The 90 Days WILD Project Phase 2

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Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Meh, RCs for me are really just a way of double checking. Awareness is really what gets me lucid.

Day 2: 3 Successes - 2 WILDs - 1 DEILD

Notes: On the first one I found myself thinking about how I was going to do it too much, but once I settled down and got myself in the sleeping mindset things started to look up. I had some very odd hallucinations of my mother jumping around my room and saying things to me in hushed whispers, but I managed to ignore it all. Of course, then I screwed up my usual awareness 'exercise' and took too much notice of my thought patterns and was then forced to emulate a seemingly random stream of consciousness until I felt the transition. Shortly after the WILD I had an FA in a DILD followed by a failed DEILD attempt, but I still managed to turn it into a DILD.

I woke up, didn't bother trying again, but still managed a DILD out of the blue, after which I woke up and decided to go for another WILD. This one was much smoother, and the transition occurred very quickly with minimal amounts of distracting SP or HH. Unfortunately, it turned into a wannabe nightmare and I decided it would be better to wake up and try again since I didn't have a lot of control over anything, really. Came out of that one into a successful DEILD wherein I used visualization to form the dream as I saw fit. It was actually really cool. No more attempts after that, but I did have another DILD to cap off the night.

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It doesn't seem that they work for me either, since, 80% of my LDs have been awareness and possibly one(semi-lucid) was due to RCing, so, I plan to stop RCing since there is no purpose to it. Congrats on the LD, sounded like a nice mixture of different techniques to get the LD :)
I tried WILDing the last two nights, I would wake up, stay in bed and then pass out. I did manage to hear some sound and that woke me up in one of my attempts but that was the closest I got. I think having a second alarm go off an hour after you wake up to try and WILD is a good idea so that you could still benefit even if you fail at your attempt :)

Well, talking about RC's, for me they are mainly for making double sure it's a dream before jumping out the window or running into a wall... But right now I'm using an alarm during the day, which does off every 10 minutes and I don't have to turn it off. Every time it goes off I do a RC, at night I set it to go every 25 minutes (not from the moment I go to bed, but about 3 hours into my sleep), hoping that I will hear the alarm in my dream, making me do a RC. I haven't had success yet, after 2 days, however my recall is EXTREMELY off right now. Last night I got about 7 hours of sleep, didn't recall a single dream.

Now back to the project, I didn't give it a try last morning, but I'm planning to do so tomorrow morning :)

Managed to pull off 4 WILDs today. I didn't manage 7 total lucids like last time, but here's the run down.

Day 3: Success
Number of Attempts: 5
Number of Successes: 4
Notes: My first attempt during an afternoon nap was a resounding failure. I lost consciousness, which is unfortunately prone to happening with my method at times. I had gotten 6 hours of sleep the night before.

My second attempt occurred after waking and adjusting to a more comfortable position. I found success employing my usual method, using the pain from my shoulder as an anchor (I was laying on it weird during my first attempt). After that LD, I performed a DEILD upon waking, still using the same method, and completed both ToTMs.

Waking up from the DEILD, I moved around a bit, thought about stopping, but ultimately decided to go for broke. Another successful WILD attempt was my reward, and I topped it all off with a DEILD for good measure.

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Originally Posted by AndresLD

Well, talking about RC's, for me they are mainly for making double sure it's a dream before jumping out the window or running into a wall... But right now I'm using an alarm during the day, which does off every 10 minutes and I don't have to turn it off. Every time it goes off I do a RC, at night I set it to go every 25 minutes (not from the moment I go to bed, but about 3 hours into my sleep), hoping that I will hear the alarm in my dream, making me do a RC. I haven't had success yet, after 2 days, however my recall is EXTREMELY off right now. Last night I got about 7 hours of sleep, didn't recall a single dream.

Now back to the project, I didn't give it a try last morning, but I'm planning to do so tomorrow morning :)

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I'm in a similar position. I find it pretty difficult nowadays to get even a single dream recorded, let alone 2 or even 3 which is the most I've ever recorded. Still, surprised that people on here are able to remember up to 8, etc.... Having said that, most of those 8 are fragments, so, it's not 8 large dreams all the time. Anyways, I didn't have much luck with WILDing last night either. The alarm rang several times and I could hear it but not put it off. Eventually, I really woke up and put it off, so, it's possible that I was semi-asleep.

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Originally Posted by Mzzkc

Managed to pull off 4 WILDs today. I didn't manage 7 total lucids like last time, but here's the run down.

Day 3: Success
Number of Attempts: 5
Number of Successes: 4
Notes: My first attempt during an afternoon nap was a resounding failure. I lost consciousness, which is unfortunately prone to happening with my method at times. I had gotten 6 hours of sleep the night before.

