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After a while of trying to do several other techniques, i think the only technique that i really want to do is WILD. SSILD has taught me that i should "let go" a little bit on my awareness, which further confirms my initial thoughts that i weren't sure of. My method is to use my anchor to dive into sleep with a small amount of awareness hanging. As i have observed before, i do the anchor until at some point illogical thoughts take over until later on i slip back into awareness.

The point that i might have figured out is that i should just do the anchor until i get into a dream, even if i lose awareness for some moments, i should get back into doing the anchor. As simple as that sounds, it took a long time to understand.

In other words based on my current thoughts: The WILDing process is just barely holding into awareness while "going to sleep"
I'll be trying this out from here on out based on this mentality. Whether or not WBTB will work to my favor is unknown. I got to end this long-practice and get this done once and for all.

So I've been trying WILDs lately after i came back to LDing from the month or 2 inactivity due to my finals. Hey at least I passed :chuckle:
This has been happening almost everytime since then. Here's last night's attempt (though I did get 2 DILDs later):

I lay down on the bed after my usual wbtb. I start visualizing the dream goal and repeating a mantra, like I usually do, but it seems I'm losing consciousness too early. I would just fall asleep into normal sleep. Sure sometimes my PM would wake me up, reminding me I was WILDing, but it's not like before when i would manage to at least dive to a point where I'm very close to the dream.

I think I might be not focusing enough on the dive?? Any help would be really appreciated.

^^ Definitely not enough focus, Louai, but it might be easy to fix.

That you got 2 DILD's anyway tells me that your head was in the right place for LD'ing, and you might just need to tweak the physical part of falling asleep a bit; something may have changed slightly for you physically, though, that requires an adjustment, as it could just be that you are a little too sleepy upon initially waking, and need a bit more time to shed a bit more of that sleepiness:

You say you "lay down on the bed after my usual wbtb." Perhaps you might consider changing that WBTB a bit, maybe by staying up a bit longer, and giving some extra thought to your upcoming WILD during your "up" time. Also, you might try a different mantra as well, just to give your mind something new on which to focus that might keep it better occupied.


Oh, and congrats on surviving your finals; always a good thing!

Thnx a lot! Knew you'd have good answers. I guess I'll stay awake more during the wbtb, but to be honest I was scared of staying too long bcz I'm getting insomnia lately. Must be cuz it's summer vacation now and I'm not working as hard as I did during the day compared to when I was still studying all the time.

Also I'll think of a new interesting mantra than just "I am WILDing". Also yeah I should be thinking more about my LD attempt during wbtb instead of just walking around listening to loud music :chuckle:

Had another case of accidentals today. Well i originally intended to WILD using my anchor but i don't know how i stayed aware through the most part.
With another case of accidentals, comes another case of RA. The same cringy feeling everytime before the thing kicks in and i have come to recognize it right before it even happens by now.

On today's episode, I didn't experience the annoying buzzing sound (THANKFULLY). I only experienced some gibberish whispering on my left ear, nothing more than that. That is until someone near my room shut the doors close and made my focus go another way. And this time, the sounds were coming and going repeatedly until they stopped. I think i had a non-ld after that. I tried to reality check during the experience, but my body felt heavy and i hesitated for some reason.

Like always, i forgot to roll over into a dream :wtf:

So what am i supposed to learn from this? And are external sounds even audible during SP/RA or was i hallucinating that door sound part? I would be glad if someone could tell me what i should do next to enter a dream, it sucks to be stuck at the last part of the whole technique like this.

:dreaming::dreaming: I managed a really good wbtb last night - very relaxed and clear - laid down to wild :) got just passed the very still opening out of my mind bit and soon after fell asleep ... seems I am having similar probs as others I think which is that my anchor is not strong enough to take me through to the point of no return;) - the main thing is " Dont give up" I am sure - Anyway just checking in :wink:

TDHXIII:

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Originally Posted by TDHXIII

Had another case of accidentals today. Well i originally intended to WILD using my anchor but i don't know how i stayed aware through the most part.
With another case of accidentals, comes another case of RA. The same cringy feeling everytime before the thing kicks in and i have come to recognize it right before it even happens by now.

On today's episode, I didn't experience the annoying buzzing sound (THANKFULLY). I only experienced some gibberish whispering on my left ear, nothing more than that. That is until someone near my room shut the doors close and made my focus go another way. And this time, the sounds were coming and going repeatedly until they stopped. I think i had a non-ld after that. I tried to reality check during the experience, but my body felt heavy and i hesitated for some reason.

