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      Windows 7 Public Release

      Just in case anyone wanted to try it out. They just made the almost completed version of 7 available to the public for free until 2010.

      http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win.../download.aspx

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      I've seen it. Much much more stable than Vista, but it still has all those Windows problems. My prediction is a corporate flop, although personal users will still use it because they don't know what a registry is.

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      Just a heads up,
      most Anti-Virus programs won't work on Windows 7
      a good number have Win 7 support in beta, but no final products as yet

      That being said, I'd advice against native installs
      use a virtual machine instead
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      Or parallel/dual boot from a OS with a format that Windows can't read. I assume Windows 7 still can't read ext* or OSX journaled?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I've seen it. Much much more stable than Vista was years ago.
      Fixed.

      I've used W7, and pretty much welcome to Vista SP1/SP2. I'm sorry for MS that it took a re-skinned Vista for many to realize that.

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      Huh? I've already been using it for like a month.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      Just a heads up,
      most Anti-Virus programs won't work on Windows 7
      a good number have Win 7 support in beta, but no final products as yet

      That being said, I'd advice against native installs
      use a virtual machine instead
      The latest NOD32 works in 7, which is what I use. Any that work in Vista should either work in 7, or have 7 version out quick, as they kept almost perfect Vista compatibility.
      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I've seen it. Much much more stable than Vista, but it still has all those Windows problems. My prediction is a corporate flop, although personal users will still use it because they don't know what a registry is.
      I don't know what you're talking about, Vista is perfectly stable. Also, I'm tired of your shit about how registry is apparently making Windows fail hard, and how it's making PCs last only 2 years. Registry isn't much different from the way GNU/Linux stores things, the files are just protected from normal users. It's basically an idiot-proof version of GNU/Linux's information. The real reason Windows used to be unstable is because of DLL dependancy, because multiple things use the same copy of one DLL. The only way to fuck up your registry is to try to, and it's not like a virus on GNU/Linux would have trouble deleting the files, the same way a virus can corrupt registry entries.

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      I'm not as knowledgeable about computer software as some may be here, but from my personal experience if you don't try to screw with anything big Vista runs fine. I'm currently typing from a system that has an almost two year old copy of Vista (with customized skins and sounds and a load of programs installed), current uptime is close to 300 hours, and it's running perfectly fine.

      Linux on the other hand, crashes like every hour for me whenever I try to use it. I think if you know enough and spend enough time with Linux, it's probably better in terms of customization and showing off nifty gadgets. But for the average user on the average day, the compatibility and ease of use Windows offers is more important.

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      That what I think aswell, Umbrasquall. My system is perfectly stable aswell. A program might crash or freeze every now and then (rare), but it's not like I get 5 blue screens of death a day.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Demon Parasite View Post
      The latest NOD32 works in 7, which is what I use. Any that work in Vista should either work in 7, or have 7 version out quick, as they kept almost perfect Vista compatibility.

      I don't know what you're talking about, Vista is perfectly stable. Also, I'm tired of your shit about how registry is apparently making Windows fail hard, and how it's making PCs last only 2 years. Registry isn't much different from the way GNU/Linux stores things, the files are just protected from normal users. It's basically an idiot-proof version of GNU/Linux's information. The real reason Windows used to be unstable is because of DLL dependancy, because multiple things use the same copy of one DLL. The only way to fuck up your registry is to try to, and it's not like a virus on GNU/Linux would have trouble deleting the files, the same way a virus can corrupt registry entries.
      It's not that Windows registry gets corrupted, it's that Windows doesn't remove things from it... EVER. It gets cluttered and fragmented, so Windows slows the fuck down. *Nix store things in pconfig files, they get removed, loaded, and added when needed and since they are files on a *Nix system, they never ever get fragmented.

      DLLs suck, everyone who knows anything about software knows that. They aren't the reason for Windows instability. They make the individual programs crash, but Windows hiccups due to it's registry, and it's memory management.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      It's not that Windows registry gets corrupted, it's that Windows doesn't remove things from it... EVER. It gets cluttered and fragmented, so Windows slows the fuck down. *Nix store things in pconfig files, they get removed, loaded, and added when needed and since they are files on a *Nix system, they never ever get fragmented.

      DLLs suck, everyone who knows anything about software knows that. They aren't the reason for Windows instability. They make the individual programs crash, but Windows hiccups due to it's registry, and it's memory management.
      Things get deleted every time you uninstall a program. Also, why does "cluttered registry" even matter? It doesn't slow down your PC or take up any extra hard drive space. You can even run something like CCleaner every few months if you're that OCD about your registry.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Demon Parasite View Post
      Things get deleted every time you uninstall a program. Also, why does "cluttered registry" even matter? It doesn't slow down your PC or take up any extra hard drive space. You can even run something like CCleaner every few months if you're that OCD about your registry.
      Even though you may not have noticed, thousands of queries are made to your registry every time you just click. If you have a large registry, programs have to look through a hell lot of queries to find the key they're looking for, and the tree structure of the registry only relieves this problem slightly.
      Following, I think it's clear that you don't look at your registry. If you do, you'll see that there are many unneeded keys, which can be removed easily. I run a cleaning program every week, and almost always, it fixes more than 100 entries.
      Last, even if you run a cleaning program, it will never be able to clean all of the mess. It's just physically impossible.
      Ninja is right, it is better to have configuration files, which can be removed along with the program folder
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      Quote Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom View Post
      Even though you may not have noticed, thousands of queries are made to your registry every time you just click. If you have a large registry, programs have to look through a hell lot of queries to find the key they're looking for, and the tree structure of the registry only relieves this problem slightly.
      Following, I think it's clear that you don't look at your registry. If you do, you'll see that there are many unneeded keys, which can be removed easily. I run a cleaning program every week, and almost always, it fixes more than 100 entries.
      Last, even if you run a cleaning program, it will never be able to clean all of the mess. It's just physically impossible.
      Ninja is right, it is better to have configuration files, which can be removed along with the program folder
      I know registry is accessed often, but cleaning it does not give you a noticeable speed increase on your computer. It probably hasn't since Windows 98.

