Starting WILD, any tips? c:

I know it's not wise to change techniques too often, but at the rate I was going, I had no technique. So, I've decided to start with WILD. Ever since I started trying to LD, WILD was always the technique that appealed to me the most, but as a beginner, I decided to start with DILD, or at least attempt it. I had 2 LDs with DILD, and the other 3 were MILD. Those were the only two techniques that I had actually tried, but neither of them seemed to work for me. So, since WILD is a technique where it is different for everyone, I'm gonna give it a shot.

So, I'm just hoping for some people to give me some tips on how to stay aware, because I tend to fall asleep easy (I decided to use last night as a sort of practise and I fell asleep by accident...) I was trying to focus on small sounds without actually focusing too much.. so yeah, I don't know. Just need help :3

Also, anything like binaural beats ain't going to work for me 'cause I can't download them onto my iPod.

Thanks for the help in advance, and good luck to you as well c:

Oh, and would an easy way to enter a dream be to try to visualize something, or just go with what happens?

Visualizing works for some, less for others. But you should not pay too much attention to any sensations/HH. Entering WILD via visuals is just one of the possible methods. You don't always get the HH, sometimes other things present itself.

WILD (sageous) explains the whole process in great and easily understood details. Highly recommended. Happy dreams:alien:

To make a long story short, here are lots of links where I explain my experiences and combine it with some with scientific thoeries to make an attempt to both understand lucid dreaming and to make it effortless. Since it is my experience it can't be considered facual information, but merely an attempt of inspiration.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/muscle...elp%5D-139685/

In my personal experience with the theme of that post all I can say is that each night I 100 % sure that I will experience vivid dreams, but still knowing that because of the little science I can also be fairly sure that I will have a lucid dream.

This is not an attempt to make you use the method I am currently use, but rather my way of spreading the information of the aminergic system, which is a system of the brain that can be explained to govern critical thinking, and how this is both the oneironauts biggest enemy, but by getting to know it, befriend it and understanding it's ways it can also become your greatest ally and a oneironauts best friend.

I like this analogy because, the inventor of the method I am using, had stupid reasons for describing why it would work and he is very controversial to talk about on Dreamviews. Although when I tried it out it worked (3 times in a row in fact), so I was kind of making a deal with the devil.

But glorifying it by understanding the processes that made the method work, it feels like a gift from the angels. :flyaway:

Read it because it have helped a few people, but if it doesn't resonate with you, you can simply ignore it. ;)

But I hope it helps, because it is like the big brother of WBTBs.

Just because I think it's fun with analogies I will continue the one where I see the methods as a family.

The induction used on bedtime - Is the little brother, that is ignorant and haven't learned by his misstakes yet.
The induction used on a WBTB - Is the older brother that have just started to learn what the parents is trying to teach him.
The induction used on awakenings - is the oldest brother who is analyctical, rational and have both learned by his misstakes and also gone beyond his parents teaching.
(This is sort of like the stages you go through your lucid dream practise, so the oldest brother have gone through both what the little and older brother has, as well.)

Not to forget to mention the big sister! (Girls look at things quite differently than boys, sometimes it's just randomness, but sometimes it goes beyond things that aren't logical yet.
Whole perspectives of lucidity like awareness and intent, so the big sister would look at what each of her brothers method have in common and focus on that. To not make the thinking a sexism I can just say that logical, rational, part thinking is left brain oriented and random,revolutionary, whole perspective thinking is right brain oriented.

Back to topic!

So who is the parents? - Well lucid dreaming theory is, it try to teach you how to lucid dream but first you are ignorant and just want to do it your way! Usually on your bedtime, then you learn by your misstakes and realize that the WBTB is very effective, you don't understand exactly why though, and then the last brother is kind of selfish of me to put there but for me he represents the one who understand why the WBTB is effective and learns to develop an even better approach which makes lucid dream theory proud.

Ah yeah :shadewink: analogies are fun, and a good tool to gain understanding. ;)

Good luck and sweet dreams!

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Originally Posted by MasterMind

The induction used on bedtime - Is the little brother, that is ignorant and haven't learned by his misstakes yet.
The induction used on a WBTB - Is the older brother that have just started to learn what the parents is trying to teach him.
The induction used on awakenings - is the oldest brother who is analyctical, rational and have both learned by his misstakes and also gone beyond his parents teaching.
(This is sort of like the stages you go through your lucid dream practise, so the oldest brother have gone through both what the little and older brother has, as well.)

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I find your analogy both humorous and easier to understand, however i have one question. How would you define the difference between using the WILD technique " on a WBTB" and "on awakenings"? aren't they the same thing essentially? how are they different?

Good question Superadam051 and you are right they are essentially the same, there is one main difference though.