Like always, i forgot to roll over into a dream

So what am i supposed to learn from this? And are external sounds even audible during SP/RA or was i hallucinating that door sound part? I would be glad if someone could tell me what i should do next to enter a dream, it sucks to be stuck at the last part of the whole technique like this.

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I think you will not be shocked to hear me say that what I think you are supposed to learn from this is this:

If you pay as little attention as possible to all that noise, you might find yourself in a dream without ever needing to remember to roll over into it. This goes for RA as well; come to think of it, it goes especially for RA, because if REM Atonia has truly set in, then you are already in REM, asleep, and ready to dream. Also, if you take the noise a bit less seriously, that distracting "cringy feeling" you experience will be less likely to happen.

So I think what you should do next, particularly if you feel like RA has ensued, is try to remember that the reason you are doing a WILD is to lucid dream, and not to experience all the noise. Try to keep your thoughts and attention focused on the dream, and not the stuff going on around you. If you can do that, and manage to stay calm, patient, and open to your coming dream, you might discover that you were never actually stuck on a last part of a technique, but were already hovering at the threshold to your dream only to deny yourself entry thanks to all those interesting distractions.

And yes, your hearing tends to work just find during sleep, so external sounds can be audible during dreaming.

Patience:

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Originally Posted by Patience108

:dreaming::dreaming: I managed a really good wbtb last night - very relaxed and clear - laid down to wild :) got just passed the very still opening out of my mind bit and soon after fell asleep ... seems I am having similar probs as others I think which is that my anchor is not strong enough to take me through to the point of no return;) - the main thing is " Dont give up" I am sure - Anyway just checking in :wink:

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Yes, the main thing is indeed "Don't give up," but you got me thinking about anchors as well:

I never liked the term "anchor," because it implies a great weight meant to hold you still; to keep you from moving in any direction, including toward the dream. As I look at all the discussions of anchors popping up on these forums over the last few months, I'm wondering if a new obstacle might have been accidentally added to the conventional wisdom defining the popular WILD process:

Your "anchor" during WILD should be something like a mantra: a mental corral that holds your self-awareness while keeping your attention focused on the upcoming dream, and not on the corral itself. What that anchor should not be is some physical or mental process that keeps you focused on it (the anchor), rather than on your self-awareness or the dream itself. But I have a feeling that that is exactly what it has become in the popular WILD process: the focal point of the process, rather than a tool for maintaining focus.

So, if your anchor has become just that -- an anchor holding you back from your dream -- you might consider trying something else, like a mantra that relates directly to your planned LD. If your anchor does hold you back, you will experience just what you did: a good, steady wait, where everything seems just fine, and then suddenly you have simply fallen asleep. This I think is because your anchor worked too well by holding you in one place, consciously, while your body went ahead and fell asleep without you.

I can't help but wonder if this currently spreading issue of falling asleep prematurely is not because anchors are "not strong enough to take me through to the point of no return," but are too strong, forcing dreamers to hold their attention on their anchors, rather than on the upcoming dream.

tl;dr for both posts: Don't let the process be the priority in your WILD's. Instead, always keep your self-awareness and the dream on the front burner, with the process being merely the tools used to keep the flame lit.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

TDHXIII:


I think you will not be shocked to hear me say that what I think you are supposed to learn from this is this:

If you pay as little attention as possible to all that noise, you might find yourself in a dream without ever needing to remember to roll over into it. This goes for RA as well; come to think of it, it goes especially for RA, because if REM Atonia has truly set in, then you are already in REM, asleep, and ready to dream. Also, if you take the noise a bit less seriously, that distracting "cringy feeling" you experience will be less likely to happen.

So I think what you should do next, particularly if you feel like RA has ensued, is try to remember that the reason you are doing a WILD is to lucid dream, and not to experience all the noise. Try to keep your thoughts and attention focused on the dream, and not the stuff going on around you. If you can do that, and manage to stay calm, patient, and open to your coming dream, you might discover that you were never actually stuck on a last part of a technique, but were already hovering at the threshold to your dream only to deny yourself entry thanks to all those interesting distractions.

And yes, your hearing tends to work just find during sleep, so external sounds can be audible during dreaming.

