Fall asleep too easily while WILDing.

alright I'm going to post in this thread because i really don't want to make a new one. A little update. I think my problem was i was falling asleep to early in my SP for a successful WILD. I just tried to WILD again, and this time i did hear a LOUD snoring sound (not coming from me) but i got to excited and the SP wore off. For conformation that it wasn't me, i asked my roommate who was in the room when i was trying this if he heard me snore and said i wasn't! I've heard this loud snoring a couple times before, when i didn't know about lucid dreaming and i was just trying to get to sleep and i thought it was myself. Apperently my SP is a sneaky bastard and my brain likes to play tricks on me! >:O

Well now i know. going to try again tonight! =D

Super! You're getting somewhere. Was the feeling comparable to dunking your head into a tub of icy cold water? If so, that was the transition.

i couldn't tell. it seemed like as soon as it started it stopped. i can't maintain it! any advice there?

The only advice I can give you, is to do your best to give in to the sound, mentally tell yourself "I don't care, what happens.. happens.". It's the only way I was ever able to attain lucidity. I've only experienced the sounds twice and it was all in one go - I reached transition but was overwhelmed by it. I was still in sleep paralysis so I tried once more. You won't always be greeted by a loud noise when you transition though I'm not very sure about how true that statement is... I may have to ask around and perhaps do some of my own research.

I haven't asked enough about it so I myself don't have much advice for you.

in my own experience , excitation makes those vibrations go off , and indifference makes the normal process (it's a normal process that goes on every night, with the difference u are aware of it when u do WILD) go on . It's difficult not to go excited because we usually make that kind of feelings like SP , vibrations or hypnagogic as a ''goal'' or a sign to lucid dreaming, and that makes us to get excited , so the solution is to know that's a sign that we're doing things well , but also to know that our excitement about that will make those vibrations or whatever to go off .

Heck, I think I need to take coffee out of my diet. I've been unable to attain sleep paralysis for too long.

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Originally Posted by Duffles22

alright I'm going to post in this thread because i really don't want to make a new one. A little update. I think my problem was i was falling asleep to early in my SP for a successful WILD. I just tried to WILD again, and this time i did hear a LOUD snoring sound (not coming from me) but i got to excited and the SP wore off. For conformation that it wasn't me, i asked my roommate who was in the room when i was trying this if he heard me snore and said i wasn't! I've heard this loud snoring a couple times before, when i didn't know about lucid dreaming and i was just trying to get to sleep and i thought it was myself. Apperently my SP is a sneaky bastard and my brain likes to play tricks on me! >:O

Well now i know. going to try again tonight! =D

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Nice job. :D

A big part of mastering WILD is getting to know your body's own personal cues. Next time you hear loud snoring noises, you'll know to keep relaxing and you might want to try visualizing a scene or your hand in front of your face or something.

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Originally Posted by Naiya

Nice job. :D

A big part of mastering WILD is getting to know your body's own personal cues. Next time you hear loud snoring noises, you'll know to keep relaxing and you might want to try visualizing a scene or your hand in front of your face or something.

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The big problem I'm having now is whenever i do hear loud snoring noises i snap out of it. It's hard to explain but usually whenever i hear loud noises from SP I'm already seeing images and my mind has already made a plot for it (just like in a dream) so whenever i do recognize these noises I'm already so wrapped up with this dream that i basically wake up and the noises stop and the SP gets less intense.
Every time i try a WILD this happens. I'm kind of stuck. any advice there?

Have you tried mentally preparing yourself for the sounds in your spare time?

Here's something I dug up from an older thread of mine:

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Originally Posted by Raphael

Just relax, and realize that you're perfectly safe. If you start to freak out then your chances of getting through it are pretty slim. I don't know if that's the problem you have though.

Basically I treat it like some more HI, and at the point of SP I start to visualize a dream scape so that I can VILD.

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And another (not quite what you're looking for though):

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Originally Posted by Hyu

During my first WILD attempts I thought that I had to visualize a dreamscape in order to transition into a dream.
I tried to do this rather forcefully as soon as I thought my body was fully paralyzed, which was too soon as I found out later.

