On June 15th', Opera will "reinvent" the web.

[Keresztanya]

http://www.opera.com/freedom/ It's particularly odd that they would choose the page name "freedom", considering Opera is proprietary software. There is also a cloud with a lightning bolt, and some comments in the source code. <!-- We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer. Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things. But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers ... --> Yesterday, it said We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer. Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to... It looks like they're going to reveal a little bit more each day. What are your thoughts? I think they are going to release Opera as FOSS, and possibly the Opera 10 final release, but I doubt the second part.

[Black_Eagle]

This sounds a lot like a viral marketing campaign to me. It's going to have to be good to make me switch from firefox.

[Keresztanya]

This sounds a lot like a viral marketing campaign to me. It's going to have to be good to make me switch from firefox. Opera never really does much viral marketing, if anything, Firefox fanboys are the ones doing viral marketing. It's either open sourcing, which is unlikely due to the fact that they profit off of Opera Mini/Mobile and the Wii/DS browsers, or it has to do with cloud computing. Ironically, cloud computing is the opposite of freedom, which makes their choice in a web page name confusing again.

[Ynot]

Ironically, cloud computing is the opposite of freedom, which makes their choice in a web page name confusing again. Really? maybe you should lookup the AGPL

[Keresztanya]

Really? maybe you should lookup the AGPL Cloud computing means that you are trusting a server with all your data. You're also dependent on the server for everything, so if there is a problem with the server, whatever you're doing is lost. And, there's nothing that says someone over the server is reading through your data, you don't know what they can tell and what they can't. The owner of the server you're using can also restrict what you do with the application, or deny you the ability to use it. Cloud computing doesn't seem very free to me.

[Ynot]

Cloud computing means that you are trusting a server with all your data. You're also dependent on the server for everything, so if there is a problem with the server, whatever you're doing is lost. And, there's nothing that says someone over the server is reading through your data, you don't know what they can tell and what they can't. The owner of the server you're using can also restrict what you do with the application, or deny you the ability to use it. What you just described is exactly how email works (or any other hosted service) Cloud computing is the latest buzz word but it's been used (using different terminology - namely "client / server") since the very inception of the internet It's not new

[Keresztanya]

What you just described is exactly how email works (or any other hosted service) Cloud computing is the latest buzz word but it's been used (using different terminology - namely "client / server") since the very inception of the internet It's not new Yes, that's fine on a mail client, but it's not exactly "free" to depend on a server for your entire web browser, assuming that's what they're doing. I just don't think the idea of cloud computing for everything you do on your browser is a good idea.

[Ynot]

It's free as long as certain conditions are met - you can freely import / export information in & out of the service (no lock-in, or data being held hostage) - you can gain access to the server-side software, so you can run your own local server if you so wish Hosted services (or cloud computing, if you like) are a convenience to most people they want the service, and are willing to pay others to provide that service most people don't want to setup their own email server most are happy to allow a 3rd party to host their email substitute "email" with "website", or "file storage" or whatever But the new breed of hosted services aren't really aimed at consumers It's aimed at businesses, and takes advantage of virtual servers Take Amazon's EC2 servers, for one (or Eucalyptus, as seen on the newer Ubuntu server installs) You rent server capacity You pay for what you use demand goes up, capacity goes up, price goes up demand goes down, capacity goes down, price goes down Free as in freedom You're free to pay a 3rd party to do all the donkey work for you You're free to do it all yourself Your choice

[Keresztanya]

It's free as long as certain conditions are met - you can freely import / export information in & out of the service (no lock-in, or data being held hostage) - you can gain access to the server-side software, so you can run your own local server if you so wish Hosted services (or cloud computing, if you like) are a convenience to most people they want the service, and are willing to pay others to provide that service most people don't want to setup their own email server most are happy to allow a 3rd party to host their email substitute "email" with "website", or "file storage" or whatever But the new breed of hosted services aren't really aimed at consumers It's aimed at businesses, and takes advantage of virtual servers Take Amazon's EC2 servers, for one (or Eucalyptus, as seen on the newer Ubuntu server installs) You rent server capacity You pay for what you use demand goes up, capacity goes up, price goes up demand goes down, capacity goes down, price goes down Free as in freedom You're free to pay a 3rd party to do all the donkey work for you You're free to do it all yourself Your choice It seems as though they are trying to change the standard to cloud computing through your web browser. As in their servers render the page and then send it to you, similar to how Opera Turbo functions, in that it will make things somewhat faster. Anyway, I don't think the cloud has to represent cloud computing, the cloud and lightning bolt can also mean a brainstorm, or a new idea.