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Now that i cleared up the hard parts of WILD several times, i only have this transition thingy to do. As confused as i may be, it seems that i should pretty much ignore all the stuff that happens (until a dream forms in form of HI?). However it may be, it's going to be trial and error from here on out. Fingers crossed the next try will be the one i've been waiting for.

I'll play along and try to ignore the noise. Mainly by looking into the back of my eyelids or by counting. Let's see what happens..

Wild attempt in detail in my DJ
DILD and WILD, thanks SENSEI! - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Was reading the Pay Attention book before bed! Really pumped me up!
http://www.sageous.com/spa.html

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Originally Posted by TDHXIII

Now that i cleared up the hard parts of WILD several times, i only have this transition thingy to do. As confused as i may be, it seems that i should pretty much ignore all the stuff that happens (until a dream forms in form of HI?). However it may be, it's going to be trial and error from here on out. Fingers crossed the next try will be the one i've been waiting for.

I'll play along and try to ignore the noise. Mainly by looking into the back of my eyelids or by counting. Let's see what happens..

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Okay. I'm sensing that I'm not being taken seriously, but, regardless, I'll keep playing too:

WILD does not include a specific "transition thingy," TDHXIII;

WILD is by definition the entire transition from wake to sleep to dream. So the transition is the only "thingy" you ever had to do in the first place; if you can hold that thought in your head during a WILD dive, it might be most helpful!

I sincerely do hope that you are able to "play along and ignore the noise," but please keep in mind that I did not present the suggestion as some sort of abstract game, but rather to suggest that your complete attention to that noise -- and not to the dream, or your waking-life self-awareness -- was something you should perhaps temper, and replace with attention to the dream -- and your Self.

In my opinion, based on what you have been presenting you truly have not "cleared up the hard parts of WILD" by any measure. The "hard part" of WILD, indeed the only part of WILD, is the maintenance of your waking-life self-awareness while your body falls asleep -- which essentially defines that transition "thingy" you mention. In my opinion there are no other parts that matter, regardless of the weight all those meaningless distractions (like SP, vibrations, etc) might have been given in the tutorials.

I have a feeling that you are confused because the fog of all the noise (and the stuff to which so many WILD tutorials cling) has caused the real moment of WILD to elude you: WILD is nothing more than maintaining your waking-life self-awareness while your body falls asleep and enters a dream state... To apply assorted stages or parts to a process that by its nature has no stages is to complicate your quest for WILD to a point that might render it unobtainable.

And no, dreams do not "form(s) in form of HI." They form as a product of your unconscious producing full-blown dream scenarios for your conscious consumption. Dreams are by no means or definition a product of HI; HI is simply random imagery your mind produces as it hovers between the states of wake, sleep, and dream. Lucid dreaming is the presence of your waking-life consciousness in a dream; it is not the result of some process of other things happening, but rather LD'ing is the intrusion of a unique force (namely your waking-life consciousness) into a mental activity that otherwise happens all by itself every time you go to sleep.

Sorry if this is all a bit harsh, TDHXIII, but it's the only way I can think of to tell you that WILD (and LD'ing in general) is not the result of some specific process, but "WILD" simply defines the general transition of your waking-life self-awareness from wake to sleep to dream. It really is not a great idea to assume that there is a specific roadmap to all this, and after you've navigated the map you will come across a transition "thingy." The whole thing is a transition thingy, and if you try to break it up into a series of required steps that include events like HI or SP/RA that is followed by a WILD transition, you may be missing the whole point of the adventure.

So: Yes; try to play along and ignore the noise, but try also to have your efforts include more than proscribed process things like looking at the backs of your eyelids or counting. The WILD "wait" is about nothing more, or less, than maintaining your waking-life self-awareness as you fall asleep; try to understand that WILD is the transition, and not the final unit of a long progression, and you might find yourself more receptive to the dream when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay. I'm sensing that I'm not being taken seriously, but, regardless, I'll keep playing too:

WILD does not include a specific "transition thingy," TDHXIII;

WILD is by definition the entire transition from wake to sleep to dream. So the transition is the only "thingy" you ever had to do in the first place; if you can hold that thought in your head during a WILD dive, it might be most helpful!

I sincerely do hope that you are able to "play along and ignore the noise," but please keep in mind that I did not present the suggestion as some sort of abstract game, but rather to suggest that your complete attention to that noise -- and not to the dream, or your waking-life self-awareness -- was something you should perhaps temper, and replace with attention to the dream -- and your Self.