Then I tried to do it without visualizations at all, just letting the HI form into a dream, which resulted in my first successful WILDS.
I noticed that during my first attempts, where I tried to visualize, I was nowhere near full SP, which I assume is why it didn't work.

After feeling paralyzed, there are more stages where I gradually loose the sensation of gravity and finally, of having a body at all.
I also feel extremely lightheaded at this stage. (this is where I start trying to visualize)

Keep in mind that these are my own experiences though, and SP is somewhat different for everyone.

As for "scary sensations", I sometimes get some sort of a feeling of uneasiness.
I visualize a very peaceful and calm scene if this happens, usually a beach at dawn.

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Any new updates on how you are doing with your WILDs?

Well i tried to WILD during a WBTB last night and i entered into almost full SP in a minute or two (hearing the sound of water being poured) but then i spent the next hour and a half in that state. Although i did feel a slight vibrating feeling a couple times but each time it came it only lasted around 5 seconds. After a while the sound stopped and i had my arm up over my head and it was KILLING ME! so i gave up. I've never felt the vibrating feeling before and I've heard from other more successful WILDers that its a good thing so i guess another step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Duffles22

The big problem I'm having now is whenever i do hear loud snoring noises i snap out of it. It's hard to explain but usually whenever i hear loud noises from SP I'm already seeing images and my mind has already made a plot for it (just like in a dream) so whenever i do recognize these noises I'm already so wrapped up with this dream that i basically wake up and the noises stop and the SP gets less intense.
Every time i try a WILD this happens. I'm kind of stuck. any advice there?

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Hmm. Sometimes a random loud noise will happen and it can startle you. There's really not much you can do about that. As for the noises in general, you might try practicing some relaxation or meditation exercises outside of WILD attempts....that way it'll be easier for you to keep your cool and maintain your relaxation state when you do see and hear things. Meditation will also help you strengthen your focusing skills so your mind doesn't lose lucidity in the middle of the WILD.

Hi Duffles22,

any update as to how your lucid dreaming attempts are doing?

Hello duffles22, have there been any improvements concerning your WILDs? I've been meditating a lot lately, but am quite out of practice with WILDing. I am now having a similar problem to what you have described in this thread.

Cheers, hope all is well

Still struggling a bit. I been trying WBTBs with my WILD but I'm having the same problem. Seems like whenever I try to WILD I usually just accidentally fall asleep into a non-lucid dream.
Although I seem to be better at WILD during naps. I guess I'm way to sleepy during the night. I've gotten to SP but as soon as it kicks in my body tenses up and my heart starts racing. Grrrrrr!

Hi Duffles22,

I'm glad to hear that you're still at it. You could try this: Once you're in SP, start to imagine you head or (upper-body) floating downwards while "looking through" the back of your eyelids.*

One question before I go, how are you getting to SP? I'm struggling here.*

I've been doing too much meditation and too little WILDing. Recently, I combined the two together and now I fall asleep in 5 minutes - too easily in my opinion...

I found another technique that is like mine except the explanation is way better than mine, (there are a few differences though, ie. I focus on exhaling), so here it is: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=42110

A lot of the time when I try to WILD I try to not think to much. If you think about getting to SP or getting to successfully WILD you'll prevent yourself from doing it. Last night I woke up around 5 am and I was just trying to go back to sleep and maybe 2 minutes of just closing my eyes I realized that I was in SP, but when I realized I was that far my heart rate increased and I snapped out of it.

When I am trying to WILD I usually try to let myself daydream but not to get so wrapped up in it that the daydream I'm trying to passively observe doesn't turn into a non-lucid dream before I get past SP.

It's harder than it sounds. =D

Thank you for replying so soon! :)

It is indeed harder than it sounds which is why I want to conquer the WILD - hehe.. Get it? WILD/world? Nevermind :P. I no longer know what Im supposed to do before SP. I think the reason I started to meditate, I was hoping it would solve my problems and to a point, it did. I'm now able to get to feel "comfortably numb" :P. I certainly am getting closer to SP and am able to stay "thoughtless" during my meditation/WILD. In my mind the two are so closely linked that it just seems right to combine them into one practice... I just haven't succeeded yet.

Shucks I need to go somewhere I'll speak later and correct my mistakes after I get back.

Cheers, talk soon. :)