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      Lucid Dreams ~ Deja-vu

      This is just a theory i had. When in a dream, you realize that you are having a dream and you wake up unless you learn to control your excitement, correct? One you learn to control it you can live through these "lucid dreams" while aware that it is in fact not real. When you experience deja-vu, everything after the moment you realize it is no longer part of what you have already seen. Therefore I believe that it may be possible to "control" yourself when you experience deja-vu so that you continue to experience things you remember from another time. Then eventually you may be able to remember what will happen in the next few seconds. It would be similar to reading the immediate future. Any thoughts?

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      P.S. I'm new to all this dream controlling stuff.

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      The common belief throughout many psychoanalysists is that deja-vu occurs when the individuals current surroundings remind them of a dream in which they wish to repress and forget due to uncomfortable empathy or ill-memories that is associated with the dream.

      It is also believed that it is induced by interruption of repression, when trying to forget a moment or thought and move on, and then immediately be hit with it again. It happens all the time to people, typically with short-term memory; at work, doing small tastks, looking for a movie to rent, shoppping, etc. So, when you move onto the next task, and you are suddenly, subconsciously, reminded of the previous task that you have forgotten due to the fact that it was only stored in short-term memory, it can cause a deja-vu feeling.

      Then, of course, people believe it is the feeling of being reminded of another plane of existance or the future.. etc.

      Although, I agree; lucid dreaming will help with control of deja-vu in both controlling it and extending it, or completely abolishing the feeling of deja-vu all together. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to tap into your memories and thoughts without any interruptions or external influences to disrupt your train of thoughts? It would be the perfect mind..

      Hope I've been enlightening.

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      O'nus gave you great info about déjà vu already, so I haven't more to add than:
      Welcome to the forum, MacD. :happygolucky:
      Are you dreaming?

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      i will change that definition.. I used to be a heavy dreamer, and the creepy part was, many of my dreams happen to come true (the non-lucid).

      I had a dream years ago about learning howto parallel park in a certain place.. a few days ago i did that in the same place. Now i felt the dejavu thing.. but however i remembered the dream, but had forgotten it over time.. i think deja-vu is not related to short-term memory, as i lack it. But rather it is stored somewhere in long-term memory, but hidden where it will surface when a certain event occours..

      This is how i used to do my dream recall.. i'd just walk around and remember i had a dream, and i would remember what the dream was.

      maybe i don't know, maybe i do. However, for certain people its different, but i have been able to predict what will happen in the next few seconds.. i had very advanced dream control at the time, but now.. i need to get back to it.

      Just got my dream recall back, soon will be controlling again.

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      I had a really weird experience with deja-vu. I was walking to school one day, and I crossed the street, and I thought I "remembered" doing this many times before. And I also had a strange feeling that I "had" this deja-vu before.

      Weird.

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      deja vue hits me all the time, and i never have a deja vue experience without having what i call 'double deja vue' (having dejavue about having dejavue), like what sunflower was talking about, sometimes this effect even triples. logically, i think that it is caused by an interruption in transmission of received information throught the braincells (that is, that moment is repeated in your mind because your brain thinks it didnt transmit it right the first time or something), but then i have had experiences where the deja vue triggers a memory of having a dream with that exact moment in it, and having knowledge of that dream moment during my waking life for a period of time after the dream. if anyone has any theory for this, or at least for the 'double deja vue' effect, i would love to learn more...

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      Or it could be a glitch in The Matrix!
      If this is their fate...Then so be it.

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      I like this theory, and I've had the same theory for a while now. Infact I typed "Deja Vu lucid dreams" into Google for the sole reason of finding results where people had suggested the same thing, so I'm glad I found this message as one of the results. And I am also glad that I've now found this web site.

      I agree with a lot of what has been said here. I have been having lucid dreams for as long as I can remember (back to at least 5 years of age, 24 years ago), but it wasn't until I was in my mid-teens that I started getting deja vu all the time (also, perhaps coincidentally, at the same stage that I was recording most dreams and having most lucid dreams). The last major deja vu (infact the most significant I have ever had) was near the end of 2000. I had had a theory for some years that only if I could use my dream recall skills to latch on to the deja vu and work forwards faster than things were happening around me, then I should be able to know what would happen next. The freaky thing is that in October 2000, I did just that. I actually got about 10 seconds ahead and knew what my then fiancee (now wife) would say to me next. I knew she would turn from where she was looking, turn to face me, and ask me a particular question ('Do you understand what he is saying?' was the question I had recalled). I sat there looking at her and for 2-3 seconds she didn't turn towards me and didn't say anything and for a moment I was disappointed, but then she turned to me and said exactly those words and it freaked me out and it has totally changed my opinion of what deja vu is. I talked to my fiancee afterwards about it and she said she noted how I was staring at her, which to me rules out some sort of timing misfunction in the brain because that scientific explanation doesn't account for the fact that she observed me staring at her before saying the words and I didn't turn to stare at her until I recalled that she would say the words, i.e. I must have recalled it before she said it. And I felt momentarily disappointed that she hadn't said it prior to her saying it. The current scientific explanations just don't fit.

      I'm not new to this dream control thing, as you put it, and I think you might be right. I think if you can learn to stay in that state then you can use your dream recall techniques to get ahead of what is happening.

      I might expand a little on your original idea and state it as: Deja Vu is to the waking world as Lucid Dreaming is to the sleeping world. You reach a level of consciousness (sometimes complete consciousness) within a lucid dream, and similarly I suggest that during a Deja Vu we reach a level of consciousness higher than normal waking consciousness. What the heck you'd call such a level of consciousness, I'm not sure. But try reading a book called 'The Holographic Universe' by Michael Talbot. There isn't much on lucid dreaming, and I don't think anything on deja vu, but it started me thinking about deja vu. What if our experience is similar to the head on a VCR or CD/DVD player, where the media is this holographic plate and we can sometimes lift off that media and reposition the head?

      Fairly weird I know, but someone has to start proposing something to explain my deja vu experience, and I havn't yet seen anything vaguely scientific (apart from this Holographic Universe book) that has started to fill the gaps. I like this holographic theory regarding the universe.

      For a long time I thought that deja vu was something from a dream coming true. I used to immediately say, 'Oh, I have dreamed this before'. But I have recorded a lot of dreams since then and I know what the difference between a dream seemingly coming true (which I can remember a couple of examples of) and a deja vu. A deja vu leaves you with the impression that whatever it was that you can remember matches exactly what is happening now in every detail. Dreams that come true don't tend to do that. There are always parts that are different. Infact dreams are so bizzarre in nature that almost any dream would not fit in reality at all if they were to come true. Stuff in dreams just doesn't make logic sense. A deja vu experience occurs during a perfectly logical and rational moment in the waking world and is highly unlikely to have ever happened in a dream.

      Just my thoughts on the topic (as you can see, I've though about this topic for a while).

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      shit thats awesome man. what kind of things were u focusing on in ur dreams that allowed u to remember that event before it happened? did you have that event recorded in a dream journal or something before it happened? my heavy de ja vue started in my early teens too, but i cant remember if i was having vivid dreams around that time or not. have u had much more proress with controlling ur dreams to 'see' the future?

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