I've had several successf WILDs, but I've never had hynagogic imagery. Not even once. Am I retarded?

Hi dreamviews, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I've had 80+ WILD attempts: from WBTB, to sleep deprivation, to sitting in chairs, none of my WILD attempts ever seem to give me hynagogic imagery, ever. I guess you could count the vaguely distinguishable black dots in the blackness of my closed eyelids as hynagogic imagery - if adding 5 pixel sized black dots counts. Am I doing something wrong? Is it because I play video games?

I get hynagogic hallucinations, though, just no imagery. It's so bad for me that I consider almost getting level 1 closed eye hallucination hynagogic imagery. I see no light spots or anything. I'm seriously wondering if I'm mentally impaired.
Is this normal, or am I just doing something wrong?

If you get Lucid Dreams trought WIlD why do you mind if you don't see hypnagogic imagery? I think that if WILD works for you, u should use it even if you don't get hypnagogic imagery. I don't know if you are doing something wrong but I can say that video games does not affect Lucid Dreaming (in your case WILD) in any bad way, sometimes video games help.

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Originally Posted by ravanoos

If you get Lucid Dreams trought WIlD why do you mind if you don't see hypnagogic imagery? I think that if WILD works for you, u should use it even if you don't get hypnagogic imagery. I don't know if you are doing something wrong but I can say that video games does not affect Lucid Dreaming (in your case WILD) in any bad way, sometimes video games help.

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It's just that I see all these post about people getting these magnificent and beautiful images as they fall asleep while I'm stuck with the boring canvas of blackness. I guess I'm just a bit jealous, but hynagogic imagery sounds so cool.

I would be grateful, dude, I could only do WILD twice and now it does not work ever. :3

Well, if you makes you feel better I do not have too entertining hypnagogic imagenry. Anyway even if I had I just wait for them to pass so I can start adventuring in a dream. A

So far, I only got real hypnagogic 'imagery' if I somehow focused more on the hypnagogia. Like, patterns and that kind of thing.
I do get normal visual hallucinations while going to bed, though. After lying down with my eyes closed for about 5-10 minutes, I notice my view becomes more black, and greenish colour starts to float about in my vision. The very few times I managed to semi-successfully pull of a WILD (read: once), no special imagery occurred. All that happened was that whatever my mind was thinking about became more 'visible', and turned into the dreamscape.

Well, silly me, this morning I had some hypnagogic imagery and I didnt knew what it was. I woke up but I wasnt fully woke up if you know what I mean so I was in the same state I am when I succed WILD-ing but I was so sleepy that I didnt realised it. I tried to manipulate it instead of just watching it and finally completley woke up. I`m so mad at me right now.

I havr some patterns, like blue greenish lines and spots, but never full images, except in my last WILD attempt. I was in the middle of this ILD and I got imagery of my falling 3 times. Every time it jolts me, like when you fall asleep but suddenly jolt and the wake up. They where more like daydreaming, but I didn't control them at all or summon them. They just came

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Originally Posted by LouaiB

I havr some patterns, like blue greenish lines and spots, but never full images, except in my last WILD attempt. I was in the middle of this ILD and I got imagery of my falling 3 times. Every time it jolts me, like when you fall asleep but suddenly jolt and the wake up. They where more like daydreaming, but I didn't control them at all or summon them. They just came

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This is really close to what I experience - minus the color. But the images aren't actually there, it's more of like a feeling of an image, not an actual image. And it'll usually jolt me too. Also, my most common hynagogic hallucination is a falling sensation.

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Originally Posted by 1stdreamer

This is really close to what I experience - minus the color. But the images aren't actually there, it's more of like a feeling of an image, not an actual image. And it'll usually jolt me too. Also, my most common hynagogic hallucination is a falling sensation.

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What do those jolts mean? Are we getting close to a successful WILD? Can we make use of them?

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Originally Posted by LouaiB

What do those jolts mean? Are we getting close to a successful WILD? Can we make use of them?

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We can, kind of. Just try not to let the jolt bother you too much, it usually means you're really close. Once I get a jolt I try to raise my awareness slightly and take a small note of it. The dream usually starts only five minutes or so after it.

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Originally Posted by 1stdreamer

We can, kind of. Just try not to let the jolt bother you too much, it usually means you're really close. Once I get a jolt I try to raise my awareness slightly and take a small note of it. The dream usually starts only five minutes or so after it.