In my opinion, based on what you have been presenting you truly have not "cleared up the hard parts of WILD" by any measure. The "hard part" of WILD, indeed the only part of WILD, is the maintenance of your waking-life self-awareness while your body falls asleep -- which essentially defines that transition "thingy" you mention. In my opinion there are no other parts that matter, regardless of the weight all those meaningless distractions (like SP, vibrations, etc) might have been given in the tutorials.

I have a feeling that you are confused because the fog of all the noise (and the stuff to which so many WILD tutorials cling) has caused the real moment of WILD to elude you: WILD is nothing more than maintaining your waking-life self-awareness while your body falls asleep and enters a dream state... To apply assorted stages or parts to a process that by its nature has no stages is to complicate your quest for WILD to a point that might render it unobtainable.

And no, dreams do not "form(s) in form of HI." They form as a product of your unconscious producing full-blown dream scenarios for your conscious consumption. Dreams are by no means or definition a product of HI; HI is simply random imagery your mind produces as it hovers between the states of wake, sleep, and dream. Lucid dreaming is the presence of your waking-life consciousness in a dream; it is not the result of some process of other things happening, but rather LD'ing is the intrusion of a unique force (namely your waking-life consciousness) into a mental activity that otherwise happens all by itself every time you go to sleep.

Sorry if this is all a bit harsh, TDHXIII, but it's the only way I can think of to tell you that WILD (and LD'ing in general) is not the result of some specific process, but "WILD" simply defines the general transition of your waking-life self-awareness from wake to sleep to dream. It really is not a great idea to assume that there is a specific roadmap to all this, and after you've navigated the map you will come across a transition "thingy." The whole thing is a transition thingy, and if you try to break it up into a series of required steps that include events like HI or SP/RA that is followed by a WILD transition, you may be missing the whole point of the adventure.

So: Yes; try to play along and ignore the noise, but try also to have your efforts include more than proscribed process things like looking at the backs of your eyelids or counting. The WILD "wait" is about nothing more, or less, than maintaining your waking-life self-awareness as you fall asleep; try to understand that WILD is the transition, and not the final unit of a long progression, and you might find yourself more receptive to the dream when the time comes.

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First off, sorry if i looked like i was not taking you seriously, it's just the way i typed it up.

Most of what you said is indeed true, so it doesn't matter if it's harsh or not. The general mistake is that i've been cutting the process into pieces all this time, marking the first process from the moment i lay down until i reach RA as "Part1" and the rest as "Part2". That was done unintentionally though. I probably figured that if i cut it into parts, i'll be able to solve 1 part at a time, in which it turns out that i may be stuck because i've been placing too much weight on the process as it reaches the end. I made the process too technical and probably made it harder than it should be, and that's a bad habit of mine..

The thing that really helped me during my everlasting WILD practice is a change of mindset. After changing the way i looked at it, the beginning of the process became a lot easier than before. I have a lot of stuff in my mind about "what to do on RA/SP" so i'm not surprised if there are some things i'm missing regarding that.

Now with all what's said, i'll take the mindset of the process being only 1 objective to stay aware and sleep. I'll approach it with the same intention of falling asleep. Applying that, i will have to ignore the noise to do this successfuly. In other words, i should be going normally without caring about the noise.

I'll give this a shot when i get the chance, and let's hope i finish this mess.

I had a pretty weird experience last night trying to DEILD after a NLD. I ended up in both my dream body and my waking body. I also seemed to have much more control than normal over the dream as well (I was able to fling a annoying DC into space with the wave of my hand). I was trying to use my senses to pull myself more into the dream (I'm not sure if that's the best method or not but it seems to stabilize other lucids). Would that be a DEILD since I was in the dream and could use my senses? Or is it just the threshold of a DEILD since I could still feel my body? I'm guessing this it pretty subjective but it was a new experience and wasn't sure what to do or what it would be called.