      Honestly, the only thing you Mac fanboys can do is throw around your little buzzwords like "cluttered registry", and "unstable".

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      "Your PC will automatically and anonymously send our engineers the information they need to verify the fixes and changes they made based on the Windows 7 Beta tests."

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      the thing that annoys me, is the windows registry makes programs non-portable between installs

      In other (sane ) OS's, an application will create a hidden directory in your home folder (or /etc/ for system wide apps) that stores all it's config info
      back up this config directory, and you have all your settings saved

      you just can't do this with windows
      you have to arse around with disk imaging and all sorts of shit
      and suddenly 100Kb of config settings (the stuff you want) turns into 10Gb of disk image.....

      It's impossible to backup & restore an application (preferences, settings & all) in a single command
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      Quote Originally Posted by dsr View Post
      "Your PC will automatically and anonymously send our engineers the information they need to verify the fixes and changes they made based on the Windows 7 Beta tests."
      did you read the bit about the auto shutdowns every 2 hours past a certain date?
      bets on that getting tripped by accident
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      Quote Originally Posted by Demon Parasite View Post
      I know registry is accessed often, but cleaning it does not give you a noticeable speed increase on your computer. It probably hasn't since Windows 98.

      Honestly, the only thing you Mac fanboys can do is throw around your little buzzwords like "cluttered registry", and "unstable".
      I don't like you.

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      No, I didn't. I'm betting you're right. First MS makes the mistake of granting backward compatibility to XP users, giving companies no incentive for developing Windows 7 software. Next MS gives transparency a whole new meaning by having the OS use your network behind your back, without you even noticing. Then there's the auto-shutdowns. I wonder what's next...

      Edit: This post was addressed to Ynot. I also agree with [SomeGuy]. Demon Parasite, if you have specific criticisms of Mac OS X or of Apple hardware (the two are completely separate issues), feel free to post them, but please stop making argument-less posts that might be read as almost some kind of irrational hatred toward anything with an Apple logo on it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dsr View Post
      No, I didn't. I'm betting you're right. First MS makes the mistake of granting backward compatibility to XP users, giving companies no incentive for developing Windows 7 software. Next MS gives transparency a whole new meaning by having the OS use your network behind your back, without you even noticing. Then there's the auto-shutdowns. I wonder what's next...

      Edit: This post was addressed to Ynot. I also agree with [SomeGuy]. Demon Parasite, if you have specific criticisms of Mac OS X or of Apple hardware (the two are completely separate issues), feel free to post them, but please stop making argument-less posts that might be read as almost some kind of irrational hatred toward anything with an Apple logo on it.
      Perhaps it's permanent monitoring from Microsoft, using Remote Desktop?

      Also, I agree with Dsr on the second point. I've yet to hear a good argument against a mac. All you've really said, is that it's shit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Demon Parasite View Post
      Things get deleted every time you uninstall a program. Also, why does "cluttered registry" even matter? It doesn't slow down your PC or take up any extra hard drive space. You can even run something like CCleaner every few months if you're that OCD about your registry.
      No, it doesn't. Uninstalling a program may take out the extension registers and a few other things, but the bulk of the registry entries are still there. Uninstall Firefox, then do a registry search for Firefox, you will come up with many many entries. That's not nearly as big of a problem though as certain other things. Sometimes files create registry entries for some reason or another (icon changes, Open With... preferences) those never get deleted.

      It's a problem because the registry has no order, ergo finding something in it is a linear search. O(n)

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      Going to try installing this at the weekend

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      Been using windows 7 RC for the last 3 days now. It didn't have a partition resize option during the installation, so I booted into Gparted and attempted a resize (I know, a very bad idea with NTFS). Anyhoo..... kaboom.

      Booted the Windows 7 disk and deleted the partition and set a large and smaller one for windows 7 (30GB) and did the install.

      Booted it up, it detected all my hardware. I still went to nvidia to get the latest windows 7 64-bit drivers for it. Have played WOW and TF2 on it, which i seemed to have gained some FPS in TF2. Possibly due to running a 64-bit OS?

      Anyway, I like the setup, the effects are pretty and it's fast so far. No complaints. Don't know if it's worth paying for the upgrade over TinyXP though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rakjavik View Post
      Been using windows 7 RC for the last 3 days now. It didn't have a partition resize option during the installation, so I booted into Gparted and attempted a resize (I know, a very bad idea with NTFS).
      I've read this in a few reviews
      There's no way to partition drives for dual booting
      (and, like you, reviewers have resorted to using a Linux LiveCD to partition their disks)

      Seems like a silly omission to make

      Btw, there's nothing "bad" about resizing NTFS partitions
      just make sure it's defragged before doing so
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