Why no Live CD?

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01-31-2009, 02:05 AM
[SomeGuy]

Why no Live CD?

I must have burned five Ubuntu Live CDs, and one Fedora 10 CD, and only two work. However, only one of the two (Ubuntu 8.10) will make it past the "How does you want me to boot it?" screen. the other on gets stuck there and says:
I/O Error. Reboot.

The one that will make it past that screen (Ubuntu 7.10) loads all the way up to the desktop and can run stuff. I tried the installer, and the one time I got it far enough to start it made it to 63% and then said some error, and quit the installer, leaving half of an OS on my disk. The second time I did, it froze somewhere around 15% [Detecting File System].

So, I'm trying the re-install again on the 7.10 CD right now (I'm on another computer). I will update here on my status.

But, the main problem here is that the other four Ubuntu CDs wont load on the computer (I just get a message from BIOS stating that there is no operating system). None of them are scratched, and the files should be fine. Whilst I was downloading the ISO, Opera crashed and stoped the transfer. But, I think the files were okay, because when I downloaded the Fedora ISO, it was uninterrupted, and the CD didn't work.

I'm running a 2003 Sony VAIO laptop. Oh, and I don't get the internet from my card on Linux. My card is a:

Linksys Wireless-G
Notebook Adapter
Model No.: WPC54G

So as a summary:
1. Why won't my CDs work?
2. Are there drivers for this kind of card?

Calling all Ynots in the vicinity!!!
01-31-2009, 02:29 AM
Ynot

1)
chances are you have a corrupted ISO CD image

When booting the LiveCD, use the "Check this CD for defects" option, and see if it's ok - but I recommend re-downloading it anyway

Also, try burning the CD at a lower speed
Cheap CD-R's do not play well when burned at high speeds - drop down to 4x
also, if the CD-R's have been improperly stored (like next to a radiator or something) this can severely affect them
optical media is extrememly fragile, especially recordable ones
If all else fails, get some different discs

2)
As for the wireless, that's easy
I'm 99% sure that your wireless card is natively supported (just from googling the model number you gave)
however, you will need to get the right drivers for it
The drivers are probably not built-in to Linux
it's a broadcom card, and they, like Nvidia, haven't opensourced their drivers, so they're not built-in to Linux - you will need their proprietary drivers

You will need to connect via wired ethernet
then goto System > Admin > Hardware Drivers
at which point you can download the restricted driver for your wireless, and install them
01-31-2009, 03:13 AM
[SomeGuy]

1) Well, I would do the check, but the problem is that the CD won't even load. I turn it on, it says Sony, goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor, and says "Operating System not found." And the ISO can't be corrupted, considering I just downloaded Fedora. Maybe the burning program I am using isn't comaptible with my Vaio? It's Roxio CD creator. I'll try powerISO instead. I have but one CD left...lol.

2) Alright, thank the nonexistent Lord that Xbox 360 came with an ethernet cable...:P

Thanks for the help man. Oh, and do you recommend Ubuntu or Fedora?

EDIT: It froze at 15% again.
01-31-2009, 03:24 AM
Ynot

hang on
I'm slightly confused

You say you can't get to the LiveCD menu?

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

I turn it on, it says Sony, goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor, and says "Operating System not found."

But then you say

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

EDIT: It froze at 15% again.

If you can't even boot the LiveCD, then what exactly is freezing at 15% ??
01-31-2009, 03:29 AM
ninja9578

When you finish burning the disc, verify it. That will let you know if the disc itself is corrupt, then if that works, try mounting it from the disc without booting. If it doesn't mount, then it's corrupt.
01-31-2009, 03:59 AM
Ynot

Re: Ubuntu or Fedora

both are top-notch distros
both are cutting-edge (Fedora slightly more so)

personally, I prefer Debian based distros (I'm more comfortable with them - I know where things are, and I prefer Apt over RPM as a package manager) - but this is me personally

Try them both, they've both got pros & cons

Ubuntu

Debian based
Debian do a lot of things "right" in my books
this is carried over into Ubuntu

Large user base
simple google searches always pull up Ubuntu geared solutions to any problems

Polish, and finishing touches
Canonical do a great job of smoothing certain rough corners
As above, their hardware drivers system, called Jockey, is a prime example - nice GUI interface for installing out-of-kernel drivers

Fedora

Fedora is RedHat's test-bed for future RHEL releases
this is both a pro and a con

RedHat is responsible for a large (large) proportion of Linux advances and new technology (RedHat is responsible for something like 25-30% of all Linux development)

More enterprise orientated than desktop
(due to RHEL being an enterprise distro, a lot of the new stuff is enterprise related - may not be all that useful for desktop users)
01-31-2009, 04:03 AM
[SomeGuy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ynot

hang on
I'm slightly confused

You say you can't get to the LiveCD menu?

