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Wilding is very easy if you don't think too much about it and if you bare with the hh and vibrations. I usualy use vild and i usualy get an ld or a very vivid dream.My common visualization is that of me and my friends walking on a beach and talking. At some point i can control the hh and get incapsulated in a dream fairly easy.If you have any questions just ask.
How long do you usually have to wait for SP to kick in?
10-20 min. Sometimes i even don't feel it happen.
When you are attempting to WILD, when you are lying still and you have the massive urge to move your body, what do you do? Ignoring it is really hard.
do you have to sleep before attempting a WILD?
Well, i no longer get that urge to move but when i did i just concentrted at other things like thath buzz in your years or my breathing. That helped alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
No but if you try wilding when you go to bed you have to wayt for an hour and a half and you only get 10 min of lucidity in a very low ld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie_Ezz
It's best ot use wild after 5-6 hours of sleep.
Not if you are taking a nap. However, you must sleep before attempting to WILD when you go to bed. 4 or 5 hours is usually recommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzie_Ezz
In the last few days I've experienced the vibrations for the first time and have had a short LD from the WILD. The "problem" is just that the vibrations have come without me seeking them really, I've just laid down on the bed and after some time they came to me when I was only half-conscious. I would like to enter them more consciously, so I have more control.
I have found a way that makes it very easy for me to fall asleep now, after staying up some hours during WBTB. So since now have gotten rid with the falling asleep-problem, do you think the next step of doing a full-concious WILD will not be so far away? My last WILD came after using my new WBTB-method that I find to suit me.
When i want to be more counscious during wild i try vild or visualization Wild.
That keeps me more alert and conscious.
I had the same question. I have found that slow lazy conscious responses work best. Once I do this I have to be very careful b/c my transitions hit really quick after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
Slow lazy conscious responses? What do you mean by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hijo de la Luna
First I will start out with an old military slogan "fake it till ya make it". How does someone who is comfortably asleep move? Move like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
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I seem to get this thing during SP where it feels as if someone starts shaking my bed. Kinda cool, actually.
I am sure I had a WILD when I went to bed, and not nap. I wasn't very tired though.
I just don't get how to wild into a nap... SP comes easy, in a matter of minutes, but after that it's nothing. It doesn't matter how much I "forget" about it or focus on something else, I end up just lying there and waiting... and waiting... and waiting... and waiting some more... only to have nothing else happen. HI is also easy to get but anything past vibrations I just can't get into.
halp plz?
Does having ADHD have a large effect on being able to concously / within 2hours gp into SP?
Can you not be tired while trying a WILD? I know you need to stay conscious and everything but as long as you focus on staying conscious while also letting yourself sleep you should be okay right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
I think you have to be tired enough to sleep but awake enough to think. Does that make sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
So if you go to bed at a time where you are tired enough to sleep, but have the ability to stay conscious, you could WILD? Because everyone is saying to only do WILD on naps and WBTB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
Yeah I heard that too. I don't quite understand the logic, but its kinda true. I can only LD with WBTB. But then, what makes a nap so special?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
How do you stabilize yourself on the border of sleep/awake? How do you manage not to fall asleep or stay wide awake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klaudyw3
Okay, I've been attempting to WILD and am a bit confused.
When I do it, I'll begin to see and hear HI, and I'll know it's HI and I'll just sort of passively watch it, and wait for a dreamscene to create itself. But usually this never happens. Then, I'll start to get the trippy vibrations and pressure, as in transitioning into SP, right? So question is, when I get the vibrations, is that actually SP or the transition into SP still? Do I wait for them to end to visualize a dreamscape/"jump" into one, or get up? Or do I try these things during the vibrations?
Also, I have WILD'd (what I think is WILD anyway) twice in the past week; I'm pretty sure they started where I was just laying down, started to see HI, got into SP, then I sort of lost "conciousness" so to say, then I ended up waking up, like a false awakening, doing an RC on my hand, then going lucid immediately. I just want to make the transition into the dreamstate clearer for more vividness, I suppose.
I usually picture myself rubbing my hands, then I transistion from thinking about doing it to actually doing it - never focus too much on SP either, or it'll stall you from falling asleep. I was fully aware about going from being awake to being in a dream, and it was like looking at a black and white 2D person then color appeared and it went blurry and 3D, and got stronger. I had this sinking feeling as I went into the dream... almost orgasmic. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by llaamaface
Also, it took me 4 days before I realized that focusing on SP does nothing to help. I learned the hard way.
That makes me want to WILD that much more :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
Its the best way I could explain it. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
So I tried WILD... I got some small HI but didn't enter SP. The only problem I have is that my mind ends up thinking on one thing too long and I feel asleep. Any tips to keep myself awake so I don't drift off into sleep? Should I count my breaths? Because that's what i've been hearing. What other methods do you use?
1. When you hit SP, keep telling youself "I am in a dream" or "I am lucid". Sometimes I also tell myself to "look at your watch" and when I am asleep I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
2. Yep, focus on breathing. Works too.
3. I talk to myself sometimes. For instance I might think "Oh, that was funny talking to Conzo. I wonder if I'll see him in a shared dream tonight" or "Damn, that guy on the bus was weird. Maybe he will be gone tomorrow". Just those sort of random thoughts as if you are recounting your day.
