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      Midi question

      Hey, I downloaded this program called "Direct MIDI to MP3 converter" and when I play the midi files, they sound much more realistic than they would in winamp. Why is this?
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      MIDI files are not sound files

      they are a list of instructions

      play this note
      play that note
      play these 2 notes at the same time

      there is no sound in a midi file

      The "more realistic" sounding program has better sounding instruments
      so the instruction file, when played using the "more realistic" program, sounds better


      *edit*
      Thought this felt familiar,
      you asked this once before
      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...highlight=midi
      Last edited by Ynot; 12-28-2007 at 01:32 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      MIDI files are not sound files

      they are a list of instructions

      play this note
      play that note
      play these 2 notes at the same time

      there is no sound in a midi file

      The "more realistic" sounding program has better sounding instruments
      so the instruction file, when played using the "more realistic" program, sounds better
      Thanks Ynot, that helped alot... could this be done in winamp using a plugin?
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      yeah, probably
      midi's as old as the hills, most music programs support it in some way or other

      what you need is a nice place to get instrument sound sets from
      then map the instrument sounds to the midi keys, and record the output

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      yeah, probably
      midi's as old as the hills, most music programs support it in some way or other

      what you need is a nice place to get instrument sound sets from
      then map the instrument sounds to the midi keys, and record the output
      well, I have a Yamaha keyboard, with general midi, would that be of some assistance?
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      all that means, is you can connect the keyboard to your machine, play the midi file, and the keyboard would play the file using it's in-built sound sets

      if that's what you want to do
      and you have the means to record the sounds off of the keyboard, then great

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      that would help, but, I'd like to have a Midi device (like Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth) I can download for my computer, that will make the midi "sound better", do you know anything like that I could use?
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      Quote Originally Posted by tekmo View Post
      well, I have a Yamaha keyboard, with general midi, would that be of some assistance?
      Hey tekmo!

      MIDI is hard to grasp when you're new to it. Basically the sound of the MIDI data depends on what program or synthesizer you are using for it, more known as "Controlling" the MIDI data. For example: Your soundcard's synthesizer may play MIDI of a different quality to another's, because of their settings or even simply by the soundcard's age, but this is only speaking of the "General MIDI" instruments, which are default necessities.

      If you connect your keyboard to the computer, and route it to MIDI OUT, the computer MIDI songs will "play" your keyboard. So depending on what voice your keyboard is set to, the MIDI will sound like. This is called "MIDI control". You may not be able to get all tracks playing through your keyboard because it may have limitations. It may sound terrible if you get the MIDI drum track, and play it on your keyboard as "Grand Piano", wouldn't it? Because drum voices are not focused on pitch; every note is a different percussion instrument.

      The MIDI IN means that you can record yourself playing on the computer, or perhaps "play" a program, known as a Virtual Instrument. If you get a good MIDI program, you may be able to use Virtual Instruments instead of the General/Wavetable program which is built into your sound card. They can also control MIDI data without your Yamaha keyboard, as software on its own. Virtual Instruments can be found all over the net, and can emulate any sound you wish.
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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      Hey tekmo!

      MIDI is hard to grasp when you're new to it. Basically the sound of the MIDI data depends on what program or synthesizer you are using for it, more known as "Controlling" the MIDI data. For example: Your soundcard's synthesizer may play MIDI of a different quality to another's, because of their settings or even simply by the soundcard's age, but this is only speaking of the "General MIDI" instruments, which are default necessities.

      If you connect your keyboard to the computer, and route it to MIDI OUT, the computer MIDI songs will "play" your keyboard. So depending on what voice your keyboard is set to, the MIDI will sound like. This is called "MIDI control". You may not be able to get all tracks playing through your keyboard because it may have limitations. It may sound terrible if you get the MIDI drum track, and play it on your keyboard as "Grand Piano", wouldn't it? Because drum voices are not focused on pitch; every note is a different percussion instrument.

      The MIDI IN means that you can record yourself playing on the computer, or perhaps "play" a program, known as a Virtual Instrument. If you get a good MIDI program, you may be able to use Virtual Instruments instead of the General/Wavetable program which is built into your sound card. They can also control MIDI data without your Yamaha keyboard, as software on its own. Virtual Instruments can be found all over the net, and can emulate any sound you wish.
      Very useful information, Thanks, but, that was only a suggestion. All I'm wanting to do, is find out an easy way to make midi sound more enhanced all the time, in any program... that's all
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      Quote Originally Posted by tekmo View Post
      Very useful information, Thanks, but, that was only a suggestion. All I'm wanting to do, is find out an easy way to make midi sound more enhanced all the time, in any program... that's all
      get better virtual instruments (VST's)

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      Quote Originally Posted by tekmo View Post
      Very useful information, Thanks, but, that was only a suggestion. All I'm wanting to do, is find out an easy way to make midi sound more enhanced all the time, in any program... that's all
      If you mean on anybodies computer, or in any application, you have no choice of how good it will sound. This is because it depends on the program in the first place. The sound of MIDI can not be "enhanced" when that will always differ depending on what program or instrument it operates through.

      Think of MIDI as a paint palette. The paint palette (MIDI note data/information) will always be the same but its output quality, as a picture (audio/sound), depends on the quality or brain of the painter (program).

      Having said that, Ynot's right as you simply need a quality program to read the MIDI: Virtual Instruments.

      General MIDI is just there as a default on everyone's computer so everybody can hear it, even if they don't have any VST's. The let down is therefore the actual sound output.

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