My second attempt occurred after waking and adjusting to a more comfortable position. I found success employing my usual method, using the pain from my shoulder as an anchor (I was laying on it weird during my first attempt). After that LD, I performed a DEILD upon waking, still using the same method, and completed both ToTMs.

Waking up from the DEILD, I moved around a bit, thought about stopping, but ultimately decided to go for broke. Another successful WILD attempt was my reward, and I topped it all off with a DEILD for good measure.

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:lol: Nice work. I haven't managed to pull out an LD since my last one on June 7th or something along those lines, so, I'm hoping that soon I'll be getting another one :)

Even though I didn't attempt last night, I succeeded :D

Day 8:
Went to bed at: 11:30
Set alarm at: Didn't set any alarms
After I woke up to alarm I: I had a DILD and started waking up, so I held still and didn't open my eyes
To WILD I tried: DEILDing back into the dream
I was: successful

Well, it was a DILD followed by a DEILD, which is a quick WILD, so I guess it counts :D

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Originally Posted by AndresLD

Even though I didn't attempt last night, I succeeded :D

Day 8:
Went to bed at: 11:30
Set alarm at: Didn't set any alarms
After I woke up to alarm I: I had a DILD and started waking up, so I held still and didn't open my eyes
To WILD I tried: DEILDing back into the dream
I was: successful

Well, it was a DILD followed by a DEILD, which is a quick WILD, so I guess it counts :D

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:lol: Why not? ;)
Didn't have much success myself, didn't have an alarm to set so I had to pass, but, I'll be trying again tonight :)

About time i got day 1 in here.

Day 1:

I didn't attempt at night, but i did attempt a WILD for a nap. I didn't get too far. I started to get mild sp, but then my dog started barking like crazy and screwed everything up. I guess trying during the day has its potential interruptions. Maybe i'll have better luck tonight.

Congrats everybody on all of the successes! Especially you, Mzzkc, with your couple thousand WILD's a night. :D Hope i'm able to become that proficient at WILDing.

I haven't been able to WILD the last couple of nights. It's just too humid where I live and I keep putting the alarm off :P

Not much luck last night, I slept only 6hr and likely put off the alarm. Seems lately I've been sleeping like a brick :lol: Maybe tonight will be the night, since, I haven't WILD'd in a LONG time :P

Again, another unexpected success :)
I'm staying at a hotel in Orlando, due to a important martial arts tournament, staying in the same room with my dad.
Anyways this morning I woke up at 5:45 in the morning, and had trouble going back to sleep because of the big day ahead of me, and also my dad's snoring. At after hour and a half of trying to go back to sleep (7:15 approx.) I started falling asleep again, when suddenly I get a HUGE wave of sleep paralysis. I tried plugging my nose to see if it was a FA, but was unable to move my arm. I tried to create a dream scenario, but had trouble doing so. Then, somehow I had the idea of "sinking into my bed", and it happened,, I just fell straight through my bed into a water well, I plugged my nose, and I was dreaming :). The dream wasn't too clear, but I was able to find my Inner Sanctuary (which to no surprise is the Zelda Castle from Ocarina of Time). It was a nice LD :).

Day 9:Went to bed at: 12:30
Set alarm at: Didn't set any alarms
After I woke up to alarm I: no alarm
To WILD I tried: making myself fall through my bed, after SP set in.
I was: successful

Congrats!

I haven't had a lot of time lately with work, but I did get a couple attempts in. Haven't been able to get them up here until now.

Day 4: Failure
Notes: WBTB. Lost consciousness due to being too tired to keep up awareness.

Day 5: Failure
Notes: WBTB. Lost consciousness for pretty much the same reason.

Thanks Mzzkc, your theory definitely works :P, when WILDing, we shouldn't worry about not moving, or recognizing the signs of a WILD, just relax and go to sleep ;)

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Originally Posted by AndresLD

Thanks Mzzkc, your theory definitely works :P, when WILDing, we shouldn't worry about not moving, or recognizing the signs of a WILD, just relax and go to sleep ;)

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Congrats on the LD. While I agree with the idea of just relaxing and going to sleep, I wonder how one is supposed to maintain awareness so that they can enter a dream lucid already? I mean the idea of counting was to maintain awareness, likewise using breathing, other sounds in your room, etc.... but I find that those can be annoying and prevent me from sleeping if I'm not tired enough which goes back to the idea of maintaining awareness during the transition :P

There's a few good ways to do it: anchors, setting a 'reminder', straight-up willpower. and emulating thought patterns that occur when falling asleep are the ones I've found most effective.

Anchors are pretty straightforward and should be well known enough that I don't need to explain them here. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

The 'reminder' is something I developed awhile back when first experimenting with the idea. Essentially, you use prospective memory to set a 'sentinel of intent,' as I like to call it, to jolt you into consciousness the moment you feel the usual transition.