[Tyler]

Where does it say all that? I just see " 15 years of browser innovation On June 16th at 9:00 a.m (CEDT), we will reinvent the Web."

[guitarboy]

I don't believe them, what exactly are they 'reinventing'?

[ninja9578]

All major players in the web industry have been pushing cloud computing. JS is slow, server-side programs written in C, Delphi, and assembly are fast as hell. I hope they got something sleek up their sleeves, Apple just released Safari 4 which runs circles around Chrome 2 and Firefox 3. Google is gearing up for their next release of Chrome which should run as fast or faster than Safari.

[guitarboy]

I love Safari 4, but I like Firefox's skins, and I use Opera for toe rents.

[ninja9578]

You're a girl?

[Keresztanya]

Where does it say all that? I just see " 15 years of browser innovation On June 16th at 9:00 a.m (CEDT), we will reinvent the Web." Check the source code, it's in comments at the bottom. I don't believe them, what exactly are they 'reinventing'? Supposedly a new standard of web browsing. All major players in the web industry have been pushing cloud computing. JS is slow, server-side programs written in C, Delphi, and assembly are fast as hell. I hope they got something sleek up their sleeves, Apple just released Safari 4 which runs circles around Chrome 2 and Firefox 3. Google is gearing up for their next release of Chrome which should run as fast or faster than Safari. Safari 4 is great on OS X, but it seems to be only decent on Linux and Windows. I prefer Opera to the other browsers.

[ninja9578]

Supposedly a new standard of web browsing. Uh... but they're not in control of web standards. The IETF is.

[Keresztanya]

Uh... but they're not in control of web standards. The IETF is. Not web standards, they're trying to create a new function of a web browser that should set a standard.

[khh]

Oh... Interesting. I've always had a soft spot for Opera. But it could hardly be something like Turbo or Cloud Computering... That's hardly revolutionizing. I can't think of anything that is, though.

[ninja9578]

The only thing that I could think of would be something like a hardware accelerated rendering engine. Webkit does a little bit of hardware acceleration, but not to the extent that it should.

[Keresztanya]

Oh... Interesting. I've always had a soft spot for Opera. But it could hardly be something like Turbo or Cloud Computering... That's hardly revolutionizing. I can't think of anything that is, though. Turbo is useless to people with broadband, but it's a godsend to people without it. The only thing that I could think of would be something like a hardware accelerated rendering engine. Webkit does a little bit of hardware acceleration, but not to the extent that it should. I'm thinking they might just bring Opera 10 out of beta.

[khh]

Turbo is useless to people with broadband, but it's a godsend to people without it. Yes, but it's still just simple compression. And besides, that has been launched already in the alpha and beta, so :p I'm thinking they might just bring Opera 10 out of beta. That'd just be boring >.<

[guitarboy]

You're a girl? Maybe

[Keresztanya]

Yes, but it's still just simple compression. And besides, that has been launched already in the alpha and beta, so :p That'd just be boring >.< Yeah, I know it's already out, I was just saying it was a pretty good idea for them to do it. Yeah, I know it'd be boring, which is why I don't completely think it's that.

[starry eyes]

I used to think Opera was a nice browser, until our firewall caught it trying to send all my private files to a p2p network in northern europe. And that was definitely nothing I had set in the options, nothing I told it to do. I consider the entire opera browser a security leak. And that's probably the real reason why their code is a secret.

[Keresztanya]

I used to think Opera was a nice browser, until our firewall caught it trying to send all my private files to a p2p network in northern europe. And that was definitely nothing I had set in the options, nothing I told it to do. I consider the entire opera browser a security leak. And that's probably the real reason why their code is a secret. What files was it telling you to do? I ran it through a firewall for a year and it only asked to gain access to the internet once...