Here's the dream:
I was at some lake house and standing near a boat. My buddy was there with me and I said we should take the boat out. He asked if I had ever driven it. I said 'no but I'm sure I could figure it out'. We stepped on the boat and the accelerator was in the back of it for some reason and we took off before we were ready. I yell 'woo hoo lets floor it!' and I smashed the accelerator lever down as far as it would go. It wasn't really going the fast. It seemed like it was pulling the boat down then it flipped next to a family. I got it right side up again and said 'maybe we should take it easy.' My buddy agreed and we went down to another lake house where there were some guys in there reading stories. Whole floor was covered in legos. I was a bit confused about it and one of the guys said they were going to sell the house. Still didn't make any sense so I went back outside. There was a guy there I didn't like and I just walked past him down the path. There was some other guys down the way who I knew and wanted to leave. They had a plane but couldn't fly it. I asked them if they want me to fly it. One of the guys asked if I had ever flown a plane and I said 'No, but I can operate anything! Flying sounds like fun!' They looked worried so I just left them hoping I could fly it later. I went back towards the second lake house and the guy I didn't like was still there and he said 'I blend; You smell'. Then I woke up. I tried to DEILD and got back into the same place but was in both my dream body and my waking body at the same time. It was weird. I saw that this lake house was in the side of a canyon and the whole take was too.I banished the guy I didn't like with the wave of my hand and he flew off into space and disappeared. I could see the boat I was driving was right down at the dock. It was hot in the canyon but there was a light breeze coming off the lake. I wanted to be only in my dream body so I picked up a hand full of red sand. It felt just like sand and I tried to look around more. The more senses I could use the better. I didn't do anything else but just trying to stabilize myself in the dream. This went on for about 5-10mins then someone slammed a door and I was completely pulled out of the dream back into my bed.

^^ Yes, that does sound like a DEILD, Zachlew; thanks for sharing!

Because LD's can occur when you are very close to a physical waking state, it is possible to feel your physical body during the dream. It can be annoying, and difficult to avoid or remedy because your body is so close to the end of its sleep cycle, and not very interested in going fully back to sleep. I did like your solution of using your senses; that might have gained you a couple of additional and interesting moments of lucidity.

Thanks Sageous!

It was a bit frustrating. I was hoping for more of just my dream body only but this was also this first time DEILD has done anything. Normally, I just end up in a NLD or I'm stuck awake. I'm going to have to try some more.

2.37am ( went to bed at 9 pm ) woke up and sat up for wbtb - after meditation mantras - speaking to my sub saying that we are one so help me be aware in my dreams ect -" smooth entry" - from wake to sleep with consciousness - some visualising of green fields with abridged to another place but imagining the water under the bridge is drying up so one could walk there where wild flowers are growing...Water all around tho, anyway

Set up for sleep at 3.45am - l lay on my back - for wild
at 5.11 woke up after LD - event noted ;

During Wild attempt I am very calm and really feel the transition to the still open space of ( what I think might be ) Delta/nrem - almost like I feel physically lifted to another space - it was more obvious than ever before - I thought for a bit I had gotten too interested in this transition as I seemed to lay there like this for quite a bit longer but consoled myself that I must wait and not turn over - it was still possible the dream was around the corner:) I muddle with a bit of Sild and played with imagining my dream scene of grassy green banks for a while - at some point I must have drift off as I cannot remember the transition I don't think. Oh yes I was feeling for my dream body a few times but dreamland has not kicked in yet -
Suddenly I am in the dream and doing something I am doing quite often in dreams and not so much in WL - Cleaning! scrubbing a carpet, I could see the stains on it and I was determined to get it clean - :) Something made me question myself and in an instance I know I am dreaming ;) !
I know my sleeping body is in bed and suddenly I felt that fact as I lay in bed but I know instinctively I can move my dream body and easily - excellent!

I sit up then stand up and begin walking away from my body, it feels great as I have been wanting todo this for a while now! I can feel the pull of my physical body so i know I need to get on with grounding myself into the dream - I rub my hands together and as I look down at my hands I get a glimpse at them although its dark and it makes me smile - the feeling of my hands rubbing together feels strangely soothing to me. I can still feel the pull so do some mantras ( something I wanted to try)
" Om mani pema hung " a few times
- I look and see a soft sphere of light coming gently from my body starting to light up the darkness as I say the mantra - It is delightful and I feel a deep happiness inside me
However I then find am back in my physical body in bed now delighted with the deild /oobe experience;)

Tried it today, but i did the mistake of trying it without needing sleep. To add up, my memory is very foggy around what actually happened but i'll try to piece it together.