Unrelated :HOLY SHIT I SWEAR I HAVE WRITTEN THIS POST BEFORE
[QUOTE]Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf... almost orgasmic.
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Originally Posted by Conzo
Haha, but thanks a lot Loaf, that really helps! I guess I just should focus more on the dreaming aspect, rather then my physical body, in SP?
Maybe you wrote it in a dream :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
I"m curious too about why a nap is so special and does not need us to go through REM sleep and such.
The best I've had in WILDS is REALLY realistic HI... but I've waited for an hour, seeing this amazing HI, but never being able to get into the dream... I think I'm doin somethin wrong, but not sure. I guess I don't really try to WILD too much because it always causes me sleepless nights/drowsiness/wasted time :(
When you see HI you are urged to gaze it it and let it pass, rather than focus on it too much. Or try spinning it around.
As for the REM. Apparently so many hours after you wake up there is still some REM there or something, which is what is used for naps. Could someone explain it better than me? :P
I can never get even to SP. I get mild HI before I get to SP but I always end up falling asleep into a non-lucid dream. I guess I need to find a way to keep myself aware and not fall asleep? I try counting my breaths but I end up getting bored of it then stop and end up drifting to sleep. Any other methods of staying aware while trying to get to SP?
On the good side, my WILD didn't work but at least I had my longest dream recall I've ever had this afternoon!:boogie:
I know what you are saying. Last night are went to do a WBTB and thought to myself "I am dreaming" but I forgot about it and fell asleep. On the 3rd try it worked. Persistence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
I seem to be affected by Murphy's Law of WILDing. Anything that can go wrong will. Phone calls, Sleeping, People talking to me, Anything.
Sigh, I fail at WILDs.
My theory is that when I was young, I would frequently (Several times a night) Feel the vibrations that people describe as the onset of SP. (This is actually what got me into lucid dreaming) Anyways, being the clueless four year old I was, I had many crazy theories to what they were. Earthquakes, Aliens, Me going crazy... But I was scared of them. I found it very uncomfortable, and eventually learned to stop them, by moving, opening my eyes, whatever. After a while it stopped completely. Since then, I've only experienced It a few times, intentionally. Is there any way that I could have a mental block/ And don't tell me that the vibrations are normal, and that they're nothing to be afraid of, I know that. I want to know if anybody else has had similar experiences, or how I should beat this.
Ehh, Sorry about my life story guys :chuckle:, but I really want to WILD.
Gonna have a pop at WILDing tonight. wish me luck guys!
One way I got into SP was to just let my mind wonder and have all these long extended thoughts but every so often reign it in and then just let it flow again. Unfortunately I got to excited in SP and woke up due to the intense vibrations, flashing lights and roaaring in my ears, kind of like being strapped to the top of a train going through a tunnel. The one time I have had a succesful WILD was by accident, and I was woken up about 5 seconds after by my rats having a fight :@
Hey there.
One question i have:
-Do you need the Dream Journal dream writing to WILD? In case you do can you explain why? I don't understand the need for one with the WILD technique. I mean, it's ok to register your succesful attempts but do you have to register the normal dreams everynight? Doesn't the fact that you enter consciously in a dream make you be more aware of what happens and spontaneously remember it when you wake up?
Approx. how long would you say it takes before you start seeing HI?
I try counting breaths and notice that if i only count my inhales that i go into this weird half awake phase and keep counting automatically,I can easily count to 200(400 breaths) even when I'm really,really tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conzo
This might be a long post and half off topic so bear with me.
As far as wilding during naps, my guess for why it works would be that it has to do with melatonin levels... because of your circadian rhythm you have two peaks of melatonin, one at night when you sleep and a weaker one in mid-afternoon. Thats why most people have a desire to nap in the afternoon and some cultures have siestas. If melatonin helps regulate the length of your rem cycle maybe that amount of melatonin in your body in the afternoon is more similar to what it would be after you have slept for several hours giving you a longer rem cycle? But thats just a guess, with just enough science to get me in serious trouble.
I also have some questions about wilding...
I always experience the sleep paralysis but run into a few problems. Whenever I feel the tingly sensation my body responds by tightening up all of the muscles in my body... its very strange. I have tried to just relax into it but usually it gets so distracting I become way too aware of my body and cannot actually fall asleep. It even led to a charlie horse recently, which baffled me because I thought SP was supposed to keep your muscles from moving? Anyone else had this happen? Because of this I have only had one successful WILD...
The other thing is I never experience HI, or at least I never see anything. I always hear things instead. Which is not neccesarily a problem but it doesnt give me a dream scene to fall into. The one time I did have a wild I just went from hearing music to a dream with no transition.
Anyway.
Lastly, a positive thing I have found is that even though the vast majority of my wild attempts have failed because I give up after 30+ minutes. They end up sort of succeeding, but more like a mild. I will try to wild, give up, and then go to sleep. Then 30 or so minutes later I will either wake up in real life in SP for about 10 seconds and then go straight into a lucid dream (almost like the Wild got delayed or something) or "wake up" (FA) in SP realize something is different and just get out of my bed in a lucid dream. Its strange, the attempt at wilding seems to work as a mild for me, making me have a FA in sleep paralysis.... Just last night this led to one of my best lucid dreams yet, but it wasn't really a WILD
Does this happen to anyone else?