WILD and REM

[Native Dreamer]

So I tried to wbtb, wild again the other night and got a sp-like numbness. The thing that stuck out was that after being in that state for several moments was that I lost control of my eyes. They kept moving left and right at a rapid speed. I was fully aware but I could not control my eyes. What was this? My first thought as this was happening was a waking REM cycle as I was wilding, but I was not sure if that made sense. I could not find a thread addressing this exactly in the context of WILD.

[dmonk09]

rem = rapid eye movment I am guessing that is exactly what you were experiencing, it happens everynight while we sleep so no worrys. Sounds like you were close though, numbness then you entered rem both lead to a LD especially if you are aware of it all. So whatever you did that attempt try again except stick with it. I know i've seen people this discussed in other topics as how to avoid becoming to awake from yours eyes, you are justs going to have to search or hope someone more knowledgeable posts in here

[Native Dreamer]

Thanks a lot man, ugh I was close. I didn't get any images or anything, but it's comforting to know I'm on the right track. ---- If this can give anyone a view of what I experienced: I forgot to mention that while laying there I started to feel 3 spiders crawl across my cheek into my ear. It is spider season over here and there are at least 3-4 around the house every day. I'm not afraid of them, but I don't want them crawling on me so I was about to signal my hand to just wipe them away when I realized this could be a mental trick, it could be a tactile HH or something and my mind could be testing me. The urge to wipe them off was strong because we actually have had poisonous spiders wander into the house before, but I waited it out it was very uncomfortable, then the sensations stopped, the numbness came (Not paralyzation) and my eyes started moving uncontrollably, It I started looking into the darkness of my eye lids I must have focused to much because it all stopped . I move after awhile RC, roll over and just sleep. ---- I've tried V-wild and all that, but no dream scene forms after I get the REM stage, am i supposed to just remain in my unfocused attention until one forms? or maybe it's the fact that my wbtb is not at the right time? Confusion!