This time, it's a nap attempt..
A while after eating lunch, i was browsing LD memes and pictures related to reality checks. I decided to lay down and do the technique. I decided to do my method straight away. After spending some time, i finally wandered away and into sleep. The point is, i remember closing in on the "noise" and reminding myself to ignore it this time. That's all i remember around then. Afterwards, i apparently was "still trying to do the technique" and then i went to the bathroom then came back to bed. I don't remember if i attempted it here or if i just went to sleep normally.

What i can make out of this is that i slept 2 times (?). I went to do the technique at 2, went to the bathroom then layed down again at 3:30, and now i woke up at 5:30.

The catch is that i have memory of 2 dreams, Non-LD and a very short LD. The Non-LD was rather long so i'll brush that one off. About the LD, i was in my room (don't remember being anywhere before that) with the lights open. I decided out of nowhere to reality check and the first one didnt work but i resorted into counting my fingers. Upon becoming lucid, the dream ended almost immediately. I don't usually get extremely short LD's. Too unstable?

Whether if it was a DILD, or if i just warped into a dream and reality checked instantly. I don't know. A weird experience though. I'll try again tomorrow.

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About the LD, i was in my room (don't remember being anywhere before that) with the lights open. I decided out of nowhere to reality check and the first one didnt work but i resorted into counting my fingers. Upon becoming lucid, the dream ended almost immediately. I don't usually get extremely short LD's. Too unstable?

Whether if it was a DILD, or if i just warped into a dream and reality checked instantly. I don't know. A weird experience though. I'll try again tomorrow.

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Yes, too unstable, I'd think, or maybe just too close to a waking-state (if you woke up when the dream ended, that is).

I'm thinking it was indeed a DILD, with that decision to RC coming perhaps not from nowhere, but from the early rumblings of your emerging self-awareness.

Next time!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Yes, too unstable, I'd think, or maybe just too close to a waking-state (if you woke up when the dream ended, that is).

I'm thinking it was indeed a DILD, with that decision to RC coming perhaps not from nowhere, but from the early rumblings of your emerging self-awareness.

Next time!

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I'm getting serious on my WBTB attempts starting today and hopefully i don't shut the alarm down and go back to sleep since it's a really good chance to WILD. I still have some doubts on whether or not that i'll be able to ignore the noise, but nonetheless i'll give it a shot. I only need to succeed once so that i'll get the method down on paper..

All this in mind, i'm gonna try this again!

Okay, another strange occurence but i blame myself for making a couple of mistakes.
Mistake: I didn't go to the bathroom during WBTB, thus i probably fell asleep too early.
Mistake: I didn't wake up after the dreams, so my memory is weak ATM.

Anyway
I slept and put up my alarm 5 hours later. Upon waking up, i turned it off and layed down and tried to WILD straight away. I don't know what happened after this, i might have fallen asleep or unconscious into random thoughts.

Again, my memory is all over the place but i will try to type down what i remember.
So the first thing is that i remember having a DILD and after that short but not extremely short LD i tried to DEILD. I don't remember the exact order of these events but adding up to my confusion is that i remember being in either RA or SP. I felt some wind blowing on my face and i felt a presence but i'm not sure if that presence was felt because i expected it or because i actually were in that state itself. Putting that aside, i was waiting for a dream to come and i quickly got impatient and tried to "snap into my dream body". I was laying on my back and so i slowly started to get my body up and it did work and put me into an LD.

This all is a complicated mess. Was it all a dream, or was i actually in RA/SP? Was that DILD the same dream that i got into when i got out of my body during RA/SP? Did i get into RA/SP from DEILD or from my WILD attempt?

So many questions, but i can't make sense out of what happened today. Interesting enough is that i had another DILD in which i randomly RC'd. I'll give it another shot and try to solve the above mistakes, i bet the confusion is because i lost my awareness here and there.

Again..

^^ Pretty cool stuff, TDHXIII; thanks for sharing!

I think that if you look at the whole thing as a single DILD, the mess might unwind a bit.

For instance, you didn't mention whether you knew you were waking up or not when you attempted the DEILD, and that is the one thing that should have been clear (you do need to be exiting a dream -- aka, waking up -- in order to DEILD). Also, the dream imagery seemed to be continuing a bit too clearly (there likely wouldn't be any wind blowing if you were waking up from a dream), so I have a feeling that you might have entered a moment of NREM, which you cleverly corrected with that decision to snap into your body.

So all in all it sounds like an interesting trip, but you managed to sidestep a WILD. However, your account doesn't too fraught with mistakes; indeed, I'd say you handled things pretty well!