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Now that's good news:happyme:

If by "jolt" you mean the hypnic jerk, that is just something that we can have as falling asleep. It's not indicative of a dream or lucid dream.

You can have any or no HH, and still enter LD. No two transitions are the same. I can go weeks with only images, then weeks with only falling sensations, then only vibrations, then mix of any of them... Not sure why or what controlls the HH we experience, what draws them out. I suggest to just use the one you have at the moment.

You can see more info here http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

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Originally Posted by gab

If by "jolt" you mean the hypnic jerk, that is just something that we can have as falling asleep. It's not indicative of a dream or lucid dream.

You can have any or no HH, and still enter LD. No two transitions are the same. I can go weeks with only images, then weeks with only falling sensations, then only vibrations, then mix of any of them... Not sure why or what controlls the HH we experience, what draws them out. I suggest to just use the one you have at the moment.

You can see more info here http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

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Hypnic jerk? don' know what that means. Well, it's like when you dream of falling, but you wake up jumping from your bed. Same thing, but at the start of dreaming and a trip or slip. Don't know if only I have them.

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Originally Posted by LouaiB

Hypnic jerk? don' know what that means. Well, it's like when you dream of falling, but you wake up jumping from your bed. Same thing, but at the start of dreaming and a trip or slip. Don't know if only I have them.

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That is a hypnic jerk.

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Originally Posted by gab

That is a hypnic jerk.

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Yes! Thanx:)
Those are what I sometimes have during my WILD. I would be fully conscious, but it kinda ruins my WILD attempt:(

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Originally Posted by gab

If by "jolt" you mean the hypnic jerk, that is just something that we can have as falling asleep. It's not indicative of a dream or lucid dream.

You can have any or no HH, and still enter LD. No two transitions are the same. I can go weeks with only images, then weeks with only falling sensations, then only vibrations, then mix of any of them... Not sure why or what controlls the HH we experience, what draws them out. I suggest to just use the one you have at the moment.

You can see more info here http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

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Yay! Gab replied to my thread :D

But on a serious note I know that you could enter a lucid dream without HH, but I've never heard of anyone who has never ever experienced any imagery ever during an attempted WILD after such a large amount of attempted WILDs, even you've experienced it before. You make a really good point by mentioning how we're not sure what causes what type of HH, though. I guess I'll just wait in the darkness for my dreams to come to light... :(

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Originally Posted by 1stdreamer

Yay! Gab replied to my thread :D

But on a serious note I know that you could enter a lucid dream without HH, but I've never heard of anyone who has never ever experienced any imagery ever during an attempted WILD after such a large amount of attempted WILDs, even you've experienced it before. You make a really good point by mentioning how we're not sure what causes what type of HH, though. I guess I'll just wait in the darkness for my dreams to come to light... :(

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What I was trying to say, that if you wait for something specific to happen, you may lose your chance to a LD. Because that something may not happen. Best is to really not expect anything, but be ready for everything. It's like you would tell your mind "go ahead, surprise me".

So let's say you are waiting for images but they don't come and you don't enter LD thinking you have failed, because you never got to the point where you can enter LD. But what if because you waiting for one specific event, you don't notice other events, that may be more subtle. Like gentle vibrations. Or that you can suddenly see your room. Or just a feeling that you are floating. Or you don't even attempt some motionless RCs that would prove, that you are already in a dream, only you didn't notice.

Entering into LD through dreamscapes/visual HH is only one type of possible entry into LD. Stay aware and be passively observing every possible option that can happen. Good luck and happy dreams:alien:

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Originally Posted by gab

If by "jolt" you mean the hypnic jerk, that is just something that we can have as falling asleep. It's not indicative of a dream or lucid dream.

You can have any or no HH, and still enter LD. No two transitions are the same. I can go weeks with only images, then weeks with only falling sensations, then only vibrations, then mix of any of them... Not sure why or what controlls the HH we experience, what draws them out. I suggest to just use the one you have at the moment.

You can see more info here http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

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It doesn't show the onset of a dream, but it must indicate that I reached a good phase in the dive. I know it doesn't matter because any phase may vary differently in each attempt, but at least...uhm... Ok, it doesn't matter. Thnx, nice knowing what it is. I am currently attempting WILD. I asked Sageous like a hundred questions. I'm pretty sure I raised his blood pressure lol. He is a very nice man, that helped me greatly:D.
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