Using willpower simply involves going to sleep while forcing yourself to stay aware throughout the transition. For it work properly, you have to stop controlling the direction of your thoughts, while still keeping a close eye on your mental state. It's not the easiest thing in the world, and definitely not my method of choice. I usually only use it when I'm exhausted, but I still have my mental faculties performing well. Actually, my last two failures were accomplished using this one.

The thought pattern emulation actually evolved from my experiments with the willpower method. This time, you take full control of your thoughts, but direct them in such a way that each thought leads to a seemingly random associated thought, much like what happens when falling asleep. It takes some practice to get down, but I really like this one. The thought chains can be quite interesting at times.

Let me know if you've got any other questions. I'd be happy to help.

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Originally Posted by Mzzkc

There's a few good ways to do it: anchors, setting a 'reminder', straight-up willpower. and emulating thought patterns that occur when falling asleep are the ones I've found most effective.

Anchors are pretty straightforward and should be well known enough that I don't need to explain them here. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

The 'reminder' is something I developed awhile back when first experimenting with the idea. Essentially, you use prospective memory to set a 'sentinel of intent,' as I like to call it, to jolt you into consciousness the moment you feel the usual transition.

Using willpower simply involves going to sleep while forcing yourself to stay aware throughout the transition. For it work properly, you have to stop controlling the direction of your thoughts, while still keeping a close eye on your mental state. It's not the easiest thing in the world, and definitely not my method of choice. I usually only use it when I'm exhausted, but I still have my mental faculties performing well. Actually, my last two failures were accomplished using this one.

The thought pattern emulation actually evolved from my experiments with the willpower method. This time, you take full control of your thoughts, but direct them in such a way that each thought leads to a seemingly random associated thought, much like what happens when falling asleep. It takes some practice to get down, but I really like this one. The thought chains can be quite interesting at times.

Let me know if you've got any other questions. I'd be happy to help.

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Thanks for this, it's very well written and has some interesting ideas. In my case, if I use an anchor such as the wind outside the window, I will eventually lose focus because of getting tired. If I don't lose focus, I just can't get to sleep before I'm focusing too much on the anchor which really gets to me since I do need my sleep and don't want to be in bed for 1hr+. I have thought about trying reminders and actually usually repeat the "I will become lucid in my dreams" phrase before falling asleep, but, I haven't had much luck with it.
I have also tried willpower before. My only somewhat success with WILDing came when I woke up really early one day and wasn't going to work in a couple of hours, basically, it was my last day of my phase 2 in my CAT attempts which involved waking up 1.5hr before normal time and doing RCs throughout that time. After those 90min were done, I laid down on the sofa and started to slowly fall asleep. I didn't want to fall and was somewhat worried about missing work since I didn't have an alarm set. I ended up dreaming about bouncing around and I think I was somewhat conscious in my dream because I was thinking about the fact that I will see the earth from space after this next bounce. I started to get scared and snapped out of it only to awake with my eyes closed and all these high and annoying noises with the color orange, etc.... I thought that I was probably WILDing and decided to keep my eyes closed even though I opened them very slightly as soon as I exited the dream and continued with it. Eventually, the intensity was too much and got me too worried so I opened my eyes to snap out of it. Finally, I haven't been able to wake up to WILD for a long time now. When I first decided to start WILDing, I was able to easily wake up on my alarm, however, I find that I just can't anymore, so, I'm starting to look for other ways to wake up to WILD. For example, I tried using an alarm to wake me up 5.5hr into my sleep and woke up this morning wonder how I put it off. Usually, I can recall moving from my bed to do so, but, it was a complete blankout last night. It makes me wonder if sleeping after 12 is why this is happening, since, in my previous attempts, it seems that if I asleep around 11, I can usually wake up at around 5 or so easily. Guess will have to find out tonight :P

I tried WILDing the last two nights. I wasn't successful the first night. As for last night, well, my experience is written below:
I awoke after ~5.5hr of sleep. I decided to WILD and this time I wanted to really try and not just sleep away like what's been happening the last while. I slept on my back and just tried to relax and get back to sleep. I started using the counting as an anchor and tried to make it somewhat passive, so, that it's not going to keep me awake. I was somewhat success since it seemed like the counting was in the background. After a good amount of time, I started getting numb but could still move, since, I moved my finger a couple of times throughout. I also twitched a couple of times. Once numb, I decided to try and play a song in my head so that I can still be awake listening to the song but fall asleep at the same time since the song was playing on it's own. Again, I was successful on the passive part, but, still no results. It also seemed that I was up for a good bit by now, so, I decided to move to my side and go to sleep. I've always heard stories of SP hitting when someone changed position, so, I thought why not? No luck again and then finally moved onto my stomach which has become my normal sleeping position and eventually blanked out. I ended up becoming lucid in a dream, not sure how, but, I just became aware of it as far as I recall, it might have even been an FA since I started in my room but I can't really decide if that's the case. Anyways, I am satisfied to have had another LD after such a long time of having none and I plan to try and WILD using a similar method to the one above to try and achieve a WILD. Once I have one, I can probably get many more using the knowledge I would have gained :) The full dream will be in my journal very shortly :D

It seems to me like you were very close, keep it up :D!
Anyways, I had a DILD followed by a DEILD this morning.

