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... my aim is not to be funny
my aim is to show you
Oh, that sucks. Well, go ahead and show me, then.
its not something that can be done by me
you must first be prepered to see the Truth
Wow, Mark, get over yourself. Are raving lunatics and others that believe in such nonsense things, like super powers and magic, really pissing you off this much? You even said it yourself: they seek each other out. So obviously, they aren't spending time with you.
And your remarks about religion. Some groups of people find comfort (myself not included) in believing in a higher power or "control". This doesn't make them crazy or "psychos". There's a difference between believing that you can boil water or move a pencil with your mind, and believing that something transcendental has perhaps created the (so far, not completely understandable) physical world.
Okay, now I'm ready. Lay it on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
Yes. It really annoys me when I'm not allowed to criticize ridiculous things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
Really? And what difference is that? It's believing in magic either way. In one case it's god's magic, in the other, your own magic. Some people find comfort in believing that they can boil water or move a pencil with their mind (see "Insufficient Reality Syndrome" in the initial post). Maybe I find comfort in mocking these ideas. I think you should just respect my beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
No one said you're not allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark75
I respect them; I'm just letting you know what I think.Quote:
Really? And what difference is that? It's believing in magic either way. In one case it's god's magic, in the other, your own magic. Some people find comfort in believing that they can boil water or move a pencil with their mind (see "Insufficient Reality Syndrome" in the initial post). Maybe I find comfort in mocking these ideas. I think you should just respect my beliefs.
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And what I think is believing that oneself has special powers is nonsense, though I wouldn't necessarily group it as believing in magic (some believe, laughably, that such things are physically possible, therefore not magic but simply a 'taming' of the physical world or some such stupidity). Generally accepted obseravtions of the workings of the physical world prove against the existance of such things. But when you deal with notions of the metaphysical, and that which we cannot truly observe. You have to take your ideas of god outside the realm of miracles and incarnations and messiahs, and into the core beliefs of some religions, which deal with acts of the creation of the world/universe.
For example, if one believes that a being--it does necessarily have to be a "god", but can be some kind of force or power--allowed the realm of our existence to come into existence, I would not find that man guilty of having this "Super Hero Complex" you speak of. There is no magic in this scenario. It's as if this 'thing' has pushed a switch of sorts, and subsequently sat back, allowing the universe as we know it to be. Plausible? Perhaps, who knows. The point is, I can prove to you, for example, that people cannot move things with their minds--within a high, high, degree of certaintity. On the same page, I cannot prove to you that some kind of power, for example, jumpstarted the universe.
However, I do see the same amount of nonsense in both miracles/holy works and things like telekinesis.
okay first step Mark, is to exept that you dont know everything, and that no-one does
ready for the next one?
Sorry, haven't been on in a while. I wasn't trying to ignore you or not answer your questions.
Well, you pretty much just said what I originally said, except in a far less exaggerated way, and without claiming to be a fake psychologist. As for the not allowed part, I was speaking specifically about the "Beyond Dreaming" section of this forum. You're not allowed to post there unless you buy into the junk they talk about there (telekenisis and stuff like you mentioned).Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph_Stalin
Okay. I don't know everything and no one does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph_Stalin
Yes, I'm ready.
next step: exept that someone else might know part of the Truth that you dont
Precisely. Wisdom is in objectivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richter
Someone else might know part of the truth that I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
Can we skip the formalities and get straight to your point? Or are you just stalling because you don't actually have one?
its a step-by-step prossess. If I get right to the point you will reject it out of hand
(if you want, we can continy this through PM)
have you exepted my lates point?
Yes, I accept that someone else might know part of the truth that I don't. It's sad that I have to spell this stuff out for you.
eh?
anyhow, next point: admite that there are problims with every theory
[edit] oh, and happy birthday in 8 days :)
There is potentially a problem with every theory, although it is possible that some theories are entirely accurate.
you do, however, exept that there are flaws in all theories?
No.
why?
Why?! Why not? Isn't it possible to have something explained correctly?
very good :)
now, does that mean someone could have all the answers?
Hang on, are you changing what you're saying?
But, yeah, that's possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeper
I know exactly were I am going, but there are twists in the path
just keep watching
so, if this hypothetical person had the answers, what would they be?
or, if we take your other root
so, are there flaws in evolution?
pick one, or more
This hypothetical person would be someone who knows everything.
There may well be flaws in any given theory of evolution.
would theas flaws make the theory untrue?
Not necessarily.
(I'm going to sleep now, so you'll have to wait until tomorrow for more responses.)