The WBTB (staying up after an awakening) deprives you from REM and then (hopefully) gives you a REM rebound.

A single awakening can't do this on it's own, however by waking up multiple times and thereby interrupting the sleep the same effect can be attained.

When I wrote this I praised awakenings more because I was using an awakening based induction.

But it all really comes down to preference.

Awakenings percieved in this kind of way is not something that is often mentioned when it comes to lucid dreaming, so that is why I jokingly said that this was the most wise brother that had gone beyond his parents, that is gone beyond lucid dreaming theory. :)

So you're saying that if I woke up multiple times through the night at separate times then I would have more of a chance to LD than if it happened once? Might be worth a go. So many techniques to try, so daunting because I've only just started. Even more because I have to try and suit myself rather than take techniques from others that might/might not work.

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Originally Posted by Superadam051

. Even more because I have to try and suit myself rather than take techniques from others that might/might not work.

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Exactly. Definitely take into consideration what everyone is telling you. but from my own experience, It will be through your own trial and error that you will learn what works for you.

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Originally Posted by MasterMind

A single awakening can't do this on it's own, however by waking up multiple times and thereby interrupting the sleep the same effect can be attained.

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Uh, well that's one technique I won't be trying again O_O I tried waking up multiple times last night and because I become awake very, very easily, quickly and i can't voluntarily get back to sleep without just losing it xD it was an entire night of sleeplessness, waking up every hour becoming more tired and helpless. Definitely not the one for me.

With WILDing I find it easier to lie back, repeat a tune through my head to stop all my thoughts and then slowly quieten that tune down until I’ve managed to relax my body into sleep and slow my thoughts too.

Then because I nearly always know what I want to WILD I’ve visualized it a lot and I’ll draw that thought up into my brain and think about it a few times, sometimes it’ll take a while for a dream to form this way for me and I find it simpler just to wait for an image to appear and form it into a dream myself.

Then I just act like any normal lucid, stabilise if I feel myself loosing grasp of the dream and just do what I want.

Hopefully it’ll work for you too. :) Some people find it easier to start WILDing with Binaural beats or pink noise running from headphones so if you struggle you could try that? It also might be a good idea to just practice getting into the habit of sending your body to sleep whilst keeping your mind awake. I’ve found the more you do it the easier it is when you want to dream.

Good luck! :)

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Originally Posted by Wishfulthinker

Hopefully it’ll work for you too. :) Some people find it easier to start WILDing with Binaural beats or pink noise running from headphones so if you struggle you could try that? It also might be a good idea to just practice getting into the habit of sending your body to sleep whilst keeping your mind awake. I’ve found the more you do it the easier it is when you want to dream.
Good luck! :)

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I definitely agree with practice (in this case) makes perfect and I have previously tried Binaural beats but i don't have headphones, i only have a headset xD and i can't get to sleep comfortably with those on at all where they are so big. What do you mean by pink noise? I'm sure i'll get results sometime it's just waiting for the right moment

I use the SleepStream app on my phone and it has a section called pink noise. It's basically the sound of static and is similar to white noise but whereas the frequency of white noise stays the same the frequency of pink noise gradually starts to lower over time.

It's explained here Forget white noise. 'Pink noise' will help you sleep better - The Body Odd and it's quite useful. :)

That sucks about your headset. They ARE awkward to try this with. :s You could always try playing it through speakers?

You will get results. If you approach a task with a confident mindset you're statistically more likely to succeed.

Finally, good luck to you as well! I'm sure you'll have some really interesting dreams. :)

I find being well rested helps me with WILDing. I'll take a nap during the day and force sleep again that night at around 10pm by taking half a xanax. I'll sleep deeply until around 4am, my cat is usually prowling around at this time so i'll let him out, get a drink and go back to bed. My mind will be wide awake but my body will happily go back to sleep or into a very relaxed state and I usually will feel intense vibrations within a minute of lying back down. When I separate I feel so awake I feel like I physically got up off my bed but can see myself lying in bed with my son sleeping beside me.

I will also keep repeating the dream in my mind as I re-enter my body to help me recall it, then i'll force myself awake to scribble it down so i'll still remember it in the morning. Good luck with it, it's the best fun ever and comes more and more easily the more practice you get when you find the method that works for you.

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Originally Posted by fizz

I find being well rested helps me with WILDing. I'll take a nap during the day and force sleep again that night at around 10pm by taking half a xanax.

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Seems sensible enough, but I have that problem that I can't take naps xD but I think I will take your hint at being more relaxed, because I've been beginning to notice that I'm rather restless when I'm trying to sleep. I don't know exactly how I'm going to do this, but I think I'll figure something out c:

Thanks everyone for the help and tips, most of them were really helpful c:

Good luck to you, and happy dreaming ♥