I attempted to WILD a week ago or so, after I woke up early in the morning for no apparent reason. I got up and walked around, thought about a dream scene, what I'd do in the dream, etc, for about 15 minutes. Although I had a DILD the same day, the WILD attempt was a disaster. Maintaining awareness and falling asleep felt mutually exclusive that morning. Whenever my body relaxed and I started to fall asleep, my heart started to beat real fast and I had to start all over again. I'm not sure why. Whenever I relaxed I started to feel anxious. I think part of it was because I'm bit apprehensive about sleep paralysis. At one point I laid completely still for a good 15 minutes and nothing happened whatsoever. I eventuallly just let myself drift to sleep. I then had a DILD which is most certainly better than nothing :). As you've probably noticed I'm completely new to WILDs. I think I need to change my approach but I'm not sure to what.

^^ Welcome, Icebender!

I highly recommend that you take the DVA WILD class to which this thread is attached, as it might be helpful to you. Even if you do not, I suggest you at least look at the session about the noise, so you can see that sleep paralysis is something that you needn't even think about, much less be apprehensive about.

In any case, good luck!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Pretty cool stuff, TDHXIII; thanks for sharing!

I think that if you look at the whole thing as a single DILD, the mess might unwind a bit.

For instance, you didn't mention whether you knew you were waking up or not when you attempted the DEILD, and that is the one thing that should have been clear (you do need to be exiting a dream -- aka, waking up -- in order to DEILD). Also, the dream imagery seemed to be continuing a bit too clearly (there likely wouldn't be any wind blowing if you were waking up from a dream), so I have a feeling that you might have entered a moment of NREM, which you cleverly corrected with that decision to snap into your body.

So all in all it sounds like an interesting trip, but you managed to sidestep a WILD. However, your account doesn't too fraught with mistakes; indeed, I'd say you handled things pretty well!

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Well, depends on how you put it.
After all of this, i gotta say that it was quite the long road. It took me 3~4 months to get this close to performing a successful text-book-WILD, it's been a fun ride despite the countless struggles. With all that i learned, i know what i should do for now. I'm going to attempt this more, and i'll get it correctly as it should be.

I have run into some puzzling WILD attempt scenarios, but i've been seeing signs of success nonetheless. I'm going to polish things up from here on out.
And until i get another question on my mind, i'm going to go on ahead and finish this here!

I'm going for it no matter how many times it will take to succeed.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Welcome, Icebender!

I highly recommend that you take the DVA WILD class to which this thread is attached, as it might be helpful to you. Even if you do not, I suggest you at least look at the session about the noise, so you can see that sleep paralysis is something that you needn't even think about, much less be apprehensive about.

In any case, good luck!

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Thank you for your help, your link about SP gave me the courage to attempt to WILD once more :). The SP was barely noticeable, but boy, was I not ready for the sensations. I heard this ear-grating noise that sounded something like the chirps of crickets, but louder and kinda distorted. This weird shifting pattern of pink and green squares covered my vision, along with other random imagery (some images were coherent, others were just weird patterns). It was basically a sensory overload, I started to freak out and managed to move my hands to break SP.

I feel guilty for chickening out, especially because the link you provided me was talking about this. But, I've never gotten this far WILDing so I'm happy I've made progress! I'm planning on learning as much about WILDs as I can now. Once again I would like to say, thank you!

Deild after wbtb -
Laying on my back attempting wild- then after about an hour and falling asleep once or twice - turn over to sleep on side ( position needed changing)

After some time - I started to wake up from a NL and at the same time remember reading about this in other dreamers DJ accounts - scene changes...here could be one dream ending and one beginning - Jack pot !!!

So as the dream fades, I realised it, laying quiet and still went gently backover the last dream - feeling the dream quality - after pondering the dream for few moments things felt different ...it was Deild time ... I hold still and waited and watched for signs - some one shouted out some lylics ; a song was playing on a radio... then again and the instruments kicked in ( cool !)
I had my head down against some thing so i start to bring my head up and watch out for something in the darkness. I start to see other cars going by ,and know i am in a car in the back seat - I open the window, the car is full - with 2 in front and 2 in back I'm on the right in the back seat.The radio is on playing cool music.

Everything is super clear and I am in total awe ;) looking around taking scenery in ;) knowing I am dreaming and knowing it was a seamless thread from waking to dreaming!:D