I can't get there on the fresh CDs.

But then you say

If you can't even boot the LiveCD, then what exactly is freezing at 15% ??
That's the one that sort of works.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja9578

When you finish burning the disc, verify it. That will let you know if the disc itself is corrupt, then if that works, try mounting it from the disc without booting. If it doesn't mount, then it's corrupt.
I'm burning it from a different computer. Currently there is no operating system at all on my laptop.

Just to clear things up:
CD1: Runs Ubuntu 8.10, Does not get past LiveCD Menu. (File I/O error) The CD is red.
CD2: Runs Ubuntu 7.10, CD is a 700 MB Maxell, Gets into GNOME, won't finish installer.
CD3: Runs Fedora 10, CD is White, 700 MB, Can't be corrupted, it's a fresh download from the Fedora Site.
CD3-6: Do not load at all, but should work. Maybe the ISO is corrupted?

Windows CD: Who gives a shit. But, my sources are getting me an official Windows CD to install so i have SOMETHING. Is there a way to install Linux from within Windows? The CD will come Monday (US East Coast Time).
01-31-2009, 04:10 AM
Ynot

well, burn the ISO at a lower speed
(sounds like it's not writing properly)
01-31-2009, 03:33 PM
[SomeGuy]

All right then. It's also peculiar that all of the broken CDs were written with that one program...I'll try PowerISO at a low speed, and post results.
01-31-2009, 04:16 PM
ninja9578

Verify and mount the CD before trying to boot from it.

I have not doubt that the iso's that you've got are not corrupt. It sounds to me like your CD-RW (the hardware) is malfunctioning.
02-03-2009, 12:20 AM
[SomeGuy]

Alright, I guess the CD Image was corrupted. I got PowerISO, redownloaded Ubuntu 8.10 i386, set the burning program to 4x (lowest speed) and told it to verify. It is currently installing. WOO!

But, I decided on Fedora 10 as my goal. I just need to know if it will work on my computer. I'm not about to shut it off now, in the final moments of installation. Fedora states that it is i686...not really sure what that means. I have an Intel Pentium 4 proccesor. Should it work?
02-03-2009, 12:38 AM
Ynot

yep it'll work, no probs
02-03-2009, 01:10 AM
[SomeGuy]

Alright, sweet! I got Ubuntu installed, and I'm waiting for Fedora to load. Thanks Ynot for all the help.
02-03-2009, 12:54 PM
[SomeGuy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ynot

1)
2)
As for the wireless, that's easy
I'm 99% sure that your wireless card is natively supported (just from googling the model number you gave)
however, you will need to get the right drivers for it
The drivers are probably not built-in to Linux
it's a broadcom card, and they, like Nvidia, haven't opensourced their drivers, so they're not built-in to Linux - you will need their proprietary drivers

You will need to connect via wired ethernet
then goto System > Admin > Hardware Drivers
at which point you can download the restricted driver for your wireless, and install them

So, I don't have an ethernet port, but I have a long telephone wire, a telephone jack, and a telephone port. Do I need to pay to get the internet out of that? (I have teh Optimum Online)
02-03-2009, 02:52 PM
Ynot

could you post the output of:

Code:

lspci

&

Code:

ifconfig

make sure you put them in [code][/code] tags
02-05-2009, 04:07 AM
[SomeGuy]

I can't right now. I'll get it as soon as I can though.
02-08-2009, 01:34 AM
[SomeGuy]

Code:

$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI Bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 42) 00:1f.0 ISA Bridge: Intel Corporation 82801CAM ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) 00:1f.1 IDE Interface: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM SMBus Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY 02:05.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c475 (rev b8) 02:05.1 Firewire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C551 IEEE 1394 Controller 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 42) 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.12b/g Wireless LAN

ifconfig

Code:

