I think of it, I may have also smoked Salvia in a dream, and the effects were very different...

[detroitLions1970]

Please don't go and tell me that drugs are bad, I know that drugs are bad but I did have a very strange dream the other day in which I came onto something. Probably nothing but I really felt like I had to tell someone. Here's my thought process, hang in there cause it is pretty crazy. 1. whenever I smoke a joint that feeling u get (for me) is VERY similar to the feeling you get if you stay up VERY late and force yourself to stay awake. 2. That forgetfulness that people get when doing psychoactive drugs like marijuana, mushrooms, and salvia are very similar to that of a dream state. Why am I mentioning all of this? Just some pothead trying to make marry jane look good? No not at all. Hehe, I don't mean to be an ass... But its kind of ironic that you'd mispell Mary, then say that you don't intend to try and make it look good? Just you know... makes the connection between pothead and well... cognitive dysfunction... So it had the opposite effect. Ok, I'll shut up now

[SKA]

try mixing a line of meth,heroin,pcp,coke,mdma, eat a bag of shrooms and inject dmt into your eyeball while smoking opium and drinking everclear, it works everytime. I think someone is getting pretty close to getting his sorry ass banned pretty damn soon. I sure can't wait. ------------------------------ Now to leave the pathetic fools behind and continue with serious, intelligent discussion: -Mushrooms have given me incredibly vivid, symbolical, coherent and well remembered dreams. -3 seeds of Datura Inoxia(which allways is a safe dose) right before bedtime has allways helped me have vivid, inCREDIBLY well remembered dreams. -Hashish have given me vivid, clear dreams, but it differs too much to say if it helps or hurts lucidity.

[lucid4sho]

I think someone is getting pretty close to getting his sorry ass banned pretty damn soon. I sure can't wait. I am not encouraging illegal drug use like you constantly do. My post was clearly sarcastic.

[Minow267]

Hey shades. 2 things: 1. I have dyslexia 2. English is not my first language... I would like to see you spell correctly in a second language. But you are right. There is some nice irony there haha Another question to those of you who smoke weed. Do you have more lucid dreams when you fall asleep high? or when you are sober?

[Vranna]

Another question to those of you who smoke weed. Do you have more lucid dreams when you fall asleep high? or when you are sober? It doesn't seem to affect how many lucid dreams I have. But I really think this depends on the person.

[Minow267]

Vranna, thank you for that. Because tbh, I can not remember whether or not I was high when I went to sleep when I had my first lucid dreams. So what I am going to do is smoke for a month, and then not smoke for a month, and see if I get more lucid dreams in one compared to the other. (I have only had 3 lucid dreams, and they were very short. I do reality checks all the time during the day, but somehow I still seem to not get that many. Wonder what I am doing wrong) I do seem to forget quite a few of my dreams though. I have had trouble remembering them lately. I guess I will have to start waking myself more often with an alarm clock so that I wake up during an REM period. Dunno really

[SKA]

Indeed psychedelic experiences of any kind(cannabis, Mushrooms, DMT, LSD) vary greatly from individual to individual. Personally I have most luck, in terms of vivid, conscious dreams, when I smoke hash. Marijuana seems to vary in effects from giving me vivid dreams to givin me no dream recall. It varies too much to say what it exactly does. But Hash has allways been my friend in my quest for Lucidity It is also known that small doses of psychedelic tryptamines like LSD and Psilocybin from Mushrooms are known to be great Oneirogens. Low enough doses to not or hardily feel it when awake ( too much psilocybin or LSD is likely to keep you from sleep ) But sofar 3 Datura Inoxia seeds before bedtime is the most effective, sure fire way of boosting dreamvividness and recall. So perhaps 3 Datura seeds combined with 1/5th of an LSD blotter or 1 tiny mushroom is the best Oneirogen.

[nina]

I think someone is getting pretty close to getting his sorry ass banned pretty damn soon. I sure can't wait. ------------------------------ Now to leave the pathetic fools behind and continue with serious, intelligent discussion: I think it was pretty clear his post was sarcastic, no need to be so rude. And that last comment was slightly arrogant, you might want to check that ego, my friend.

[SKA]

I think it was pretty clear his post was sarcastic, no need to be so rude. And that last comment was slightly arrogant, you might want to check that ego, my friend. What good is sarcasm and nay-saying in a serious and intelligent discussion? Far too many intelligent, progressive topics have been derailed by sarcasm and ranting like he does. Just don't feel his grim, negative input is desirable in a positive, brightminded topic like this. He is a intelligence inhibitor. And I am an intelligence stimulator. Yes I'm rude. I am polite to people that know how to behave. People that are rude to me: Right back atcha. Very simple logic really. Allthough you're right; he's tempting my Ego to hack back at him. But he's tempting all our egos with his ranting and this is how he and people like him derail good topics. So to consider what you said: It's probably best to ignore every single pathetic post that Lucid4Sho makes and continue intelligent discussion like he's non-existant; untill he actually gets banned, or is taught some respect and learns to behave. Now would you like to continue this discussion to end in one of the many silly "Drugs are bad hmmkay"-rants? Or would you rather prefer to intelligently continue the discussion on how Psychoactive drugs might affect dreams?

[Minow267]

Well no worries, as long as there are people who take my question seriously I am happy :p But the thing I really want to know is: If someone were to take a brain scan when dreaming, And a brain scan when high on a psychoactive drug, whether it affects the same area of the brain, and what the difference is between the 2. And then alternatively why those drugs would cause psychosis and other mental problems. The only thing I can come up with is that because when you are awake the logic center constantly gets turned on and off again when taking these kind of drugs. And because your brain is constantly trying to figure out the difference between reality and "hypnotic imagery" I can see this causing problems. Or is it something else? What do you think?

[hostetjm]

I did acid in a dream once. The visual hallucinations were more intense than what I have experienced in waking life. The dream was very vivid and I was only lucid once I started to see cartoon animals all around, then lost it.