Day 10:
Went to bed at: 11:30
Set alarm at: Didn't set any alarms, but my gf called me at 6:52, we talked until 7:30 and I went back to bed.
After I woke up to alarm I: no alarm, just talked to my gf, and after this I went to sleep, hoping I would get that lucky sudden SP wave I seem to get when I try to sleep after being awake for more than half an hour.
To WILD I tried: Holding still after waking up from the DILD I had. I felt like my body rolled out of bed and kept rolling, suddenly I was back in the dream.
I was: successful

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Originally Posted by AndresLD

It seems to me like you were very close, keep it up :D!
Anyways, I had a DILD followed by a DEILD this morning.

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Thanks, I think I'm getting closer everytime I WILD :D Congrats on the LD :)

Day 2:

I failed. But i'm beginning to figure out why. One thing is that i'm too picky about which days i post. Another is that i'm losing focus too easily during the WILD attempt. I seem to be forgetting what i'm doing during the attempt and then falling asleep. I need to focus more on the task at hand. I would really like to be able to WILD tonight and do the advanced TOTM (make at least 2 clones of myself), that's the plan anyway. :)

Congrats Andres on the successes, you seem to be on a roll! :D

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 2:

I failed. But i'm beginning to figure out why. One thing is that i'm too picky about which days i post. Another is that i'm losing focus too easily during the WILD attempt. I seem to be forgetting what i'm doing during the attempt and then falling asleep. I need to focus more on the task at hand. I would really like to be able to WILD tonight and do the advanced TOTM (make at least 2 clones of myself), that's the plan anyway. :)

Congrats Andres on the successes, you seem to be on a roll! :D

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I'm in a similar boat. With the previous project, I was attempting every night although I wasn't getting up and falling back asleep the last while, but, nowadays I don't have that motivation to try and wake up. I was able to get up today to try and WILD. Here is what I got:
I did my usual procedure of just laying still while observing my breathing, so, pretty much just meditating. I got numb and got some sensations but before I could proceed any further, my second alarm went off and shocked me out of it. I moved to my side and eventually fell asleep without an LD. I found that all my LDs except the first one came from a WBTB and thinking about lucidity right before falling asleep, so, I think just making an effort to wake up and WILD can lead to one, however, it seems that you have to really work at it to instill the idea of LDing before falling back asleep, otherwise, no LDs :P
hmm, this thread seems to be dying slowly. Let's keeps the attempts going guys :)

Day 3:

I failed again. The same result happened again. I lost focus and fell asleep unaware. I think that i'm not staying awake long enough after waking up to WILD. I'm still too sleepy to stay aware. So i'm going to try to WBTB with my WILD attempt.

Also, I'm with BigFan, let's not let this thread die! It has to live until we're all proficient WILD'ers! :D

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 3:

I failed again. The same result happened again. I lost focus and fell asleep unaware. I think that i'm not staying awake long enough after waking up to WILD. I'm still too sleepy to stay aware. So i'm going to try to WBTB with my WILD attempt.

Also, I'm with BigFan, let's not let this thread die! It has to live until we're all proficient WILD'ers! :D

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Yes, it has to, then we can just LD at will and keeping tracking would be pointless :D Unfortunately, I couldn't WILD last night due to work and can't tonight due to an overnight shift, however, I plan to use my willpower to try and stay awake when I get to bed, since, I'll be exhausted and should get to SP faster :)

Day 4:
Nooo! I failed again. Same as last time. I don't think i stayed up long enough for the WBTB. The only thing is that i don't want to have to rely on a WBTB to WILD. I'm sure that i wouldn't be able to WBTB every night, because i would lose sleep and my body would get too used to getting up for WBTB, which could cause sleeping problems. I guess there's no problem with the occasional
WBTB so long as i don't do it too often.

I really want to get to the point where i can just wake up in the middle of the night naturally, get up to go to the bathroom if i have to or maybe drink some water if i'm thirsty, and then just start WILD'ing. Maybe even do more than one WILD a night. Making WILD the ld whenever the heck you want to technique. That's where i'm hoping to get...someday. :D

Dark, good to see you're back :D!
Lately I've been too sick and lazy to try an attempt to WILD, I should get back on track as soon as I'm feeling better :)

Unfortunately, I've been too busy lately as well and haven't had a chance to WILD :P Seems both Clyde and Mzzkc abandoned their attempts.