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:46:9a:18:b0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Tx bytes:0 (0.0 B) lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:292 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:292 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:18960 (18.9 KB) TX bytes:18960 (18.9 KB)

There ya' go, buddy. You using it to find a driver, or are you programming one?
02-08-2009, 02:41 AM
Ynot

I thought so,
you do have Ethernet

First entry is your ethernet port
Second is your wireless

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

Code:

02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 42) 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.12b/g Wireless LAN

(It'd be pretty stupid for a laptop not to have wired ethernet when it's wireless is provided by a manufacturer that doesn't release it's wireless driver's code - you would have no way to download your proprietary wireless drivers....)

And your ethernet is all setup and waiting to be used

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

Code:

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:46:9a:18:b0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Tx bytes:0 (0.0 B)

That "Phone socket" you mentioned is not a phone socket
but your ethernet port

As before,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ynot

You will need to connect via wired ethernet
then goto System > Admin > Hardware Drivers
at which point you can download the restricted driver for your wireless, and install them
02-08-2009, 02:53 AM
[SomeGuy]

Would I have to pay to hook it up? And what do i do, sick my phone cable into the wall and into my computer, and go to System > Admin > Hardware Drivers, or do I have to set something up and pay for the Dial-Up?
02-08-2009, 02:58 AM
Ynot

No,
it's a wired ethernet port

- plug your laptop into your router using a network cable
- goto System > Admin > Hardware drivers
- Ubuntu will offer you drivers to download for your wireless
- download them
- bingo, wireless working

no dial-up
no nothing

just connect via wired ethernet

sorry.... I wouldn't mind, but the "solutions" to both "problems" are right there in post #2
instead, we've fanny'ed about for over a week

you need to download drivers for your wireless card

It is not a phone socket
forget phone cable
you need a CAT-5 networking cable
02-08-2009, 03:02 AM
[SomeGuy]

Lol, sorry man. I suck with hardware. I'm a software guy. Thank you for all your help though. I'll get right on that.

Edit: Yo, I did hook it up, and everything's working fine (I'm posting from my linux machine) but, when I ran Hardware Drivers it said that there are "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system".
02-08-2009, 03:45 AM
Ynot

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

"no proprietary drivers are in use on this system".

well, we know this
there are no proprietary drivers in use on your system

We need to enable the proprietary drivers for your wireless

Still connected via wired ethernet,
run the update-manager (System > Admin > Update Manager)

install any updates (click the "check for updates" button)

goto System > Admin > Hardware drivers

install the B43 proprietary wireless driver
02-08-2009, 04:07 AM
Ynot

Ps.

Interestingly, the output you posted from lspci doesn't show a firmware version for your wireless card
So, you may need to update the firmware on the card

Try installing this if needed
http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/intre...fuego1_all.deb
02-08-2009, 04:51 AM
[SomeGuy]

Alright. I found like...42 updates on the Update Manager so that might be it. I'll do it tomarrow, it's pretty late over here.

Edit:
Awwww yeah! IT WORKS! I finally have it up and running without an Ethernet cable. I can't begin to thank you enough.
02-08-2009, 09:12 PM
Ynot

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

Awwww yeah! IT WORKS! I finally have it up and running without an Ethernet cable. I can't begin to thank you enough.

no probs :)
02-09-2009, 01:25 AM
ninja9578

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXSomeGuyXx

Alright. I found like...42 updates on the Update Manager so that might be it. I'll do it tomarrow, it's pretty late over here.

Run that thing often, there are usually updates everyday.
02-09-2009, 03:39 AM
[SomeGuy]

Okay. It found 245 updates O.o
02-09-2009, 03:45 AM
Ynot

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Run that thing often, there are usually updates everyday.

only if you have the backports on - most users don't (and shouldn't)

default setup, it's more like once a week

Also, updates are checked once a day automatically, anyway
If there's any updates, an icon pops up in the notification area
02-09-2009, 06:24 AM
[SomeGuy]

Yo, whenever I start Firefox, it tell me to restart it because there was an update, but I already did that. I don't get it, but it doesn't bother me much.
02-10-2009, 12:02 AM
Ynot

never encountered this before,
but seems there's a minor bug in ubuntu, where the firefox "needs restarting" flag gets stuck

try this
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...303/comments/3