Thread: Can you prove that we are equiped enough to Prove/Disprove Gods Existance?

Why would God not reveal Himself to us, to make others believe? Why did God only become known at the time it came about? Is it because it was an idea? You cannot disprove him because there is nothing there to prove to disprove.

The Bible seems to have given us information enough- The scientific method cannot prove him. Prove to me God exists, if you cannot prove something, then by all means, it must be fake.

Faith is unprovable, but is an opinion and cannot be used as proof. Faith is all you have.

and my other question?

The 'cavemen' had no proof on the matter, they assumed. Science doesn't assume, it proves.

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

The 'cavemen' had no proof on the matter, they assumed. Science doesn't assume, it proves.

Ha, you should see that guy who believes that god put fossils on the earth as a way to test our faith. Funny stuff

based on what?

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Ha, you should see that guy who believes that god put fossils on the earth as a way to test our faith. Funny stuff

Yeah. God is totally fucking with us.

"Got you guys. Just fucking around with the whole 'fossil' things. Pwned."

-God

Originally Posted by Keeper

based on what?

Cavemen were proven existence by the evidence of bones and even frozen corpses found in the ice fully preserved i believe so. Evidence is the one things that can prove the existence of something if you have enough evidence to back up your theory.

Originally Posted by Keeper

based on what?

What is that supposed to mean, based on what? The cavemen had nothing to base their idea on, as does Christianity. They both are wrong.

I know that God exists because I have seen bananas.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QGMuIyBK5P4

Good luck guys, your gonna be here for a while. *sarcasm strikes back!*

I'm only staying here because it... arouses me.

Actually, I'm satan and I need MOAR SOULLLS! MOARRR!

We can't prove or disprove any such thing. Any claims made, either by atheists, deists or theists are based on speculation, faith, or some other human-made concept. When an atheist says "the idea that an invisible man lurks in the sky and threatens to send you to hell where you'll burn forever, but he loves you, is ridiculous to me." it doesn't mean "I have proven it", it means "I have faith that there is no such thing", or at least, "I have faith that your PARTICULAR god is not the one, because [blah]".

Erhm, yeah, I tried to do that replicon. I didn't, to my knowledge, base anything in my claim on 'faith'. Asking why God hasn't shown himself, has no proof of him, are valid questions.

You cant say god doesnt exist same way as you can say he exists for now.

I have a theory about the universe, it might be complete fiction yet for me it makes so much sense. I belive that almost all complicated things in our world are systematic, as shown trough science. I can say that the universe is very complicated (I might be wrong), thus it is a system. If it is a system it works with many things tied to it. Wich means if this system would be destryed the cause should be external (out of the system). Wich can mean that a superior force (god as we call it) that is out of the system, thus out of our comprehention exists. This could also mean that the system got old, and that gives that external force a task to fix it or recreate it. That force is out of our universe, our system, and we try to understand it even if we still can't fully understand our own system.

We wont know anything about god (spiritual) untill we would know everything about our universe(material). Meanwhile people could choose to belive in things to make themselves feel better, or try to be more realistic as in our own time.

Originally Posted by Replicon

When an atheist says "the idea that an invisible man lurks in the sky and threatens to send you to hell where you'll burn forever, but he loves you, is ridiculous to me." it doesn't mean "I have proven it", it means "I have faith that there is no such thing", or at least, "I have faith that your PARTICULAR god is not the one, because [blah]".

No, that is not faith. That is logical reasoning. Faith does not depend on logical reasoning. The belief that a loving God would not work Hell for nonbelievers into his creation equation is based on the fact that the concept contradicts itself. Faith is about saying, "I have no logic or other proof, but I believe it any way."

Originally Posted by Nefarious

Wich means if this system would be destryed the cause should be external (out of the system). Wich can mean that a superior force (god as we call it) that is out of the system, thus out of our comprehention exists.

Why does that have to be a god?

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

Why would God not reveal Himself to us, to make others believe?

Everyone talks about proof that God does or doesn't exist. Well... Just out of curiosity, what is 'proof'?

What would you take as 'proof' that God(s) exists? (doesn't matter what religion.) What do you think other people would accept as proof, and what would you take as 'proof' that God does not exist?

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

The 'cavemen' had no proof on the matter, they assumed. Science doesn't assume, it proves.

I actually hate linking wikipedia because I know there are better sources out there but its the quickest to find. I thought you needed to learn about the processes behind scientific theory as quickly as possible so here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory. You should make note of the section on scientific assumptions.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, that is not faith. That is logical reasoning. Faith does not depend on logical reasoning. The belief that a loving God would not work Hell for nonbelievers into his creation equation is based on the fact that the concept contradicts itself. Faith is about saying, "I have no logic or other proof, but I believe it any way."

Well, it is fact that you can't disprove god (or santa or the tooth fairy), so if you make the statement "there is no god", there has to be some speculation. I guess "speculation" is a better term for it, if you don't like the f-word .

Originally Posted by Replicon

Well, it is fact that you can't disprove god (or santa or the tooth fairy), so if you make the statement "there is no god", there has to be some speculation. I guess "speculation" is a better term for it, if you don't like the f-word .

I can't prove that there is no god. But I do think I can prove that the Christian God does not exist. I think he is a self-contradicting concept. If there were a religion based on the idea of an elf that has infinite love for rabbits and that puts rabbits in holes by the billions and blows them up with dynamite, I would say that such a concept contradicts itself and that therefore there is no such thing as that elf. But just proving that elves don't exist is very different. I can't prove that. But I would say that the idea is extremely far fetched and that I don't believe it.

It's true, there's definitely self-contradictory pieces. My favourite one involves the free will/omnipotence contradiction. "Can God create a person whose actions he can't control?" If he can, then he can't control his actions, which means he's not omnipotent. If he can't, then that's a limitation, hence he is not omnipotent. While you can try to argue that he CAN, but he DOESN'T, most religious faiths hold that we do have free will.

Mabey god is just some 4-d creature who stubled across us, and stayed for a while to be worshipped by us. He doesn't have to be the creator of the universe, just the creator of the univers to us. That could explain it (im being completely serious, btw)

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I can't prove that there is no god. But I do think I can prove that the Christian God does not exist. I think he is a self-contradicting concept. If there were a religion based on the idea of an elf that has infinite love for rabbits and that puts rabbits in holes by the billions and blows them up with dynamite, I would say that such a concept contradicts itself and that therefore there is no such thing as that elf. But just proving that elves don't exist is very different. I can't prove that. But I would say that the idea is extremely far fetched and that I don't believe it.

that I can agree with. However, there are two things to consider: An Elf who thinks like a Human wouldn't, but would an elf be like us?

Second, the hole blowing up rabbits/sending people to hell is not in the Bible. People just think it is.

Hell, in the sense of "burning eternally" is just a scare tactic used to claim the bottom of the barrel as well .

Hell is actually a Pagan concept introduced into "christianity" for many reasons. However, the Lake of Fire is real. And no, it is not burning forever.